[QUOTE=Zeke129;39635413]Integrate the rating system into the vetting process. Set it up so if a new user gets a certain number of dumbs (or other negative ratings) in a certain period of time they're automatically banned, but can post in the refugee camp to be unbanned just in case people were gaming the rating system or rating him dumb just because they disagree.
I'd also suggest keeping the actual criteria for the ban secret so it's harder to game it. Maybe even include a random delay between the rating limit being reached and the autoban so people can't figure out how it works.[/QUOTE]
no, because facepunch is always fucking bandwagoning on ratings
if the first 2 people rate it dumb the next 129 people will rate it dumb
if the first 2 people rate it agree the next 129 people will rate it agree
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39635413]Integrate the rating system into the vetting process. Set it up so if a new user gets a certain number of dumbs (or other negative ratings) in a certain period of time they're automatically banned, but can post in the refugee camp to be unbanned just in case people were gaming the rating system or rating him dumb just because they disagree.
I'd also suggest keeping the actual criteria for the ban secret so it's harder to game it. Maybe even include a random delay between the rating limit being reached and the autoban so people can't figure out how it works.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much my idea but implemented more smoothly. Might require tweaking however. I still believe the best system is the steam log in though.
The smartness system was obnoxious but it had a good point you know.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;39635354]Wasn't this thread locked, why was it reopened?[/QUOTE]
garry reopened it for discussion, click the little calendar on the bottom of the OP
[QUOTE=Turing;39635469]no, because facepunch is always fucking bandwagoning on ratings
if the first 2 people rate it dumb the next 129 people will rate it dumb
if the first 2 people rate it agree the next 129 people will rate it agree[/QUOTE]
That's what irritates me.
How about current members can only invite new people, as many people as you like. But what ever ban they acquire, is shared with you. So technically you're responsible for their mistakes as well.
[QUOTE=Turing;39635469]no, because facepunch is always fucking bandwagoning on ratings
if the first 2 people rate it dumb the next 129 people will rate it dumb
if the first 2 people rate it agree the next 129 people will rate it agree[/QUOTE]
it's usually because users are like 'oh this post has 5 agrees already, I don't want to rate because i might get called out on my differing opinion'
i always rate.
[editline]18th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39635516]How about current members can only invite new people, as many people as you like. But what ever ban they acquire, is shared with you. So technically you're responsible for their mistakes as well.[/QUOTE]
im not inviting anyone then
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;39635523]im not inviting anyone then[/QUOTE]
Then the system is perfect!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39635413]Integrate the rating system into the vetting process. Set it up so if a new user gets a certain number of dumbs (or other negative ratings) in a certain period of time they're automatically banned, but can post in the refugee camp to be unbanned just in case people were gaming the rating system or rating him dumb just because they disagree.
I'd also suggest keeping the actual criteria for the ban secret so it's harder to game it. Maybe even include a random delay between the rating limit being reached and the autoban so people can't figure out how it works.[/QUOTE]
if users find out it's on join date, as the typical hazing ritual goes, we'll negatively rate all newbies based on their join dates.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39632913]voted in gold > paid gold
only true golds like me can vote, also we can vote boostargolds into blue
Cowabanga boostard Gold Membership for Cowabanga[/QUOTE]
I made a topic to explain this concept in OIFY.
voting in and out sounds terrible as fuck, how about 3 days - 7 days of lurking and no posting, they can only post in the GMOD support area or tech support, if they want to skip the que they can do it with booster and purchase a "jump the que" card for $5 or something
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39635516]How about current members can only invite new people, as many people as you like. But what ever ban they acquire, is shared with you. So technically you're responsible for their mistakes as well.[/QUOTE]
I'd say yes to this if it wasn't for the fact that this entirely prevents people who don't know anyone from FP from joining even if they are good posters and it also pretty much prevents people who just want help with gmod from posting
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39635516]How about current members can only invite new people, as many people as you like. But what ever ban they acquire, is shared with you. So technically you're responsible for their mistakes as well.[/QUOTE]
Ehh, don't really agree with this. I have some friends who can act retarded at times, and I don't want to share the punishment with them if they act like an idiot.
Alternatively we could just go with the anti-refugee camp except instead of it being based on ratings, someone (gold member, mod) can manually decide to invite that user to join in which case you can still get new users/people who want help to join as long as SOMEBODY invites them after they post an application in the new user forum
AKA you have to be invited to join by a current member/gold member/mod/whatever but even if you dont' have an invite you can post in the new user fourm, and if someone is nice they'll invite you. If anyone invites a spam bot or a bunch of alts that person who invited gets perma'd (which is why I suggest it be mod/gold members only since you can't just join and immediately become a gold member unless you pay so its less likely we'll get a bunch of dumbass trolls inviting spammers/etc) and etc. But for the most part it shouldn't be a big deal
Prob suggested a million times but.
