• What Happened to WTC Building 7 on 9/11?
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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]Wrong. Straight from the WTC 7 wiki: The losses went heavily recorded, as a matter of fact. It is even mentioned that there were Wall Street scandal documents involving multi-billion dollar cases. There's a word for a string of coincidences that all point to one thing, its called [B]evidence.[/B][/QUOTE] Oooh, [I]Wall Street investigation reports[/I]!. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. I guess the government likes to keep it's secret plans to murder 5000 citizens right next to fraud cases! Damn, these government officials sure are dense, aren't they? [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]You don't see me trying to appeal to the supreme court do you? All I'm doing is spreading knowledge and awareness, so that perhaps one day when it is put to trial, the thousands who have seen the evidence will echo their cry to the courts for the truth to be revealed.[/QUOTE] Why not? You've got so much evidence here lying around, people have been triad for murder on less! Why not? Scared of losing your reputation as a respected scientists? Or are you just a little too young? [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]Regardless, the [B]citizens[/B] aboard were told it was to be a safe journey, and they were taken to dangerous waters (despite Nazi warnings ahead of time). This is one example.[/QUOTE] So you're basically admitting I was right. It's a war, your unofficial allies need supplies. Hiding them with passengers is an excellent idea. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]Another (which you conveniently ignored) was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Which the government (again this is on the record, but apparently every damn thing I say you disbelieve) came out and admitted was falsely reported as having occurred due to enemy combatants when in actuality it was a means to sway public opinion toward the war.[/QUOTE] Yes and no. Sure, the media, the government and the military ran with the idea because communism was a huge threat. But lets look actual quotes from this 'reveal' by the government. The president admitted that he didn't know for sure they were attacking submarines, hell, it's possible the sonar failed and they were infact 'shooting at whales'. The US government and it's people were paranoid about a communist invasion, so it was a PR issue to do something about it. This is more of a 'Hell, we don't fucking know, but we need to do something about it or else we're going to look like pussy's and idiots', not 'You're right guys, we did it, arrest us'. However, what you're missing is what actually happened after that. Despite Congress giving the president the power to declare war on China and pretty much whoever he wanted. [B]He didn't[/B]. Nothing was gained apart from a shit load of paranoia and the military losing face when the report came out. If there was some conspiracy, it's much more likely that the ship captain was making shit up to either 1) protect himself or 2) try to cause something. But neither have been proven. [editline]11:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]That's only partially collapsed. We're talking about a fully collapsed structure that fell into its own footprint. Sorry, doesn't count.[/QUOTE] It does count, because half the fucking building collapsed ([B]The STEEL PART like the WTC[/B]), and the rest of the building was also very 'likely to collapse' according to a report from Fire Fighters in Spain. But the fire proofing and it's concrete construction saved it. You'know, two things WTC didn't have. So yes, it counts alot.
When I'm the only person debating one side there is a possibility I may miss arguments but I surely have not ignored any good ones unless only to move onto a separate point entirely after the former had been debunked.
I swear, if 9/11 was orchestrated by the government, then they are the absolute worse at covering things up.
I don't know, you gotta hand it to em, they sure drilled their official story into the heads of the people pretty thick.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027095]I don't know, you gotta hand it to em, they sure drilled their official story into the heads of the people pretty thick.[/QUOTE] [img]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7264/2v9unvc.gif[/img] You don't seem to grasp the fact that the majority of the evidence does not come from the official report. Most of the evidence has been presented by people with degrees in psychics, like the 99% of the Engineering and Science organizations in America and abroad. "Calling people morons gives me super strength and the power of truth!"
so lets say one day we find out that 9/11 was staged, then what? by then bush would be dead and everyone that would have gotten there money from the war got the money so i dont think it will really make a difference
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027095]I don't know, you gotta hand it to em, they sure drilled their official story into the heads of the people pretty thick.[/QUOTE] You mean the offical story that 9/11 actually happened? i also like how you cry we ignore your points, but you've responded about 3 times and none of them covered the many points against you.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25027178]so lets say one day we find out that 9/11 was staged, then what? by then bush would be dead and everyone that would have gotten there money from the war got the money so i dont think it will really make a difference[/QUOTE] So lets say, one day, we find out that 9/11 was exactly what it was made out to be. Terrorists attacked the U.S., two large buildings fell and and took out another smaller one, and lots of people were killed. Then what? Maybe the government that you are so convinced is against you, actually isn't? It wouldn't really make a difference.
