Fox News at Atheist Rally - General

[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;36544441] Evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. In my opinion, its the best theory, but a theory is still not fact.[/QUOTE] Scientific theory != theory

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544393]"I'm saying that the majority isn't always right." So you don't believe in democracy? Democracy is when the majority is believed to be right, which it is, unless there are external factors like political violence used to intimidate people into voting.[/QUOTE] That's a strawman argument. Saying someone doesn't believe in democracy for them saying a majority wins system is flawed, that's just arrogant. If 51 % of the population agreed on something, that means that 49 percent still disagreed. Doesn't mean that the 51 percent is right just because they won by a thin margin.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544536]I would only expect such nonsense to come out of the mouth of someone with a Karl Marx avatar. Most Muslims don't want Jews eliminated. You're just a hateful and intolerant person, and probably a racist too.[/QUOTE] He was claiming a hypothetical situation. You say he's racist, and then you go off to say all Atheists are bad. You have to be a troll. This guy has to be a troll.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544523]Are you claiming that atheistic beliefs are "extreme lunatic beliefs" ? I'm sorry, I'm done debating with you. You ignore fact, you ignore the topics, you only chime in when the topic is irrelevant and you claim, without any evidence, that all atheists are bad and all theists are good. Good job, you're the worst poster I've ever seen, and I frequent the Minecraft subforum.[/QUOTE] Atheist beliefs are extreme by definitions, as they're very different from those held by the majority. And after your arguments got refuted and destroyed, you quit the debate. What a mature action. You're an horrible and intolerant poster. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Nikota;36544555]That's a strawman argument. Saying someone doesn't believe in democracy for them saying a majority wins system is flawed, that's just arrogant. If 51 % of the population agreed on something, that means that 49 percent still disagreed. Doesn't mean that the 51 percent is right just because they won by a thin margin.[/QUOTE] It does in a democracy. Maybe if you live in some country like China or Russia the margin is 130%, but this isn't the case for democratic and free nations.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544559]Atheist beliefs are extreme by definitions, as they're very different from those held by the majority. And after your arguments got refuted and destroyed, you quit the debate. What a mature action. You're an horrible and intolerant poster.[/QUOTE] What. What. WHAT? You ignored all of my arguments. That's why I no longer want to argue. You still have yet to tell me any evidence for any of your claims and continue to defend some horrible opinion that all atheists are evil. Atheistic beliefs are not extreme. You know what an extreme belief is? That all babies go to hell if not baptized, and that's a religious belief.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36544554]Scientific theory != theory[/QUOTE] Exactly. A scientific theory has a lot of evidence and such gained on it, but the common phrasing of the word theory is that of speculation. People assuming words have the same meaning.

Now this guy is claiming that people are always right just based on numbers rather than fact. If I have a room full of 5 year olds and ask them if Santa Claus is real, the majority will say yes. Does that mean that Santa Claus is real? Democracy doesn't mean the majority is correct, that just means that's what the majority believes.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544584]What. What. WHAT? You ignored all of my arguments. That's why I no longer want to argue. You still have yet to tell me any evidence for any of your claims and continue to defend some horrible opinion that all atheists are evil. Atheistic beliefs are not extreme. You know what an extreme belief is? That all babies go to hell if not baptized, and that's a religious belief.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that ALL atheists are bad, but most are, because they're usually very intolerant. And atheists ARE extreme by definition. The definition of extreme is something radically different from the opinion of the majority.

Argumentum ad populum

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544606]Now this guy is claiming that people are always right just based on numbers rather than fact. If I have a room full of 5 year olds and ask them if Santa Claus is real, the majority will say yes. Does that mean that Santa Claus is real? Democracy doesn't mean the majority is correct, that just means that's what the majority believes.[/QUOTE] But the majority of the world isn't 5 year olds. The average age is that of a full-grown mature adult. Your example doesn't apply here at all.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544614]I'm not saying that ALL atheists are bad, but most are, because they're usually very intolerant. And atheists ARE extreme by definition. The definition of extreme is something radically different from the opinion of the majority.[/QUOTE] No, the definition of "Extreme" is: "Reaching a high or the highest degree; very great" Stop making shit up. Where's the proof that most atheists are very intolerant?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36544620]Argumentum ad populum[/QUOTE] So what is democracy then? Argumentum ad populum too? Argumentum ad populum is a valid argument, because we live in a democracy.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544625]But the majority of the world isn't 5 year olds. The average age is that of a full-grown mature adult. Your example doesn't apply here at all.[/QUOTE] It's a hypothetical situation that defends how being "the majority" doesn't equal being correct. This applies to any situation with multiple differing opinions, regardless of age.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544614]I'm not saying that ALL atheists are bad, but most are, because they're usually very intolerant.[/QUOTE] I'd ask where you got those numbers, perhaps in a study or a survey conducted with a suitable sample size over a determinable amount of time, but I'm pretty sure at this point any appeal to science would be in vain.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544627]No, the definition of "Extreme" is: "Reaching a high or the highest degree; very great" Stop making shit up. Where's the proof that most atheists are very intolerant?[/QUOTE] The definition of extreme is "radically different from the majority", buddy. You're the one making shit up. And the proof is personal observation - the foundation of science. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36544643]I'd ask where you got those numbers, perhaps in a study or a survey conducted with a suitable sample size over a determinable amount of time, but I'm pretty sure at this point any appeal to science would be in vain.[/QUOTE] It's very hard, if not impossible to measure behaviors like intolerance. And I made my conclusion by observing a very large sample of atheists - the atheists I've met.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544635]So what is democracy then? Argumentum ad populum too? Argumentum ad populum is a valid argument, because we live in a democracy.[/QUOTE] Assuming you live in America, it's actually a federal republic. Also there was a time where the majority would believe in heliocentrism and that the Earth was flat, two ideas that were defeated by science centuries ago.

