I have only pirated those Doctor Who video games because I don't live in the UK, it really isn't pirating since there free in the UK, and I don't want to pay 15 bucks for a game I beat in like 30 minutes. :v:
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37186429]How is it unfair? If they wanted it to be "fair" that way, then they would sell you the game on the basis that it stops working after the first completion.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't take it that far. You're kinda hitting a slippery slope there. Though developers are acting on this. They don't want second hand sales, so they introduce downsides to it. The CD-Key systems that tie your game to your hardware, or Steam/ origin account. The online passes that stop you accessing the main feature of the games that use them until you throw the developer some money, etc. They don't want to utterly kill the game for someone who did buy it, but they don't want you to have free reign to discourage new purchases.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;37186509]I wouldn't take it that far. You're kinda hitting a slippery slope there. Though developers are acting on this. They don't want second hand sales, so they introduce downsides to it. The CD-Key systems that tie your game to your hardware, or Steam/ origin account. The online passes that stop you accessing the main feature of the games that use them until you throw the developer some money, etc. They don't want to utterly kill the game for someone who did buy it, but they don't want you to have free reign to discourage new purchases.[/QUOTE]
None of those methods you mentioned actually stop you from letting a friend playing the game.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37186591]None of those methods you mentioned actually stop you from letting a friend playing the game.[/QUOTE]
Well no. But it stops you from just giving the game to a friend, which is kind of what I got from your post (somehow).
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;37186327]This is a gray area. Developers don't want you buying a game and lending it to all your friends to complete. Neither do they want it circulating through the used games market because once again only one purchase was made but many are benefiting. It isn't exactly what I would call fair for them.
I'd say the main difference is they're still guaranteed sales because everyone does this, it just occurs on a small scale. But for piracy, only one person needs to purchase the game and can make it available everyone on the planet with an internet connection.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that most PC games only allow one install per Registration key (Didn't see that Hex had already said this), but either way you're still right.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;37186466]Ratings are disabled sub-forum wide. You don't need them in MD. You should be arguing with your points, not your 16px*16px icons.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that I was disappointed they weren't there, I was simply curious as to whether my FP was bugged for whatever reason or not.
The only reason I would pirate a game is to see if my computer can run it. For instance, I did this with Borderlands, because I love the game, I saw if it could run, and bought it. I pirate games for the sole purpose of trying before you buy, and if there is a demo, I'll go download it, but if there isn't one, I'll typically pirate it. As soon as I can see if it runs on my cruddy computer, I'll delete it, and actually buy the game. And if you say to use the SYRI thing, it doesn't recognize my video card, which basically says I can't run anything. If it did work, I would use it, but it doesn't work.
Isn't it commonplace for a company to state in their terms and conditions that you don't own a copy of their software but are paying for a licence to use it? In that licence is the restriction of making unauthorised copies.
[QUOTE=Xtrememan;37189783]The only reason I would pirate a game is to see if my computer can run it. For instance, I did this with Borderlands, because I love the game, I saw if it could run, and bought it. I pirate games for the sole purpose of trying before you buy, and if there is a demo, I'll go download it, but if there isn't one, I'll typically pirate it. As soon as I can see if it runs on my cruddy computer, I'll delete it, and actually buy the game. And if you say to use the SYRI thing, it doesn't recognize my video card, which basically says I can't run anything. If it did work, I would use it, but it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean I've just now bought GTA IV as I got it too a good FPS. So, thanks to piracy, I can now enjoy GTA IV!
If game companies want to stop piracy, they should drop their DRMs and include clever options, normally only for buyers (like multiplayer). DRMs get cracked and often cause trouble to the customers.
(TF2 before F2P)
[QUOTE=krosos8;37195076]If game companies want to stop piracy, they should drop their DRMs and include clever options, normally only for buyers (like multiplayer). DRMs get cracked and often cause trouble to the customers.
(TF2 before F2P)[/QUOTE]
Dropping DRM doesn't solve the issue. Piracy still runs rampant with nothing to impede it. Though it does make it nicer for the paying customers. A lot of these games with no DRM are very niche games, that wouldn't sell well otherwise. Of course they aren't going to have as much piracy when the community that plays that game actually give a fuck. For a AAA game, dropping DRM would be a near death sentence for that product.
Instead companies need to focus on the cause of the piracy, as people keep pointing out, Gabe had it right, it's a service issue. Valve games get pirated a ton, sure, but they sell a lot more too because the games are worth it. As do games from publishers like THQ, which don't sell great, but aren't pirated to all hell compared to say, Call of Duty. If you provide something people want they will be less inclined to pirate it. But pirating it just shows the company you want whatever crap they feel like pushing out, they don't care if you pay or not when counting numbers like that. If you want better games, stop buying ones you don't want, and stop pirating ones you don't buy. If you want to boycott a company, do it right by not touching their product, piracy doesn't help at all and just fucks us paying customers over more and more. You aren't entitled to the game, stop acting like it.
The only real way to try to prevent piracy is to provide a better service than the pirates. You can't really prevent it, there are always going to be people who don't want to-or can't-pay, and there are guys out there who crack games for fun. The only thing you can do is give people as little a reason to pirate it as possible, because if they were going to pirate it either way, you can't stop them, but people who would pay for the game are driven away by things like Ubisoft's oppressive always-online drm that screws over the paying consumer while the pirates can download it and play instantly. DRM is useless because people will remove it, it only works if you have a legitimate copy of the game. Companies need to focus on making their anti-piracy measures less of an issue and focus on making it easier to play the games, not harder, because people WILL crack it, and when they do, more people will pirate it if the game has shit drm.