oh i never said i believe in the 9/11 conspiracy
Just so you guys know I have other things I do so replying to each and every little 'point' is not the focus of my day, that being said... I'll get started: [QUOTE=The Vman;25027015] Well if that's the case, and you no longer think thermite was what did the building in, the argument falls on its ass because the only other way they would have been able to demolish the building would be with explosives that would have been heard miles away.[/QUOTE] I am personally under the impression some third party was involved in the building collapses. I've posted numerous sources of evidence, but I'm moving on since people weren't convinced. Once I've gotten more conclusive evidence to sway people, I may make that point again. [editline]12:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=MrEndangered;25027042]Oooh, [I]Wall Street investigation reports[/I]!. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. I guess the government likes to keep it's secret plans to murder 5000 citizens right next to fraud cases! Damn, these government officials sure are dense, aren't they?[/QUOTE] No that just makes them sinister and corrupt. You think this is helping your case? [QUOTE=MrEndangered;25027042] Why not? You've got so much evidence here lying around, people have been triad for murder on less! Why not? Scared of losing your reputation as a respected scientists? Or are you just a little too young?[/QUOTE] Engineers, architects, physics professors and the like are coming out with evidence all the time. If I had the resources to fight a court battle that massive you'd bet my ass I would. [QUOTE=MrEndangered;25027042] It does count, because half the fucking building collapsed ([B]The STEEL PART like the WTC[/B]), and the rest of the building was also very 'likely to collapse' according to a report from Fire Fighters in Spain. But the fire proofing and it's concrete construction saved it. You'know, two things WTC didn't have. So yes, it counts alot.[/QUOTE] Sure but did the whole thing collapse into its own footprint? No? Then it's not applicable to this scenario. End of story.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898] I've posted numerous sources of [B]SPECULATION[/B],[/QUOTE] Get that through your skull.
you still missed like 90% of opposing points.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight, Warhol;25028145]:downswords:[/QUOTE] I posted many sources throughout the thread, sorry you've only been paying attention the last page or two.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898]I am personally under the impression some third party was involved in the building collapses. I've posted numerous sources of evidence, but I'm moving on since people weren't convinced. Once I've gotten more conclusive evidence to sway people, I may make that point again.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that. [editline]12:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898]No that just makes them sinister and corrupt. You think this is helping your case?[/QUOTE] Urm, yes it does. What do fraud cases have to do with bombs and murder by the government? That's like saying a police station burnt down means the Illuminati exists because there were case files about burglary there. There is no correlation. Besides, why would criminal cases only be kept in a TRADE CENTRE? Think about that. It's a trade centre. For trading. Why would criminal cases be stored there? Even if they were, why would any evidence for murdering 5000 New Yorkers with explosives be alongside them? That's not even Looney Tunes incompetent. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898]Engineers, architects, physics professors and the like are coming out with evidence all the time. If I had the resources to fight a court battle that massive you'd bet my ass I would.[/QUOTE] Your 'scientists' and 'engineers' are usually those who either have their name on no other research papers, are only linked to 9/11, have no concrete proof of their education, ASWELL as half of them having a degree in a non-relevant field. Remember that link to the 9/11 scientific paper website you gave me? Half of them had a 'degree' in Psychology. Psychology. Last time I checked, Psychologists are not qualified to discuss physics or chemistry. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898]Sure but did the whole thing collapse into its own footprint? No? Then it's not applicable to this scenario. End of story.[/QUOTE] The parts that were constructed similar to the WTC tower collapsed completely, as shown in the picture. I'll say that again. The parts of the building [B][I]designed in almost the exact same way[/I][/B] to the WTC [B][I]collapsed completely due to the fire[/I][/B]. Do you understand why this is relevant yet?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026989]Contrary to the board's popular belief I constantly am analyzing all opposing evidence and if it stands to reason that it debunks mine then I move onto other, more fact based conclusions. That's why you wont see me trying to debate the thermite unless I find another legitimate source to assert the claim.[/QUOTE] But what about the contradiction I called you out on in my last post. You ignored that completely.