God Bless American and Our Righteous Path of Truth, Justice, Democracy, and Capitalism.
i take it you dont live in America or you never lived in the poor parts of it
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25012921]i take it you dont live in America or you never lived in the poor parts of it[/QUOTE]
great effort to rerail the thread right there
thanks, im getting kind of bored with this 9/11 thing so i was hoping to start a new better subject
you really, really ought to see someone if you're not trolling
you can't blame stupid on dyslexia
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25013004]thanks, im getting kind of bored with this 9/11 thing so i was hoping to start a new better subject[/QUOTE]
wow are you dumb
derailing a thread is not good
i know i was being sarcastic
i just wanted to make a quick point and get accused of derailing a thread
[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;25012481]Bush had wanted to go to war with Iraq, but that doesn't mean he would plot 9/11 to get it.[/QUOTE]
Iranian delegation in the UN claimed that 9/11 was a plot (by the US) to gain economical securities and to secure Israel from getting their knees covered in shit (so to speak). Though this seems farfetched, but yet again, Bush administration did make alot of misstakes.
Though the topic in this thread is still what happened to WTC7 and why it occured.
[QUOTE=VeoSeo24;25003762]what shukaidox was banned for ladies and gentlemen:
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE[/MEDIA]
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No. He was banned for trolling by saying he wants us mad. He did not use it in anyway as a quote. At all. If he had said something about it, then maybe he would still be sitting here, fingers in ears LALALALALALALALALALALALALAing right now
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[QUOTE=VeoSeo24;25010620]I still find it extremely strange how hardly no one even heard this building collapse that day. I've seen interviews with Americans in New York City who attest to the only towers having collapsed being WTC 1 & 2. You'd think a third building collapse would have garnered national media attention in the same way the other two did... on the same day.
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that isn't to say there wasn't media attention... but it was extremely limited at best.[/QUOTE]
You mean apart from the fact that the other two had people in them, where much taller, and where hit by two planes, there is no reason at all apart from controlled demolition that WTC 7 has less coverage
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25014930]No. He was banned for trolling by saying he wants us mad. He did not use it in anyway as a quote. At all. If he had said something about it, then maybe he would still be sitting here, fingers in ears LALALALALALALALALALALALALAing right now[/QUOTE]
Nah, I supose that he meant it in a "yuo hawe two akt now amedica" kind of way.
But his ignorance made him into a troll, so that ban suites him right.
[QUOTE=Swemon;25014543]Iranian delegation in the UN claimed that 9/11 was a plot (by the US) to gain economical securities and to secure Israel from getting their knees covered in shit (so to speak). Though this seems farfetched, but yet again, Bush administration did make alot of misstakes.
Though the topic in this thread is still what happened to WTC7 and why it occured.[/QUOTE]
The fuck does Iran know?
Also, Israel has proved that they can handle themselves.
They may push their limits with the Palestine issue, but they can do alright themselves with other Arab nations.
Terrorism seems to be a bigger threat to Israel than war with any of the Arab countries.
Besides, the US still had/has forces in Saudi Arabia, so it's not like it would be that hard to swoop in to help Israel if the need arose.
[QUOTE=VeoSeo24;25011893]How is that not directly related to what happened on 9/11? They were looking for a pretext for a war, and they got one. It's not much of a stretch to say that [I]perhaps[/I] they had some sort of knowledge into what was going to happen.[/QUOTE]
9/11 got us into a war with [B]Afghanistan.[/B] Not Iraq.
Iraq was about WMDs.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25012921]i take it you dont live in America or you never lived in the poor parts of it[/QUOTE]
Ban evasion is bannable isn't it? Not predicting, just asking
[QUOTE=The Vman;25015020]9/11 got us into a war with [B]Afghanistan.[/B] Not Iraq.
Iraq was about WMDs.[/QUOTE]
That.
Bush vaguely linked Iraq to the whole terrorism thing (Even before 9/11 there were people in government who swore that when Al Qaeda struck the first (the truck bombing of the World Trade Center) that Saddam had to be involved.
People said that there was no way some small terrorist group out of Afghanistan could pull of that kind of attack, without some state sponsor funneling in money.
Bush used the same reasoning for the invasion of Iraq.
But he also threw WMD's into the mix to up the ante, and get people fearing for their safety in America.
When both turned out to be false, no one seemed to accept the blame.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25015052]Ban evasion is bannable isn't it? Not predicting, just asking[/QUOTE]
nobody likes a squealer
(which is funny cause im the pig)
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24990722]Because the government wants to stay in power, and will do what the people want. Most of the time anyway. If they can get more votes keeping it illegal, they will do that.
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Exactly. That's why he was banned, no point arguing.
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And he didn't point it out, he started to bitch about his ban.
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And that previous ban was justified.[/QUOTE]
Yep completely justified, asking an honest question is "conspiracy" but making a thread about wtc7 isn't. I asked Dragon and the only reason he isn't banning this guy is because he simply "didn't see it", whatever I guess.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25015619]Yep completely justified, asking an honest question is "conspiracy" but making a thread about wtc7 isn't. I asked Dragon and the only reason he isn't banning this guy is because he simply "didn't see it", whatever I guess.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less to be honest. You were banned for trying to get us to do your research to make you look good on skype. Deal with it.