Usually, I say to myself that I'm going to try a game and then buy it when I can afford spending money on it. But this doesn't always happen and I never buy the game.
When it does happen, its usually thanks to Steam. I bought Skyrim because of the updates and the workshop. I bought Portal 2 because of co-op, updates, and because I'm a big fan of valve. Same would apply to skyrim, im a fan of Bethesda aswell.
So I end up buying games I have pirated simply because of the service that comes with it.
i pirate games i would never buy anyway, then feel good about myself because i saved 60€ for a shit game (Hello MW3)
valve games are reasonably priced because they actualy understand the consumer
that being said, ive "pirated" ea games, and by "" i mean, ive bought the damn game, played it for a while, then later on i installed it and their DRM locked me out, so i go and get a pirated copy.
for example, all the command and conquer games. EA put too much drm on the new games
steam games where they are like 9.99-15ish are good priced, i refuse to pay anything over 20
I pirate games, music and television shows not under the guise that I somehow have a correct moral reasoning for an ethical question. I know what I'm doing is illegal and while its a small impact, I still make a dent in those sales.
So I'm not going to sit here and fool myself that I have some grand good reason for doing this. I do it because I don't wanna buy this shit.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37360462]I pirate games, music and television shows not under the guise that I somehow have a correct moral reasoning for an ethical question. I know what I'm doing is illegal and while its a small impact, I still make a dent in those sales.
So I'm not going to sit here and fool myself that I have some grand good reason for doing this. I do it because I don't wanna buy this shit.[/QUOTE]
TV shows are not for sale, you can get a subscription, or a season DVD pack or something but that's it
i tried buying a season of house on itunes some years ago and it wasnt available for my country, so fuck that, time to hit the torrents
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37371337]TV shows are not for sale, you can get a subscription, or a season DVD pack or something but that's it
i tried buying a season of house on itunes some years ago and it wasnt available for my country, so fuck that, time to hit the torrents[/QUOTE]
If something like TV shows would show at the same time, world wide, on a live stream, that would be wicked. There would be commercials, but at least the show would be available worldwide.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37371337]TV shows are not for sale, you can get a subscription, or a season DVD pack or something but that's it
i tried buying a season of house on itunes some years ago and it wasnt available for my country, so fuck that, time to hit the torrents[/QUOTE]
I think removing region locking would actually help alleviate some of these issues because when it comes down to it, a fourth of the piracy comes for people who don't have access in their nation to said show, game or music.
Depends. If I'm trying out a new series of games or a genre I will most likely pirate a game to try it out for abit and then buy it through Steam/Online. As a student I don't have alot of money to throw at games.
I use piracy just for trying it, yeah. If I like the company, then yes I will buy immediately. But if it's a company I can't give my full trust, hi ea, I like to try out the game before I dive headfirst into a current of shit. This is how I decided to buy Mirror's Edge.
I've never pirated a game in my life.
but I have never heard a coherent argument that piracy is bad in cases where it doesn't equate to lost sales.
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;36734188]You don't need the game. It's not like you have to pirate it. You want the game but you're not going to pay for it.[/QUOTE]
or as he said he can't afford it, and thus it's not a lost sale.
I remember pirating Left 4 Dead back prior to it's release. It was awesome but the matchmaking in the pirated client wasn't, so we all bought it and played it for hours on end.
Try before you buy. Unless it's porn
I usually pirate a game and try it out. If it is worth it, I buy it.(e.g. Human Revolution)
I download music and can't afford to just buy something because "the cover looks cool" or "has good reviews". I remember when Morbid Angel released their super-hyped new album last year and the song they had on YouTube was really good.....but the whole album was horrible. Saved me from going out and wasting money.
I try before I buy. I have a weekly allowance that I use strictly for vinyl/cd's so if I liked the album I add it to my "To buy when you have the cash" list.
Try before you buy. If not available, videos.
Seriously guys? Piracy is about to become illegal very soon or it's already illegal. Get your own money to buy games.
[QUOTE=Swog;37427746]Try before you buy. If not available, videos.
Seriously guys? Piracy is about to become illegal very soon or it's already illegal. Get your own money to buy games.[/QUOTE]
about to become illegal? its been illegal for a long time bro
[QUOTE=Bobie;37428037]about to become illegal? its been illegal for a long time bro[/QUOTE]
Then why are very few are arrested for it? Are the police too lazy eating sprinkle-covered donuts in their cruiser?
[QUOTE=Swog;37428270]Then why are very few are arrested for it? Are the police too lazy eating sprinkle-covered donuts in their cruiser?[/QUOTE]
because it's not a serious social issue. 99% of all other crimes are far more damaging to society than piracy; if anything piracy has been [URL="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.117.2922"]statistically proven to help the little people and curb those who attempt to make tens of millions[/URL] in monopolies
[QUOTE=ejonkou;37404256]Depends. If I'm trying out a new series of games or a genre I will most likely pirate a game to try it out for abit and then buy it through Steam/Online. As a student I don't have alot of money to throw at games.[/QUOTE]
I've stated this before but I actually want to see some sort of statistics as to how many people will actually keep the pirated game or actually buy the game after trying it. From my understanding, especially with companies with poor reputations like EA and Ubisoft, most pirates do it to spite them.
Which only gives them legitimate reasons to put DRM in.
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