Hansen VS Predator: Can you take a seat right over there? - General

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;51105919]I think there's nothing wrong with televising this. It's a good way to compound on people that this is a bad thing for someone to do.[/QUOTE] but it's not like most people don't know that getting in bed with minors is bad

Oh man, that second episode. [I]Hey, Boo.[/I]

This show is disgusting.

the only problem I've ever really had with the show is that hansen always tells the dude he's free to go and lets them walk out of the house, only to have them tackled like they're actively resisting arrest/running from the cops when they walk out the door. The dudes don't exactly deserve much respect, but come [i]on[/i]

[QUOTE=dai;51107583]only to have them tackled like they're actively resisting arrest/running from the cops[/QUOTE] I think it's more like just being sure to nab them quickly so they can't possibly try anything. Any one of these guys could have a gun or a knife. It's already shown by that point that they're a potentially dangerous person, so it's wise to take precautions and grab 'em quick.

[QUOTE=Shugo;51107590]I think it's more like just being sure to nab them quickly so they can't possibly try anything. Any one of these guys could have a gun or a knife. It's already shown by that point that they're a potentially dangerous person, so it's wise to take precautions and grab 'em quick.[/QUOTE] I mean like, just have the cops come into the room like the camera crew at the end so they don't even have time to prepare an exit strategy like drawing weapons or making a mad dash? The naked dude even had the opportunity to put his clothes back on before walking out. Even then, surely they know they're about to take the walk of shame straight into the cops' arms if they recognized hansen, despite him telling them they're free to go. It just seems like they're toying with the suspect for sake of a cool action shot of them getting taken down, which while pretty deserved, still feels like it's stepping on some conduct boundaries Maybe there's just a weird law where the cops specifically can't enter the home until after an admission of guilt, or other factors in operating within the house?

Hansen seems to have an intrusive nature, outside of predator hunting. [video=youtube;bqx3Zqp1IJA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqx3Zqp1IJA[/video] I don't know the complete context of this video, but it seems uncool to show up to someone and remind them that they are an ex-con.

Okay look, sexual predators are not good people. That doesn't have to be said or clarified, really. Once you make the choice to do something like this, you can't sob and expect anyone to be obligated to feel sorry for you. But this is disgusting. I'll admit I can't say for certain, but I would wager that most predators like this aren't sociopathic inhumane monsters stalking outside pre-schools, they're just people with a horrific urge they're too weak to control. If you're gonna put 'em in jail, sure. I can understand that. If you're going to separate them from society and give them the psychiatric help they need before they can hurt anyone, that's great, even better. But airing their arrest and exposing their identity to the entire world, publicly shaming them, not to make any sort of point- but for entertainment? That's awful. This is revenge porn.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108576]Okay look, sexual predators are not good people. That doesn't have to be said or clarified, really. Once you make the choice to do something like this, you can't sob and expect anyone to be obligated to feel sorry for you. But this is disgusting. I'll admit I can't say for certain, but I would wager that most predators like this aren't sociopathic inhumane monsters stalking outside pre-schools, they're just people with a horrific urge they're too weak to control. If you're gonna put 'em in jail, sure. I can understand that. If you're going to separate them from society and give them the psychiatric help they need before they can hurt anyone, that's great, even better. But airing their arrest and exposing their identity to the entire world, publicly shaming them, not to make any sort of point- but for entertainment? That's awful. This is revenge porn.[/QUOTE] While I agree with you about the show team's intent, in practice it's not a whole lot different from having a public list of sex offenders and forcing everyone on it to announce to their neighbors when they've moved in.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51108695]While I agree with you about the show team's intent, in practice it's not a whole lot different from having a public list of sex offenders and forcing everyone on it to announce to their neighbors when they've moved in.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I think the fact that that's for information's sake and this is for entertainment's sake is a pretty significant factor. That information is restricted to employers, neighbors, and anyone who has reason to look it up, people that may have legitimate concerns. This is catching them in the act, capturing their reaction to being caught, and their capture by the police for television. It feels more cruel than justice, at least to me.

