Hansen VS Predator: Can you take a seat right over there? - General

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51103617]Sting ops in France typically don't utilize a privately owned show to actually forward the operation. A team of reporters may occasionally piggyback and get to record the actual operations but they'll have absolutely no part in whatever's going on. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] Also is no one else going to point out the fact the show literally starts with misinformed fear-mongering by claiming pokemon GO is a risk for children and that [I]fucking GRINDR[/I] is a pedophile hotspot ?[/QUOTE] Yes, but this is about kiddie diddlers, even other criminals agree that this works, we just get to see how hilarious it is. Also, GRINDR is p bad, you even heard of any stories from that?

this show always made me nauseous but I still kept on watching anyways.

the guy is a vet. in the national guard. christ. what an embarrassment to his country.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51103617]Sting ops in France typically don't utilize a privately owned show to actually forward the operation. A team of reporters may occasionally piggyback and get to record the actual operations but they'll have absolutely no part in whatever's going on.[/QUOTE] The show isn't filmed in France.

Legal entrapment~ [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BusinessRed;51101868]was this fucker planning a [sp]snuff film[/sp]?[/QUOTE] Also, no. He had all of that shit in his trunk because he's a vet... Maybe if he had a few buckets of lye, a shovel, yards of plastic-wrap, etc. This guy is just a fucking perv, that's all.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~[/QUOTE] TCAP/Hansen Vs Predator aren't entrapment. These guys were gonna try to fuck kids even if Hansen hadn't baited them.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51103079]Hansen sure developed a gut in these few years. Wonder if he ate a predator or 2[/QUOTE] What do you think happens to all the Wendy's the predators bring to the house?

[QUOTE=Hidole555;51105391]What do you think happens to all the Wendy's the predators bring to the house?[/QUOTE] As funny as that idea is, I doubt they keep any of the food, considering that it might be spiked with shit.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~ [/QUOTE] I haven't watched the show, but as far as I know the concept, I think you're misunderstanding what entrapment actually means.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;51105612]Didn't a bunch of people get [B]acquitted because of shit Hansen and friends did? [/B] I really hope they got their shit together after that before they start this show again.[/QUOTE] Not so much that as much as Perverted Justice (The group they worked with) usually wasn't helpful with investigations and sometimes didn't turn over the relevant chatlogs/phone records to the court.

It sounds like they're working with a different group now

The thing that still bothers me the most about this show is that it showcases people who need actual psychiatric help and instead of providing them with the assistance they need to turn their life around, they're thrown at the wolves, ridiculed on TV, depicted as literal inhumane monsters, and made a profit on, all the while being as fear-mongering as humanly possible. It's like one giant example of why the American justice system's a complete fucking joke. Don't fix shit, just make reality TV on it and make some cash while people with genuine mental issues are thrown in jail like animals. Don't give them a chance to recover if they ever get out because they A) didn't get the help they actually needed and B) had their face plastered uncensored for the whole world to see so everyone knows who to ostracize.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51105678]The thing that still bothers me the most about this show is that it showcases people who need actual psychiatric help and instead of providing them with the assistance they need to turn their life around, they're thrown at the wolves, ridiculed on TV, depicted as literal inhumane monsters, and made a profit on, all the while being as fear-mongering as humanly possible. It's like one giant example of why the American justice system's a complete fucking joke. Don't fix shit, just make reality TV on it and make some cash while people with genuine mental issues are thrown in jail like animals. Don't give them a chance to recover if they ever get out because they A) didn't get the help they actually needed and B) had their face plastered uncensored for the whole world to see so everyone knows who to ostracize.[/QUOTE] That actually sounds more fucked up if you think about it. Not to mention it spells "dead on arrival" for does going to jail if the whole "molesters get killed in prison" thing is true.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~ [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] Also, no. He had all of that shit in his trunk because he's a vet... Maybe if he had a few buckets of lye, a shovel, yards of plastic-wrap, etc. This guy is just a fucking perv, that's all.[/QUOTE] that's not entrapment

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51105678]The thing that still bothers me the most about this show is that it showcases people who need actual psychiatric help and instead of providing them with the assistance they need to turn their life around, they're thrown at the wolves, ridiculed on TV, depicted as literal inhumane monsters, and made a profit on, all the while being as fear-mongering as humanly possible. It's like one giant example of why the American justice system's a complete fucking joke. Don't fix shit, just make reality TV on it and make some cash while people with genuine mental issues are thrown in jail like animals. Don't give them a chance to recover if they ever get out because they A) didn't get the help they actually needed and B) had their face plastered uncensored for the whole world to see so everyone knows who to ostracize.[/QUOTE] i was okay with this right up until the moment where Hansen said "oh btw you're on my reality TV show" and all the cameramen burst in to get closeups of the dude's face buried in his hands. like the entire mood instantly snaps from "genuinely trying to help this guy" mode to "WELCOME TO AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS" mode. it's disturbing.

In no way is this entrapment. As Hansen states, these creeps always make the first contact, and the decoys are only limited to reciprocation. I say good riddance to all of them.

