[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030114]Yes, the same can be said for the building referenced by a previous poster. However, neither of them count because unlike the WTC 7, those buildings were still standing after the fires were put out.[/QUOTE]
Don't try to be a building engineer, please.
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I'm looking at naked girls now, it's a much more productive use of my time.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25030312]idk they could have hid it in a many many briefcases or had it on the plain (i dont know how they would not get caught putting that on a plain though) hey op because you are the one that thinks they hid it in the building, how do you think they hid all of it in there?[/QUOTE]
If they put it on the plane, there's no way they could detonate WTC 7.
hey carbon sorry about you being semi-color blind and all :saddowns:
[QUOTE=cccritical;25030782]hey carbon sorry about you being semi-color blind and all :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
It doesn't affect life so much don't worry
I guess I will call it quits for myself on this. I'm leaving this case up in the air and I literally do not have an opinion on it at this point. It fell, and that's pretty much all I truly know about it since information can be [I]so[/I] potentially bias or false no matter where you might get it. Jesus Christ could float down back down to earth with wings to tell everyone what actually happened, yet there would still be naysayers. The next time I see a different building fall this fast and with this much damage, I will call bullshit on that one. For now, I will just stick to being a sociopath on this one and not care about how WTC 7 fell.
[QUOTE=cccritical;25030782]hey carbon sorry about you being semi-color blind and all :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
I am constantly tormented by those green/red LED's on electronics.
I see them in my dreams, and they all look the same.
Shit happens.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;25030687]If they put it on the plane, there's no way they could detonate WTC 7.[/QUOTE]
hey op if you are still there can you answer the question of how they got the bombs in the place?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25030848]I am constantly tormented by those green/red LED's on electronics.
I see them in my dreams, and they all look the same.[/QUOTE]
what colour do they appear to be?
Back on track, the theorists have abandoned this thread and are back in the news, in the irans leader calls the UN to investigate 9/11 thread
i knew a guy that could not see green or red and he said it looked grey to him.
is it the same for you?
Why did the government bother with a controlled demolition? Why not just blow the place up completely?
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;25031404]Why did the government bother with a controlled demolition? Why not just blow the place up completely?[/QUOTE]
If I planned 9/11, I would see it as more collateral damage I guess.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;25031404]Why did the government bother with a controlled demolition? Why not just blow the place up completely?[/QUOTE]
Maybe so it doesn't look like an explosion
[QUOTE=Hostel;25031581]If I planned 9/11, I would see it as more collateral damage I guess.[/QUOTE]
Why would they care at all about collateral damage? They just killed 4000 people.
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Everyone just ignore ShukaidoX. He's an insane conspiracy theorist who believes in the NWO as well. Look at his handiwork earlier in the year.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;21368617]The government isn't the New World Order, its the hierarchy of super-elite rich families that lies at the tip of the pyramid that are running this dog and pony show. The minorities to be targeted in this case are people deemed 'enemies of the state' or 'dissidents'. So, if you and your friends feel like over throwing your local police state, be prepared for excessive force and violence being used against you and to top it off by being detained without right to a trial or habeas corpus.
It's simple, really. The federal government will continue to take away our rights and once we are in a situation of national emergency, all these police/totalitarian state laws will come into affect. Anyone who opposes goes to the camps. Any questions?
Don't think its possible? Our police state tax dollars at work:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etv8YEqaWgA[/media][/QUOTE]
why the living fuck do you need explosives that would take thousands of witnesses and months of planning and planting when you're going to ram a fucking plane into them anyways and just the planes by themselves would do the work
[QUOTE=cccritical;25032057]why the living fuck do you need explosives that would take thousands of witnesses and months of planning and planting when you're going to ram a fucking plane into them anyways and just the planes by themselves would do the work[/QUOTE]
This
Seriously, why make a humongous conspiracy involving thousands of people that could (and would have by now) leak information to anyone. IF ANYTHING, they would have just hired some Arabs to fly planes into the towers. At least that sounds plausible, although that's not what I think happened.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;25032389]This
Seriously, why make a humongous conspiracy involving thousands of people that could (and would have by now) leak information to anyone. IF ANYTHING, they would have just hired some Arabs to fly planes into the towers. At least that sounds plausible, although that's not what I think happened.[/QUOTE]
well I dont think you can pay a guy to kill himself.
I guess you can pay a Muslim leader to tell his people to kill themselves though
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25032733]well I dont think you can pay a guy to kill himself.
I guess you can pay a Muslim leader to tell his people to kill themselves though[/QUOTE]
Same thing
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25031316]what colour do they appear to be?