You guys are fucking nannies i swear, the fact some of you are getting seriously in a tissy over TCAP is hilarious Chris Hansen is a master of his craft and it's always nice to see the crazy bastard get the lock on some kiddie diddlers

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108723]I dunno, I think the fact that that's for information's sake and this is for entertainment's sake is a pretty significant factor. That information is restricted to employers, neighbors, and anyone who has reason to look it up, people that may have legitimate concerns. This is catching them in the act, capturing their reaction to being caught, and their capture by the police for television. It feels more cruel than justice, at least to me.[/QUOTE] Agreed. There's a difference between sharing information with relevent/applicable parties, and this. I dislike COPS for the same reason.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51108752]You guys are fucking nannies i swear, the fact some of you are getting seriously in a tissy over TCAP is hilarious Chris Hansen is a master of his craft and it's always nice to see the crazy bastard get the lock on some kiddie diddlers[/QUOTE] Man, no. Fuck that. People get really worked up over sexual predators and I get it, it's one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit. But these guys are mentally ill. They're not demons summoned from hell to snatch up our children, they're people with really serious issues. It disturbs the [I]fuck[/I] out of me that you can't say anything at [I]all[/I] in defense of people like this without being dog-piled and accused of being one of them in secret. Do they deserve some kind of punishment? Restrictions on what they're allowed to do even after release? Yeah! Should they be killed by vigilante lynch mobs or used for entertainment purposes on national television? No!

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108789]Man, no. Fuck that. People get really worked up over sexual predators and I get it, it's one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit. But these guys are mentally ill. They're not demons summoned from hell to snatch up our children, they're people with really serious issues. It disturbs the [I]fuck[/I] out of me that you can't say anything at [I]all[/I] in defense of people like this without being dog-piled and accused of being one of them in secret. Do they deserve some kind of punishment? Restrictions on what they're allowed to do even after release? Yeah! Should they be killed by vigilante lynch mobs or used for entertainment purposes on national television? No![/QUOTE] The problem isn't that you're defending pedophiles, the problem is that you're defending pedophiles who are specifically seeking out children to harm The people on this show are too far gone for "well they're not bad people, they're just sick!", you lose the right to be called a good person the moment you decide you're actually going to go out and try and rape a child

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;51108954]You're missing the point. These people with issues that are caught like this have taken their mental illness to unacceptable action by any standard. While you may say that they need help, and they do, they still have committed an illegal action. They are not under arrest for being a pedophile, they are under arrest for showing up to a minors house with intent to commit a crime, and for breaking laws in chats (ie. nude pics to minors). While you may say that this is evidence that mental health is not treated well enough in america and allows these individuals to go without help before they are driven to commit these actions, they still committed these actions are should be held accountable.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=hoodoo456;51109466]The problem isn't that you're defending pedophiles, the problem is that you're defending pedophiles who are specifically seeking out children to harm The people on this show are too far gone for "well they're not bad people, they're just sick!", you lose the right to be called a good person the moment you decide you're actually going to go out and try and rape a child[/QUOTE] I think you two are both missing that he's not referring to specifically the people on the show, but rather pedophiles in general.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;51108954]You're missing the point. These people with issues that are caught like this have taken their mental illness to unacceptable action by any standard. While you may say that they need help, and they do, they still have committed an illegal action. They are not under arrest for being a pedophile, they are under arrest for showing up to a minors house with intent to commit a crime, and for breaking laws in chats (ie. nude pics to minors). While you may say that this is evidence that mental health is not treated well enough in america and allows these individuals to go without help before they are driven to commit these actions, they still committed these actions are should be held accountable.[/QUOTE] This is actually exactly what I'm talking about. Nowhere did I ever defend the actions of the people in these videos or their arrests, but I'm condemning the show itself anyway because it's [I]needless.[/I] If they just set up the sting operation and had them caught, that would be fine- it's the usage of their arrest as a sort of televised justice porn that I take issue with. I don't care that they're bad people, it's dehumanizing and it's not what the justice system should be about. [QUOTE=hoodoo456;51109466]The problem isn't that you're defending pedophiles, the problem is that you're defending pedophiles who are specifically seeking out children to harm The people on this show are too far gone for "well they're not bad people, they're just sick!", you lose the right to be called a good person the moment you decide you're actually going to go out and try and rape a child[/QUOTE] Never once said they weren't bad people either- in fact, I flat-out said they WERE bad people. Again, at no point did I say "they shouldn't get arrested at all, they just need psychiatric care!" All I said was "It's gross that they're filming the arrests and the perp's subsequent breakdown and televising them for entertainment purposes." I don't think doing this is okay just because they're bad people that were going to do bad things.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108789]Man, no. Fuck that. People get really worked up over sexual predators and I get it, it's one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit. But these guys are mentally ill. They're not demons summoned from hell to snatch up our children, they're people with really serious issues. It disturbs the [I]fuck[/I] out of me that you can't say anything at [I]all[/I] in defense of people like this without being dog-piled and accused of being one of them in secret. Do they deserve some kind of punishment? Restrictions on what they're allowed to do even after release? Yeah! Should they be killed by vigilante lynch mobs or used for entertainment purposes on national television? No![/QUOTE] idk i think it's pretty damn funny and so dont many people so honestly entertainment fits pretty well