Hey sausage, the majority of the people in this topic think you're being an idiot, maybe you should get out

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544653]The definition of extreme is "radically different from the majority", buddy. You're the one making shit up. And the proof is personal observation - the foundation of science.[/QUOTE] Personal observation is not the foundation of science.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544642]It's a hypothetical situation that defends how being "the majority" doesn't equal being correct. This applies to any situation with multiple differing opinions, regardless of age.[/QUOTE] So after saying this, do you have any reason to believe in the universal suffrage at all? In the majority electing representatives? Judging from what you've said, you'd rather have elitists who are 'more educated' than the majority rule.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544653]And I made my conclusion by observing a very large sample of atheists - the atheists I've met.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal much?

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544689]So after saying this, do you have any reason to believe in the universal suffrage at all? In the majority electing representatives? Judging from what you've said, you'd rather have elitists who are 'more educated' than the majority rule.[/QUOTE] No, you see, because not even the Christians I know are as idiotic as you. They actually don't believe generalizations that "all Atheists are this or that". You are not the majority, you are the minority of people that are stupid enough to blindly defend their ignorant beliefs without citing evidence. The majority of people are smarter and more educated than you.

Is it Hammer-time yet for Sausage?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36544711]No, you see, because not even the Christians I know are as idiotic as you. They actually don't believe generalizations that "all Atheists are this or that". You are not the majority, you are the minority of people that are stupid enough to blindly defend their ignorant beliefs without citing evidence. The majority of people are smarter and more educated than you.[/QUOTE] No, me believing in God Jesus Christ makes me from the majority. I'm in the majority. You're the minority with your immature atheist beliefs. Wow, I'm done arguing in this thread. It seems like immature Reddit atheists flooded it - the link was probably posted on their site. Once you grow up and become mature, you will realize why most people believe in God. It's normal to be rebellious when one is young, and want to stand out and appear unique to grab other people's attention. You will get over this phase - everyone went through it.

Not really, you're just a retard who thinks the US is a democracy.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;36544744]Is it Hammer-time yet for Sausage?[/QUOTE] Hammer-time for disagreeing with atheism? This is why we can't have good things. Intolerant people who ruin everything, who think they're smarter than everybody.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544764]Hammer-time for disagreeing with atheism? This is why we can't have good things. Intolerant people who ruin everything, who think they're smarter than everybody.[/QUOTE] You're the one who just called atheism immature. Sounds like you're the intolerant one.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;36544761]Not really, you're just a retard who thinks the US is a democracy.[/QUOTE] Where did I mention the US?

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544751]No, me believing in God Jesus Christ makes me from the majority. I'm in the majority. You're the minority with your immature atheist beliefs. Wow, I'm done arguing in this thread. It seems like immature Reddit atheists flooded it - the link was probably posted on their site. Once you grow up and become mature, you will realize why most people believe in God. It's normal to be rebellious when one is young, and want to stand out and appear unique to grab other people's attention. You will get over this phase - everyone went through it.[/QUOTE] Oh fucking hell, this guy, he's got to be a troll. He's got to be. The "God Jesus Christ" line. Claiming atheism is a "rebellious young phase" and that people are atheists for "attention". He also claims we're all from reddit. Fucking hell this is just too obvious. He can't be that big an idiot. Right?

[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;36544770]You're the one who just called atheism immature. Sounds like you're the intolerant one.[/QUOTE] No, I simply stated my opinion on this belief. However, I don't prohibit other people from expressing their atheistic beliefs. [editline]29th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Loriborn;36544777]Oh fucking hell, this guy, he's got to be a troll. He's got to be. The "God Jesus Christ" line. Claiming atheism is a "rebellious young phase" and that people are atheists for "attention". He also claims we're all from reddit. Fucking hell this is just too obvious. He can't be that big an idiot. Right?[/QUOTE] And now you're calling me an idiot? Such a mature attitude. Anyway, I'm out. It's impossible to argue with those who don't want to argue and resort to personal attacks.

[QUOTE=Sausage;36544784]No, I simply stated my opinion on this belief. However, I don't prohibit other people from expressing their atheistic beliefs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sausage;36543790]And then you wonder why everybody hates atheists.[/QUOTE] You don't prohibit; you just talk about them in the most negative manner possible.