And that other thread was a parody thread of this and the other theorist threads, it was obvious, and you started to be a bitch.
[QUOTE=VeoSeo24;25011893]How is that not directly related to what happened on 9/11? They were looking for a pretext for a war, and they got one. It's not much of a stretch to say that [I]perhaps[/I] they had some sort of knowledge into what was going to happen.[/QUOTE]
They were looking for one when Bush senior was in office. Of course they wanted to go into Iraq, they've been after that land for years.
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[QUOTE=VeoSeo24;25012057]Pretext for a war that has only taken away our liberties at home, the lives of soldiers and citizens abroad, and else where.
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Among [i]many other things...[/i][/QUOTE]
Bush was after Iraq, not the US.
Oh wait, he's an ILLUMNAZI
[QUOTE=Warhol;25017597]They were looking for one when Bush senior was in office. Of course they wanted to go into Iraq, they've been after that land for years.
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Bush was after Iraq, not the US.
Oh wait, he's an ILLUMNAZI[/QUOTE]
If we wanted that land back in the 90's, why didn't we go all the way to Baghdad in the 1990's and finish it then?
[U]U.S. and Allied Intelligence Heard the 9/11 Hijackers Plans [I]from Their Own Mouths[/I] [/U]The 9/11 hijackers were largely unknown prior to that horrible event, right?
Actually, U.S. and allied intelligence services heard a lot from the hijackers' own mouths prior to 9/11:
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[*]An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry [URL="http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05439.html"]discovered[/URL] that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/politics/08graham.html"]notes[/URL]:[INDENT]Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ....
The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.
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[*]According to Le Monde, the intelligence services of America's close ally France and of other governments had [URL="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041707J.shtml"]infiltrated the [I]highest levels[/I] of Al-Qaeda's camps, and actually [B][I]listened to the hijackers' debates about which airlines' planes should be hijacked[/I][/B], and [/URL][URL="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041707J.shtml"]allied intelligence services also intercepted [/URL][URL="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041707J.shtml"][I]phone[/I] conversations between Al-Qaeda members regarding the attacks[/URL]
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[*]According to journalist Christopher Ketcham, America's close ally Israel [URL="http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html"]tracked the hijackers' [I]every move[/I] prior to the attacks, and sent agents to film the attack on the World Trade Centers[/URL]
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[*]The [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20020806083614/http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3416632.htm"]National Security Agency[/URL] and the [URL="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/037541486X/centerforcoop-20"]FBI[/URL] were each independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed [B][I]mastermind[/I][/B] of the attacks and the [B][I]lead hijacker[/I][/B]. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the mastermind's phone calls
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[*]According to various sources, on the day before 9/11, the mastermind [URL="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091001ksmcallsatta#a091001ksmcallsatta"]told[/URL] the lead hijacker "tomorrow is zero hour" and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind's phone calls
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[*]Shortly before 9/11, the NSA also intercepted [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20020223063715/http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/wnt_missedsignals_1_020218.html"]multiple phone calls [/URL][URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20020223063715/http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/wnt_missedsignals_1_020218.html"]to the United States [/URL][URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20020223063715/http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/wnt_missedsignals_1_020218.html"]from Bin Laden's [B][I]chief of operations[/I][/B][/URL]
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[*]The CIA and the NSA had been [URL="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a953goodnews"]intercepting phone calls by the [I]hijackers[/I][/URL] for years (see also [URL="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/PBS_NSA_tracked_911_hijackers_but_0127.html"]this[/URL])
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[*]According to the Sunday Herald, [I]two days [/I]before 9/11, [B][I]Bin Laden[/I][/B] [URL="http://web.archive.org/web/20030422115947/http://www.sundayherald.com/19047"]called[/URL] his stepmother and told her "In [I]two days[/I], you're going to hear big news and you're not going to hear from me for a while.” U.S. officials later [URL="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a090901stepmother#a090901stepmother"]told CNN[/URL] that “in recent years they've been able to monitor some of bin Laden's telephone communications with his [step]mother. Bin Laden at the time was using a satellite telephone, and the signals were intercepted and sometimes recorded." Indeed, before 9/11, to impress important visitors, NSA analysts would occasionally play audio tapes of bin Laden talking to his stepmother.
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[*]And according to [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml"]CBS News[/URL], at 9:53 a.m on 9/11, just 15 minutes after the hijacked plane had hit the Pentagon, "the National Security Agency, which monitors communications worldwide, intercepted a phone call from one of Osama bin Laden's operatives in Afghanistan to a phone number in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia", and secretary of Defense Rumsfeld learned about the intercepted phone call in real-time (if the NSA monitored and transcribed phone calls in real-time [I]on[/I] 9/11, that implies that it did so in the months leading up to 9/11 as well)
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Did more research while I was away. Hope you guys didn't miss me too much.:frogbon:
So, If I copy this post into Google, what consipracist site is going to pop up?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25020773]:downswords:[/QUOTE]
I like how much all this has to do with building 7.