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51109948]idk i think it's pretty damn funny and so dont many people so honestly entertainment fits pretty well[/QUOTE] Just because people find something funny and ok doesn't actually mean it should be done.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;51105024]Legal entrapment~ [/QUOTE] Pretty sure he spells it out pretty clearly that there's no legitimate baiting going on. Their girl makes a profile and idles waiting for messages. [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=bdd458;51110095]Just because people find something funny and ok doesn't actually mean it should be done.[/QUOTE] I have no qualms with laughing at a kiddy-fucker being found out as a kiddy fucker. If you have a problem, then acknowledge it and seek help, don't just wait for someone to find you out and THEN start going on with your sob story, and most of all don't be a fucking predator. [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51105678]The thing that still bothers me the most about this show is that it showcases people who need actual psychiatric help and instead of providing them with the assistance they need to turn their life around, they're thrown at the wolves, ridiculed on TV, depicted as literal inhumane monsters, and made a profit on, all the while being as fear-mongering as humanly possible. It's like one giant example of why the American justice system's a complete fucking joke. Don't fix shit, just make reality TV on it and make some cash while people with genuine mental issues are thrown in jail like animals. Don't give them a chance to recover if they ever get out because they A) didn't get the help they actually needed and B) had their face plastered uncensored for the whole world to see so everyone knows who to ostracize.[/QUOTE] If you have a condition such as this and need psychiatric help, and don't seek psychiatric help [i]and[/i] act on your urges, you're still a piece of shit. As if these guys [I]just[/I] realized they need help just because they are caught and on TV. Give me a break. And who cares if their face is on TV???? There's a reason you have to register as a sex offender.

When ppl start replying to multiple posts at once and thread's impossible to follow.

Yooo ep2 11:00 That's not wrinkled with worry he turned into a fucking Klingon

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51110099]I have no qualms with laughing at a kiddy-fucker being found out as a kiddy fucker. If you have a problem, then acknowledge it and seek help, don't just wait for someone to find you out and THEN start going on with your sob story, and most of all don't be a fucking predator. [editline]26th September 2016[/editline] If you have a condition such as this and need psychiatric help, and don't seek psychiatric help [i]and[/i] act on your urges, you're still a piece of shit. As if these guys [I]just[/I] realized they need help just because they are caught and on TV. Give me a break. And who cares if their face is on TV???? There's a reason you have to register as a sex offender.[/QUOTE] It seems to me that people like you have never been around someone with severe psychological issues. You seem to think they can just tell their friends and family that they're attracted to children and everything will be sunshine and rainbows from there on out. It's not even that easy for things like alcohol or drug addiction. Any pedophile that comes out with their mental issues can expect to be instantly ostracized and hated by virtually everyone they know and care about. And usually, they know that. It's no coincidence that most of these people feel an extreme deep-seeded fear of being found out. Saying that pedophiles, or anyone else with serious psychological issues, should simply "seek help or they're a piece of shit" is simply gross stupidity and ignorance. While they [b]do[/b] need to seek help and they [b]do[/b] need rehabilitation, it just is not that simple.