Invite system? Everyone gets X invites and can invite people to the forums? Like how these closed torrent sites do it.
Why not leave registration open, but give users more control over bad posts? (be able to mark posts as spam/shitposting, and if a certain amount do, the post is hidden)
[QUOTE=jeimizu;39635946]Why not leave registration open, but give users more control over bad posts? (be able to mark posts as spam/shitposting, and if a certain amount do, the post is hidden)[/QUOTE]
I'd be concerned that people would use that as an extension of ratings: Disagree with someone? Rate dumb and report!
BRING SMARTNESS BACK!
That is all..
Steam sign in + smartness seems like it would be a pretty effective combination
[QUOTE=Xonax;39631588]Why not make it so you need Steam and Gmod to register?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=darth-veger;39635753]Prob suggested a million times but.
Invite system? Everyone gets X invites and can invite people to the forums? Like how these closed torrent sites do it.[/QUOTE]
You have to take into account that we're half the main gmod forum and half a general purpose message board. An invite system doesn't work for people who are just having issues with gmod since they probably don't know anyone here, and checking if you own gmod doesn't work for people who just want to join for the other sections. Not everyone here owns gmod.
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39631660]maybe mini-moderators who can ban people and mow faggots down but in order for their bans to take effect they have to be approved by a normal mod[/QUOTE]
That's no different than the report feature since both require mod approval for the person to get banned. We have enough mods anyways.
[QUOTE=Kwaq;39630420]make it so when people register they have to lurk for a week before they can post[/QUOTE]
It'd encourage people to learn the rules and the way the forum works before posting yeah but it's still just gonna piss off people in need of gmod support and make trolls just make lots of accounts on lots of IP's in advance.
I don't see an army of spambots having a problem with waiting a week to make a thread. Forcing a person to lurk is not the best idea in that regards and people who joined for technical support with Garry's Mod will be fucked.
A reverse refugee camp requires constant vigilance of the mods who would have spend the time assessing whether the person is a spambot or not. (Believe it or not, spambot coders are ingenious)
Captcha before the person's first post and making threads would be prohibited until the user reaches a certain post count could prevent most of the spammers.
The successful spammers are easily mopped up as their numbers would be significantly reduced.
I would still recommend a day or two buffer between joining and posting just for those certain impulsive users but leave the technical support and questions open.
[editline]18th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZenX2;39636262]Steam sign in + smartness seems like it would be a pretty effective combination[/QUOTE]
I liked the idea of Steam sign in with a separate username.
Smartness, though, is flawed at its core.
Stormfront still allows regestration.
So this forum is basically less inclusive than Nazis.
Two ways in:
Be the son of a member, or save the life of a member.
i'm for a system where you pay for an account, but if you have gmod you get one account for free
[QUOTE=Orkel;39636532]i'm for a system where you pay for an account, but if you have gmod you get one account for free[/QUOTE]
or steam with 1 actually paid game, rather
Facepunch is pretty much no longer a gmod forum after all, and paying to get in will piss everyone off. This isn't some VIP porn site, after all.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39636550]or steam with 1 actually paid game, rather[/quote]The point of making the paid game be gmod is that it lets in the people that just need gmod support, which we get very often
[quote]Facepunch is pretty much no longer a gmod forum after all[/QUOTE]
Not really, we still have an active gmod section and lots and lots of people that come here just for gmod support. Gmod is still a big part of the forums. Maybe not as big as the rest yeah but I wouldn't call it non-existent either.
[QUOTE=Orkel;39636532]i'm for a system where you pay for an account, but if you have gmod you get one account for free[/QUOTE]
That would work well since we have already used steam authentication in the past.
Of course it means you have to buy the game to be here but it isn't like it's a one-time payment waste of money and it's not even a lot of money.
Can anyone summarize exactly what is wrong with the current process of getting registered? Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't see any major flaws with it, and some of the ideas being thrown around in this thread are, to me, a bit excessive (paying and whatnot).
that if I were banned I can clear my cookies and re-register (might have to hop on a proxy/VPN first though)
[QUOTE=Orkel;39636532]i'm for a system where you pay for an account, but if you have gmod you get one account for free[/QUOTE]
Sorry but if I'm going to have to pay for an account, I would go to SA instead.
I like the Steam idea. If I were banned I wouldn't make a new account if I had to verify with Steam before posting, it's not worth making new Steam accounts to be an idiot again.
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