Back on track, the theorists have abandoned this thread and are back in the news, in the irans leader calls the UN to investigate 9/11 thread[/QUOTE]
You just can't tell the difference that's all
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026772]That's only partially collapsed. We're talking about a fully collapsed structure that fell into its own footprint. Sorry, doesn't count. Also, no plane hit WTC 7 if you remember correctly. The only explanation for WTC 7's collapse (by both the NIST and FEMA) was that it collapsed (entirely mind you) from fire alone.[/QUOTE]It's a blatant demonstration that normal fires can weaken steel. No shit it didn't collapse, it was of an entirely different, far more solid, design; that, and there were firefighters on the scene and even then they were of the professional opinion it was in danger of collapsing.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028804]There was a news article showing over a thousand architects, engineers, physicists, and professors all stating that there was something odd about the building collapses on 9/11, e.g.: [B]why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?[/B] [/QUOTE]Let me guess, this was the same site that admitted they couldn't provide actual proof of each person's qualifications, and on top of that half of them were something stupid like [I]landscape[/I] architects?
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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25029619]Source? All I've seen in the NIST report is that there was severe fire damage on multiple floors that lead to a collapse. There are multiple thousands of engineers and architects who say that couldn't happen without something helping the building go down. They probably know a lot more about structural building integrity than most of facepunch.[/QUOTE]And as i've been pointing out to the detriment of my blood pressure, they are either lying or not qualified. The NIST report, on the other hand, was made by thousands of people actually qualified in their area of expertise, and are relevant to the topic at hand.
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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030073]Do you think your clever quoting other peoples posts without the ones I refuted them with?[/QUOTE]You haven't refuted anything. You've scratched at irrelevant factors or misunderstood them entirely.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;25023285]Find me a steel-framed, 40+ storey building, whose steel columns are not coated in concrete, with the same structural design as WTC 7, built on top of another building with provisions made only for a 20 storey building, struck by debris from another building, sustaining fire for over 6 hours with no firefighting effort made; if it doesn't collapse, you'll have a point. On top of being completely incorrect, it is also irrelevant.
You also still haven't refuted the report's specific debunking of the use of explosives.[/QUOTE]
I've already demonstrated steel can be weakened by fire, most buildings are saved by virtue of a web steel construction and having their supports encased in concrete. As a matter of fact, that is why the new WTC 7 has concrete-reinforced core columns and thicker fireproofing. On top of that, it's highly unlikely all instances of steel-supported buildings collapsing by fire are recorded on the Internet.
And once again, you haven't refuted the impossibility of it having been caused by explosives. Without that, your argument is completely moot. You can point at suspicions, coincidences and irrelevancies all day; without the explosives your argument falls apart.
I have a great rebuttal for the documents argument:
Paper burns, why blow up an entire building when you can burn them in a fire. Before you say people would notice, according to you, the government can do what it wants anyway. Not to mention that a gradual movement of paper is a bit less obvious than packing a building full of explosives, and can be done with much less people involved, so it is much safer.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25035429]I have a great rebuttal for the documents argument:
Paper burns, why blow up an entire building when you can burn them in a fire. Before you say people would notice, according to you, the government can do what it wants anyway. Not to mention that a gradual movement of paper is a bit less obvious than packing a building full of explosives, and can be done with much less people involved, so it is much safer.[/QUOTE]
But the building would have seen everyting! They couldn't let it live :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028499]I posted many sources throughout the thread, sorry you've only been paying attention the last page or two.[/QUOTE]
post them again. if we're such NWO denying sheeple, post them again.
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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030114]Yes, the same can be said for the building referenced by a previous poster. However, neither of them count because unlike the WTC 7, those buildings were still standing after the fires were put out.[/QUOTE]
Fucking barely. Those buildings were like 60% gone.
Imagine a 400,000 tonne Jumbo jet with a full tank of petreol slaming into it.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25023811]Bolded the important part for you.
I'm sure the Americans were more than willing to lose millions of dollars in military hardware, and millions of dollars in training and...
Oh Jesus why am I even arguing something so stupid.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you just spend some time reading? the link explains how older, outdated ships were moved into the harbor before the attack and that Germany wouldn't... Oh Jesus why am I even arguing something so stupid.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25036663]
Fucking barely. Those buildings were like 60% gone.
Imagine a 400,000 tonne Jumbo jet with a full tank of petreol slaming into it.[/QUOTE]
stop raising that point, we're talking about building 7
[QUOTE=cccritical;25040232]stop raising that point, we're talking about building 7[/QUOTE]
Why would the government blow up WTC 7 and not the other 4
I thought planes flew into the larger building, causing them to collapse onto this one.
That's what I saw.
Nope. They all fell straight down.
The debris weakened 7 and the fires in it just made it go to hell.
[editline]12:05PM[/editline]
If the towers fell sideways, they would have taken out several city blocks.
[url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1005010]Hey, look! It's the female version of Shukaido![/url]
Notice how they way she argues is [I]exactly[/I] the same way Shuko argues.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25040452]Why would the government blow up WTC 7 and not the other 4[/QUOTE]
7 didn't have a plain crash into it, but it did take a tremendous hit from debris.
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just clarifying my post you replied to, if this post is confusing
tired as hell
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