Cannot take this seriously at all after noticing the similarities between this and Spagett. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyh3C1xDT3Y[/media] Now Hansen's show is pretty much a dark comedy for me. Already had enough trouble taking him seriously after these fucking videos: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeU-VoOi7iU[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5alLUeNhJg[/media]

[QUOTE=Paramud;51110569]Saying that pedophiles, or anyone else with serious psychological issues, should simply "seek help or they're a piece of shit" is simply gross stupidity and ignorance.[/QUOTE] "If you... don't seek psychiatric help [B]and act on your urges[/B], you're still a piece of shit."

[QUOTE=Paramud;51110569]It seems to me that people like you have never been around someone with severe psychological issues. You seem to think they can just tell their friends and family that they're attracted to children and everything will be sunshine and rainbows from there on out. It's not even that easy for things like alcohol or drug addiction. Any pedophile that comes out with their mental issues can expect to be instantly ostracized and hated by virtually everyone they know and care about. And usually, they know that. It's no coincidence that most of these people feel an extreme deep-seeded fear of being found out. Saying that pedophiles, or anyone else with serious psychological issues, should simply "seek help or they're a piece of shit" is simply gross stupidity and ignorance. While they [b]do[/b] need to seek help and they [b]do[/b] need rehabilitation, it just is not that simple.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BOXHOUND;51110588]"If you... don't seek psychiatric help [B]and act on your urges[/B], you're still a piece of shit."[/QUOTE] thanks boxhound Also ,If they have the ambition to lure and go to the houses of minors they sure as hell have the ambition to talk to a psychiatrist who keeps everything confidential.

i don't really see how you could defend the pedophiles in these shows. they're showing up with intent to rape a kid. this and TCAP are kind of sleazy and questionable (though hilarious) but it's hard to feel bad for a guy who was gunning on permanently damaging a kid psychologically

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108789]Man, no. Fuck that. People get really worked up over sexual predators and I get it, it's one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit. But these guys are mentally ill. They're not demons summoned from hell to snatch up our children, they're people with really serious issues. It disturbs the [I]fuck[/I] out of me that you can't say anything at [I]all[/I] in defense of people like this without being dog-piled and accused of being one of them in secret. Do they deserve some kind of punishment? Restrictions on what they're allowed to do even after release? Yeah! Should they be killed by vigilante lynch mobs or used for entertainment purposes on national television? No![/QUOTE] Heres the thing with pedophiles. There are often pedophiles who know what they think that gets them on is "terrible" and they really want to find help in dealing with that problem. The show itself is entertaining since its capturing the other half of pedophiles who dont seek help but instead embrace the "bad stuff".

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51108723]I dunno, I think the fact that that's for information's sake and this is for entertainment's sake is a pretty significant factor. That information is restricted to employers, neighbors, and anyone who has reason to look it up, people that may have legitimate concerns. This is catching them in the act, capturing their reaction to being caught, and their capture by the police for television. It feels more cruel than justice, at least to me.[/QUOTE] This show is a symptom of a larger societal issue. It's really all about language and perspective, we call them child [I]predators[/I], not just law-breakers or criminals but predators. It places others in the mindset of a hunter; it isn't a human being that diddles children you're chasing, its a faceless inhuman entity that kidnaps and rapes children for sadistic pleasure. Once that connection is made (and it's very easy to make, go look at humanity's many many wars if you want to see how easily we dehumanize the 'opposition') it becomes a matter of efficiently cracking down and destroying this threat by any means, it goes from a human relationship to a vicious predator-prey relationship. It's like being put on the manhunt for a serial killer, only this serial killer hasn't killed anyone yet. Shows like this will exist, and so will war, racism, and general hatred until we learn to stop dehumanizing people into nothing more than labels, but god knows that'll never happen. Specifically in the case of child predators, its that extreme fear of being found out and hounded by society at large that motivates alot of them to stay quiet and simply try to ignore their urges, which is likely one of the worst things you can do with such a mental illness. They believe themselves to be monsters and that noone would understand, so they box it up until they can't anymore; this leads to them falling prey to shows like this, committing actual crimes (which is still unforgivable), or simply taking their own lives in some misguided attempt to save others or even themselves from those urges.

the first guy they got was going to rape and kill the kid do you think he wants therapy?

I thought it was kind of ridiculous how brutal the police was before, charging the offender with special equipment. These seem to keep it efficient and clean.