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25028536]But what about the contradiction I called you out on in my last post. You ignored that completely.[/QUOTE] I think he has told everyone twice before that he is having a hard time responding to everyone.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25026893]ok shudo, files were in the building. Your next point is a contradiction, you say you're not going to court about this, then say you are spreading facts for people to go to court with, after saying previously that your posts are speculation at best.[/QUOTE] You misunderstood, certain aspects of the debate are very speculative (as in what confidential documents were actually there). Although, other aspects are sourced by vast amounts of evidence (such as this building being a unique collapse). I'm going to keep rebutting. hold your horses :psyduck:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25027898]I am personally under the impression some third party was involved in the building collapses. I've posted numerous sources of evidence, but I'm moving on since people weren't convinced. Once I've gotten more conclusive evidence to sway people, I may make that point again.[/QUOTE] Describe how they were involved. Did they demolish the building themselves? If so, how? Or did they work with Al-Qaeda and the buildings were brought down by the planes alone?
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25028524] Urm, yes it does. What do fraud cases have to do with bombs and murder by the government? That's like saying a police station burnt down means the Illuminati exists because there were case files about burglary there. There is no correlation. Besides, why would criminal cases only be kept in a TRADE CENTRE? Think about that. It's a trade centre. For trading. Why would criminal cases be stored there? Even if they were, why would any evidence for murdering 5000 New Yorkers with explosives be alongside them? That's not even Looney Tunes incompetent. [/quote] It's recorded confidential documents were located there that were not backed up elsewhere. That's not hard to understand, no? If you look into who actually had offices at WTC 7 you'll find it was the Secret Service, Banks, and multiple other government organizations. These are facts. So my speculation is not exactly unwarranted, if you had an open mind you might see that. [QUOTE=MrEndangered;25028524] Your 'scientists' and 'engineers' are usually those who either have their name on no other research papers, are only linked to 9/11, have no concrete proof of their education, ASWELL as half of them having a degree in a non-relevant field. Remember that link to the 9/11 scientific paper website you gave me? Half of them had a 'degree' in Psychology. [/quote] There was a news article showing over a thousand architects, engineers, physicists, and professors all stating that there was something odd about the building collapses on 9/11, e.g.: [B]why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B] [QUOTE=MrEndangered;25028524] The parts that were constructed similar to the WTC tower collapsed completely, as shown in the picture. I'll say that again. The parts of the building [B][I]designed in almost the exact same way[/I][/B] to the WTC [B][I]collapsed completely due to the fire[/I][/B]. Do you understand why this is relevant yet?[/QUOTE] Okay, but sorry mr. speculation but that's kinda a long-shot to suggest the two buildings would behave similarly under the same conditions although being completely separate buildings filled with completely different things. Find a building just like the WTC 7 that burned down and collapsed into its own footprint and you'll have some [B]evidence. [/B] [editline]12:55AM[/editline] way to shit on my dick automerge.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028640]You misunderstood, certain aspects of the debate are very speculative (as in what confidential documents were actually there). Although, other aspects are sourced by vast amounts of evidence (such as this building being a unique collapse). I'm going to keep rebutting. hold your horses :psyduck:[/QUOTE] But every other building you point to has different proofing, except for one, which had the unprotected part collapse, just like WTC 7 wasn't proofed for a long fire and collapsed. [editline]11:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028804][B]why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B] Okay, but sorry mr. speculation but that's kinda a long-shot to suggest the two buildings would behave similarly under the same conditions although being completely separate buildings filled with completely different things. Find a building just like the WTC 7 that burned down and collapsed into its own footprint and you'll have some [B]evidence. [/B] [/QUOTE] I'll repeat again, buildings with a similar structure did collapse. I doubt there are two buildings in the world with exactly the same construction with materials from the same place and the same documents inside. You have created an impossible task. I doubt even the twin towers had their materials come from the same place. EDIT Not to mention the damage that was caused by rubble. Before you pull the the no other building argument, the same thing happens with tornadoes. One building is destroyed while another is relatively unharmed and only needs a few tiles and windows replaced. It happened in Australia recently, somewhere in New South Wales. EDIT TWO Just because there are "over a thousand architects, engineers, physicists, and professors" who say something strange happened, doesn't mean they are qualified to say so. Architects draw stuff anyway, its engineers who matter. And even then, there are many different areas of engineering. The same with physics, and many other career paths like Mechanics. Professors too. A professor of English and an aeronautical engineer can't comment You can't use that unless you show us reliable proof that they are trained in the right fields, I hope that clears it up for you.