I think there's nothing wrong with televising this. It's a good way to compound on people that this is a bad thing for someone to do.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~[/QUOTE] It's not entrapment because they're not seeking these people out and actively engaging with them. They're setting up and letting them come to the police. Because the police aren't initiating the interactions, they're not influencing anyone to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

it's eerie watching them sob when they are caught. i always assumed pedophiles were like sociopaths who are immune to feeling humiliation.

Only so many times can he say "You're on Hansen VS Predator" with a straight face.

[video=youtube;FQ83XBojGUA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ83XBojGUA[/video] The guy just comes out of nowhere.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51106116]It's not entrapment because they're not seeking these people out and actively engaging with them. They're setting up and letting them come to the police. Because the police aren't initiating the interactions, they're not influencing anyone to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.[/QUOTE] It's not necessarily that simple, as Brian Montopoli wrote a decade ago [quote]One of the objections to the program is that it's engaging in entrapment. It's an issue Stone Phillips took up on the "Dateline" blog. "In many cases, the decoy is the first to bring up the subject of sex. However, the transcripts show that once the hook is baited, the fish jump and run with it like you wouldn't believe," he writes. Later, he writes this: [I]Enticement? Yes. Entrapment. I don't think so. The closer I look at the online conversations (which are available on Perverted Justice's Web site) the more obvious it becomes that these men are not first-timers when it comes to engaging minors in graphic online chats. They tend to be remarkably matter-of-fact in their approach, as if it is part of an all too regular routine.[/I] I'm not sure how this explanation satisfactorily addresses the question. Phillips says it's not entrapment because it seems to him the men have done this before. But I can't see the relevance of Phillips' hunch. It seems to me that "Dateline" is indeed entrapping the men by having the decoys, at least some of the time, bring up the subject of sex and later invite the men to the house for a sexual encounter. I don't necessarily object to this method in extreme cases such as this. But if you accept the traditional legal definition of entrapment – that one is entrapped when "induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit" – than Phillips' defense raises questions, because it was often the decoys who first suggested the crime. And let's keep in mind that the producers of "Dateline" are not law enforcement officers. If they, as members of the media, can be considered the officers' agents, that raises a whole new set of questions. But back to Phillips' argument: He writes that because (he thinks) the men have engaged minors in graphic chats before, they can be enticed to the house by any means necessary. That's a Machiavellian argument, and not necessarily an incorrect one, depending on your perspective. But it is not an unassailable response to the charge of entrapment. [/quote] Let's not forget the time someone committed suicide because of them and their methods (and as a result of their operations in that whole area, all of the people they caught (or entrapped depending on your POV) did not have charges pursued because the DA felt they had overstepped their bounds because they're not Law Enforcement - but rather doing it for ratings. 23 cases dropped). The show blurs the line between entrapment and doing things legally, primarily tbh because it's done for entertainment. The police do this all the time, but that's because they're actually equipped to handle it within our legal system (that's their job). Or how the founder of "Perverted Justice" spent much of the money funneled into his non-profit organization on himself, friends, and family.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51106139]it's eerie watching them sob when they are caught. i always assumed pedophiles were like sociopaths who are immune to feeling humiliation.[/QUOTE] IIRC the last guy didn't seem that remorseful for what he did before and after being caught (diddling a kid months prior then attempting to diddle another), which makes him stand out from the other two guys (plus the fact it's not his first time doing this kind of thing like locking the doors and such). That guy is the eeriest of the three imo.

jared should have been on this show that would be the best south park episode

[QUOTE=bdd458;51106353]IThe show blurs the line between entrapment and doing things legally, primarily tbh because it's done for entertainment. The police do this all the time, but that's because they're actually equipped to handle it within our legal system (that's their job).[/QUOTE] It's more along the lines of obstruction of justice than it is entrapment. How they catch them is fine, but the issue is how the show interferes with due process.

There's some [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8u-mWif8s"]Vanu Sovereignty Music[/URL] in episode 1 at around 2 minutes in. :v:

you know, all the bad tactics employed by perverted justice is likely why they switched to this new group this new group also seems to know how to talk like a real human being now

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~ [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] Also, no. He had all of that shit in his trunk because he's a vet... Maybe if he had a few buckets of lye, a shovel, yards of plastic-wrap, etc. This guy is just a fucking perv, that's all.[/QUOTE] Please look up the definition of entrapment and then slap yourself. The organization posing as the young girls never contact anyone, never make any requests. They don't lead them on or lie. The pedophile is initiating every single step. It would be entrapment if someone were to trick them into getting into this situation. An example of entrapment: "Hey, please give me those secret company documents" "But they are very top-secret, no." "please, if you do not give me those documents, bad people are going to hurt my family" "Okay here you go" [i]Police officer cuffs person from behind[/i] "You are hereby under arrest for leaking trade secrets." The idea behind entrapment is convincing someone to do something they wouldn't do normally.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;51103668]this show always made me nauseous but I still kept on watching anyways.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Good show. Really hope these guys are getting mental help and aren't just being charged with whatever these actions would entail. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] Christ man, the guy in the second episode seems like he needs it more than anything else in the world. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] Really want to see an episode where the suspect starts chastising the actor/bait for being foolish enough to let some random stranger in their home, and the dangers it could have.

I love how they all had clear foreheads so you can see the layers of sweat stack up over time