As usual, you've realized that you've run out of stupid arguments, so you change the subject onto something different until you can find another conspiracy bullshit site that you can use. Then you come back here, and tell us that we ought to be talking about building 7 rather than the alternate subject that you changed it to.
Rinse, repeat.
It's simply interesting information surrounding the day WTC 7 went down. If they conspired to hoax some sort of false-flag attack (as they have done in the past, and we all know history repeats), then this would be a part of it.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25021368]It's simply interesting information surrounding the day WTC 7 went down. If they conspired to hoax some sort of false-flag attack (as they have done in the past, and we all know history repeats), then this would be a part of it.[/QUOTE]
Oh no no, this is a thread about building 7. If you have nothing more to say, start a new thread or leave it alone.
The thread was supposed to be about WTC7. WTC7 wasn't brought down by controlled demolition, thread over.
Start a new thread if you want to talk about speculation of some people allegedly meeting hijackers.
Also [url]http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/04/government-heard-911-plans-from.html[/url], It seems your entire post is a re-phrasing of that. But I'm not going to bother reading all of that.
I find it funny how there's so much 'info' about a 'conspiracy' and yet no-one's going to the BBC or any other news site. Is the Guvmnt controlling all of those too? Bullshit.
"www.truthout.org" lol
Alright if that isn't specific about the building enough. I found some interesting information on what exactly was kept and stored inside WTC 7 during the collapse. Didn't come as much of a surprise:
[Quote]7 World Trade Center housed SEC files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. While some were backed up in other places, others were not, especially those classified as confidential.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NYL-49"][/URL]Files relating Citigroup to the Worldcom scandal were lost.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-street-50"][/URL] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimates over 10,000 cases will be affected.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NYLEq-51"][/URL]The Secret Service had its largest field office, with more than 200 employees, in WTC 7 and lost investigative files. Says one agent: “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building.”[/Quote][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-TTV-52"][/URL]
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Multi-billion dollar scandal and all the documents are now gone, as well as "all the evidence" the Secret Service had. Who knows what documents regarding [B]9/11 [/B]were lost in that building that day.
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ALSO, straight from the NIST website:
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[B]Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B]
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system.[/Quote]
They literally themselves acknowledge that it [I][B]was the first known building collapse due to fires alone. [/B][/I]All you facepunchers who continue to try and debunk this point, please, please tell me why the NIST say the same exact thing?
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The investigation, led by Dr S. Shyam Sunder, drew not only upon in-house technical expertise, but also upon the knowledge of several outside private institutions, including the Structural Engineering Institute of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_of_Civil_Engineers"]American Society of Civil Engineers[/URL] (SEI/ASCE), the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Fire_Protection_Engineers"]Society of Fire Protection Engineers[/URL] (SFPE), the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fire_Protection_Association"]National Fire Protection Association[/URL] (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Tall_Buildings_and_Urban_Habitat"]Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat[/URL] (CTBUH), and the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_Structural_Engineers_Associations"]Structural Engineers Association of New York[/URL] (SEAoNY).
I see you guys respond to that claim like it's absolute heresy. These guys don't seem to think so.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-WTCreport-36"][/URL]
Yeah, and they still said that it WAS THE FIRST KNOWN BUILDING TO COLLAPSE DUE TO FIRES ALONE. You quoted something that doesn't agree with the demolition idea, which I'm sure you support.
The NIST disproved that any explosive charges were used anywhere in the building. The fact that they said it was the first building to be brought down by fires alone, does not change the fact that it WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY FIRES.
And I couldn't care less what was in that building, it is known that the fires brought down the building, the files inside are irrelevant.
And if you say that because it contained all those top secret files it was brought down on purpose, damn boi.
And just to make something clear, I never contested the idea that it was the first steel building to collapse due to fires.
Apparently you don't understand what that means to the entirety of the official 9/11 story. Let me spell it out to you: If on 9/11 that something that [B]has never happened before[/B] occurred, wouldn't you cry foul play? It's obvious from what they've deduced that there had to be some outside force helping the building collapse.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25022555]Apparently you don't understand what that means to the entirety of the official 9/11 story. Let me spell it out to you: If on 9/11 that something that [B]has never happened before[/B] occurred, wouldn't you cry foul play? It's obvious from what they've deduced that there had to be some outside force helping the building collapse.[/QUOTE]
No, I wouldn't, if a steel-rise building similar to 7 WTC had collapsed due to fires anywhere else, YOU wouldn't be caring neither. You're just making a special case for this one because "Oh it held loads of important files"
Oh, also, I want you to find a quote from NIST saying that there had to have been an outside force.
And yes, I'm going to keep referencing the NIST. I've read the NIST WTC7 report fully, and they scientifically proved that gravity and long-lasting fires brought down the damn building, and nothing else. If something like "AN OUTSIDE FORCE CAUSED A MASSIVE BUILDING TO FALL" were obvious, they'd EXPLICITLY say so.
I'm gonna go play some Bad Company 2, won't be able to post further until I ragequit from the wookies killing me every 5 seconds.
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