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028804][B]why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B] [/QUOTE] To people such as critical, the statement above is only challenging NIST's conclusion. Most people do realize that in a proper official report, the building was brought down by fires as well structural damage. It's hard to debate stuff like this. You have two sides who really care about their opinion, and it hurts them in the process because they end up accidentally contradicting themselves or presenting evidence (not fact, evidence) that sounds right to themselves because of their opinion, but there is a huge gaping hole on the other side of the argument they don't see.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028804]It's recorded confidential documents were located there that were not backed up elsewhere. That's not hard to understand, no? If you look into who actually had offices at WTC 7 you'll find it was the Secret Service, Banks, and multiple other government organizations. These are facts. So my speculation is not exactly unwarranted, if you had an open mind you might see that. [/QUOTE] Open mindedness is the willingness to accept new things. But that doesn't mean that we are closed minded because we require proof. There was a video posted earlier on the subject. Yet we have explained away everything you posted, and backed it up with proof, and you don't accept it, which makes you the close minded one. In the video posted earlier, it is explained that the close minded people are the ones who usually call others close minded too. I suggest you go back and watch it.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]There's a word for a string of coincidences that all point to one thing, its called [B]evidence.[/B] [/QUOTE] [b]hahahahahaha[/b]
Oh you guys.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25029042]Open mindedness is the willingness to accept new things. But that doesn't mean that we are closed minded because we require proof. There was a video posted earlier on the subject. Yet we have explained away everything you posted, and backed it up with proof, and you don't accept it, which makes you the close minded one. In the video posted earlier, it is explained that the close minded people are the ones who usually call others close minded too. I suggest you go back and watch it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hostel;25028804]It's hard to debate stuff like this. You have two sides who really care about their opinion, and it hurts them in the process because they end up accidentally contradicting themselves or presenting evidence (not fact, evidence) that sounds right to themselves because of their opinion, but there is a huge gaping hole on the other side of the argument they don't see.[/QUOTE] I've seen you as well as others who have presented stuff in which does make me reconsider aspects of this topic, but there are seldom times when people say things that don't make very good sense.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25022318] ALSO, straight from the NIST website: [quote] [B]Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B] The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system.[/quote] They literally themselves acknowledge that it [I][B]was the first known building collapse due to fires alone. [/B][/I]All you facepunchers who continue to try and debunk this point, please, please tell me why the NIST say the same exact thing? [/QUOTE] directed at hostels point
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]You don't see me trying to appeal to the supreme court do you? All I'm doing is spreading knowledge and awareness, so that perhaps one day when it is put to trial, the thousands who have seen the evidence will echo their cry to the courts for the truth to be revealed.[/QUOTE] this is not a fucking movie you are not a fucking narrator
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[QUOTE=Hostel;25029141]I've seen you as well as others who have presented stuff in which does make me reconsider aspects of this topic, but there are seldom times when people say things that don't make very good sense.[/QUOTE] Just because something makes sense doesn't make it right. Troll Physics makes sense, because they ignore the laws of physics.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25027178] everyone that would have gotten there money from the war got the money so i dont think it will really make a difference[/QUOTE] stop saying that for the love of god
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