[QUOTE=Sausage;36544269]The Bible is a historical document. Some of the claims are to be interpreted as a metaphor, and it is hinted when one should do so. And you've just proved my point by being an atheist and insulting me for stating my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Your opinion is dumb. It has nothing to do with him being an atheist. Sweeping generalizations about people, especially over such a broad, decentralized philosphy such as atheism, is dumb and you should expect people to call you out for it.
If I said "All Christians are intolerant of other religions" and a Christian called me dumb that's because it's a dumb opinion, not because he is a Christian.
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Please debunk the theory of Evolution please. Enlighten me with your ignorant words of wisdom as you generalize an entire group of people based off bullcrap.[/QUOTE]
Why are you asking me to debunk it? I believe it was a tool used by God to create us, as well as other species.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544308]On top of that, atheists are like 10-15% of the population. The majority doesn't agree with them. Who do you think is right? There's a reason why we have a democracy where the majority decides - it's because it's almost always right.[/QUOTE]
You know, the majority of people in power in Germany during WWII though that Germany was perfectly justified in taking over all of Europe. During the 50s a majority of people though Blacks and Women shouldn't have the rights of a White man. Is that right?
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[QUOTE=Sausage;36544308][b]The majority doesn't agree with them. Who do you think is right[/b][/QUOTE]
Hmn
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544334]You know, the majority of people in power in Germany during WWII though that Germany was perfectly justified in taking over all of Europe. During the 50s a majority of people though Blacks and Women shouldn't have the rights of a White man. Is that right?[/QUOTE]
So now you think democracy is bad? Please answer my question.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544324]Why are you asking me to debunk it? I believe it was a tool used by God to create us, as well as other species.[/QUOTE]
The Bible specifically says that the Earth is not more than a couple of thousand years old. Evolution proves that the Earth has been around billions.
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[QUOTE=Sausage;36544347]So now you think democracy is bad? Please answer my question.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that the majority isn't always right. You have yet to give me any factual evidence that the majority of people hate atheists.
This video was funny on both sides of it.
Do I believe in a god? No. Do I believe in creationism? No Do I believe in evolution, kinda but not entirely. I believe in facts. not assumptions. Do I bash people who believe in something that does not have much evidence? No, because that would mean bashing every single person on earth, whether you believe in evolution or creationism.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544334]You know, the majority of people in power in Germany during WWII though that Germany was perfectly justified in taking over all of Europe. During the 50s a majority of people though Blacks and Women shouldn't have the rights of a White man. Is that right?[/QUOTE]
"the majority of people in power in Germany during WWII though that Germany was perfectly justified in taking over all of Europe"
But they were threatened by the Nazi party. Political violence was widespread back then and pressured people to vote in favor.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544348]The Bible specifically says that the Earth is not more than a couple of thousand years old. Evolution proves that the Earth has been around billions.
[/QUOTE]
Where?
And by that I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just interested in seeing that.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544288]But most people hate atheists. It's a fact. Just go outside and ask many random strangers whether they hate atheists or not. On top of that, atheists are considered to be the most hated minority. This is because unlike other minorities,[B] they disrespect other people's beliefs and resort to personal attacks when their claims get debunked[/B].[/QUOTE]
isn't that in essence what you're doing right now
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544348]The Bible specifically says that the Earth is not more than a couple of thousand years old. Evolution proves that the Earth has been around billions.
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I'm saying that the majority isn't always right. You have yet to give me any factual evidence that the majority of people hate atheists.[/QUOTE]
"I'm saying that the majority isn't always right."
So you don't believe in democracy? Democracy is when the majority is believed to be right, which it is, unless there are external factors like political violence used to intimidate people into voting.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544374]"the majority of people in power in Germany during WWII though that Germany was perfectly justified in taking over all of Europe"
But they were threatened by the Nazi party. Political violence was widespread back then and pressured people to vote in favor.[/QUOTE]
Please see my comment on racism and sexism in the 50s. None of that was forced on any body. Also, there was no political violence making people defend Nazism. People looked to Nazism becaused it promised peace and economic stability, not because of threats. You sir, are making shit up.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;36544366]Do I believe in evolution, kinda but not entirely. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I believe in facts[/QUOTE]
These are mutually exclusive concepts. The theory of evolution is backed up by an immense amount of evidence gathered by dozens of different scientific fields over centuries of collaboration. If you believe in facts then you believe in evolution because it itself is a fact.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544402]Please see my comment on racism and sexism in the 50s. None of that was forced on any body. Also, there was no political violence making people defend Nazism. People looked to Nazism becaused it promised peace and economic stability, not because of threats. You sir, are making shit up.[/QUOTE]
But we're talking about the present situation, not 60+ years ago.
[QUOTE=DudeGuyKT;36544381]Where?
And by that I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just interested in seeing that.[/QUOTE]
Based on the number of years which people live, creationists have determined that 6000 years is the approximate age of the Earth based on the Bible's Timespan:
[url]www.missiontoamerica.com/genesis/six-thousand-years.html[/url]
Basically explains their conclusion.
aaaaaaand HERE we go, the massive circlejerk argument cycle continues once more.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544415]But we're talking about the present situation, not 60+ years ago.[/QUOTE]
But the same rules apply. You are defending a scenario that exists the same way in both time periods and cannot defend either. You still haven't provided any factual evidence that the majority hate atheists, that all atheists hate other people's beliefs, or that Jesus was real.
-snip- this thread is moving to damn fast.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544393]"I'm saying that the majority isn't always right."
So you don't believe in democracy? Democracy is when the majority is believed to be right, which it is, unless there are external factors like political violence used to intimidate people into voting.[/QUOTE]
Umm no, democracy isn't when the majority is 'right'. its when the majority wins.
If I show this color to people
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YU7h-BaLcgs/S_N9W4A4fCI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/Q_8CrB6xI5E/s1600/magenta.gif[/img]
and ask them what it is and the majority says 'pink' that wouldn't make them right. because its magenta.
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[QUOTE=Raidyr;36544406]These are mutually exclusive concepts. The theory of evolution is backed up by an immense amount of evidence gathered by dozens of different scientific fields over centuries of collaboration. If you believe in facts then you believe in evolution because it itself is a fact.[/QUOTE]
Evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. In my opinion, its the best theory, but a theory is still not fact.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;36544441]Umm no, democracy isn't when the majority is 'right'. its when the majority wins.
If I show this color to people
and ask them what it is and the majority says 'pink' that wouldn't make them right. because its magenta.
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Evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. In my opinion, its the best theory, but a theory is still not fact.[/QUOTE]
Ok, let's use your definition then, that the majority wins.
The majority wins over atheists. The majority is religious, and doesn't have extreme lunatic beliefs unlike some.
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[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544434]But the same rules apply. You are defending a scenario that exists the same way in both time periods and cannot defend either. You still haven't provided any factual evidence that the majority hate atheists, that all atheists hate other people's beliefs, or that Jesus was real.[/QUOTE]
No, the rules were very very different 60 years ago. The society was different. The way people thought was different. You can't compare the present to the past.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544501]Ok, let's use your definition then, that the majority wins.
The majority wins over atheists. The majority are religious, and doesn't have extreme lunatic beliefs unlike some.[/QUOTE]
What if the majority are all muslims and they all vote to eliminate all the jews from the world?
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544501]Ok, let's use your definition then, that the majority wins.
The majority wins over atheists. The majority are religious, and doesn't have extreme lunatic beliefs unlike some.[/QUOTE]
Are you claiming that atheistic beliefs are "extreme lunatic beliefs" ? I'm sorry, I'm done debating with you. You ignore fact, you ignore the topics, you only chime in when the topic is irrelevant and you claim, without any evidence, that all atheists are bad and all theists are good.
Good job, you're the worst poster I've ever seen, and I frequent the Minecraft subforum.
Germany had the right to Poland though. It's been part of Germany since fucking roman times.
[QUOTE=RaxaHax;36544515]What if the majority are all muslims and they all vote to eliminate all the jews from the world?[/QUOTE]
I would only expect such nonsense to come out of the mouth of someone with a Karl Marx avatar. Most Muslims don't want Jews eliminated. You're just a hateful and intolerant person, and probably a racist too.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544501]You can't compare the present to the past.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544269]The Bible is a historical document.[/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544501]Ok, let's use your definition then, that the majority wins.
The majority wins over atheists. The majority is religious, and doesn't have extreme lunatic beliefs unlike some.
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No, the rules were very very different 60 years ago. The society was different. The way people thought was different. You can't compare the present to the past.[/QUOTE]
What makes the society then better than the society now? What makes today's society perfect, but society of a few decades ago was awful and not applicable to moral debates? You make no sense.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544501]Ok, let's use your definition then, that the majority wins.
The majority wins over atheists. The majority are religious, and doesn't have extreme lunatic beliefs unlike some.
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No, the rules were very very different 60 years ago. The society was different. The way people thought was different. You can't compare the present to the past.[/QUOTE]
You do realize right there, you just said that religion is wrong. Because in my definition, the majority was wrong. But hey, like i said before, I don't really care what you believe in, or what anyone believes in fuck everyone except myself. Because my beliefs are what matter to me.
[QUOTE=Sausage;36544536]I would only expect such nonsense to come out of the mouth of someone with a Karl Marx avatar. [/QUOTE]
haha what
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