Could always have a voting system like it is here in Northern Ireland, where you pick your top 5 (?) candidates for MLAs. You pick them in order of preference. I think it then works out proportionally to the the "rating" of preferences as to how the MLAs get their seats.
So, for example, in an NI election, I could vote:
1. Alliance.
2. UUP.
3. Green.
4. Conservative.
5. DUP.
I think that's how it works.
So in the case of Westminster elections in England, you could have a similar system, voting in order of preference.
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Single Transferrable Vote, that's what it's called:
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47606608]My dad and I took that UK "who do I stand with" thing.
I got Conservatives, he got UKIP.
Is this bad[/QUOTE]
There's no real 'bad' party. Obviously, it's still up to you who to vote for- remember that manifestos don't necessarily reflect what the parties [I]will[/I] do. You have to use a combination of past knowledge and common sense for that. For instance, I'm voting Green even though I don't agree with some of their more extreme policies, because I know that those extreme policies won't get in.
[QUOTE=Deng;47606537]If that is the case, then why is it that the two major parties are struggling to remain in power, despite no voting reform?
Labour is losing hard in traditional safe seats, while the conservatives have had to join with the libdems to stay in power.[/QUOTE]Well this is the first year that that's really a thing. It happened a bit with the Lib Dems last year but not really. Also, if you think they're struggling to remain in power now - it'd be a lot worse with voting reform.
Apparently if Labour get the most seats they're going to rule as a minority government. According to Miliband they will just put out a Queen's Speech and let the other parties decide how to vote.
[editline]27th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47598107]Wow you guys have your elections really early in the year[/QUOTE]
What does this even mean?
[QUOTE=smurfy;47611311]Apparently if Labour get the most seats they're going to rule as a minority government. According to Miliband they will just put out a Queen's Speech and let the other parties decide how to vote.
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I can't wait for 5 years of Labour and the SNP playing Chicken on every vote, both daring to vote each other down. It's going to be 1974-79 all over again.
[QUOTE=smurfy;47611311]Apparently if Labour get the most seats they're going to rule as a minority government. According to Miliband they will just put out a Queen's Speech and let the other parties decide how to vote.
[editline]27th April 2015[/editline]
What does this even mean?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing he's referring to how in the US elections tend to be November/December time
but the elections are at the same time of year every time so it's a pointless comment
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;47613135]I'm guessing he's referring to how in the US elections tend to be November/December time
but the elections are at the same time of year every time so it's a pointless comment[/QUOTE]
No I'm just saying that you guys have it early in the year and it's just odd to me, sheesh
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47613908]No I'm just saying that you guys have it early in the year and it's just odd to me, sheesh[/QUOTE]
It's traditional.
Like how the chancellor of the exchequer carries around that red case that makes all our lives a misery in some form.
[QUOTE=Freeze;47606668]Well this is the first year that that's really a thing. It happened a bit with the Lib Dems last year but not really. Also, if you think they're struggling to remain in power now - it'd be a lot worse with voting reform.[/QUOTE]
Actually the tories would gain about 10 seats in Scotland lol. The tories in Scotland have generally always been about 15-20% of the voting base, but due to the way constituencies work they haven't been getting MPs.
[QUOTE=Deng;47614829]Actually the tories would gain about 10 seats in Scotland lol. The tories in Scotland have generally always been about 15-20% of the voting base, but due to the way constituencies work they haven't been getting MPs.[/QUOTE]Yeah.
In Scotland.
They'd most likely lose more than ten seats in England.
[QUOTE=Freeze;47616981]Yeah.
In Scotland.
They'd most likely lose more than ten seats in England.[/QUOTE]
What I mean is that the tories have more support in Scotland than is typically assumed.
Speaking of Scottish conservatives, there was a Tory/Green debate on the news a couple of weeks ago (due to both parties publishing their manifestos on the same day). They had a bunch of people on Skype, including this Glaswegian conservative:
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I mean, why bother putting on a suit if you're going to conduct the call in a single bedroom full of whisky?
Now, I'm completely ignorant of most of the politics in the UK, and I'd like to see a Brit's point of view on the whole thing, so please bear with the stupidity of the questions.
What would be the benefits/detractions of the Scottish Nationalists gaining a majority in, well, Scotland? And have their numbers/running messages changed with the referendum failing?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47618643]Now, I'm completely ignorant of most of the politics in the UK, and I'd like to see a Brit's point of view on the whole thing, so please bear with the stupidity of the questions.
What would be the benefits/detractions of the Scottish Nationalists gaining a majority in, well, Scotland? And have their numbers/running messages changed with the referendum failing?[/QUOTE]
Support for the SNP skyrocketed after the referendum. At the 2010 election, they won 6 seats in Scotland. This time, it's expected they'll win at least 50, with [url=http://may2015.com/featured/election-2015-stunning-ashcroft-polls-show-the-snp-could-win-every-seat-in-scotland/]some news sites reporting they may win all 59[/url].
The biggest complaint people have about the SNP in Westminster is that they're a Scotland-only party. Scotland has its own parliament which since 1999 has independently governed matters such as health and education. Needles to say, the rest of the UK commons don't get a say on these issues. But SNP MPs in Westminster [I]would[/I] be able to vote on these issues for the rest of the UK, which many believe is unfair.
There are also people who say that the main reason the SNP are aiming for more power in Westminster is to champion another referendum, even though the party have denied it's something they're looking at (it wasn't in their manifesto for instance).
The SNP themselves have said their priority in this election is to end austerity by slowly increasing spending, and they've reached out to other more liberal parties. However, the major parties have refused to consider any form of coalition after the election (even though in Labour's case it would likely get them the majority they so desperately want), saying that the SNP's main aim is to break up the UK.
Again, I apologize for the questions. Your way of governing is drastically different than it is here, but I really want to educate myself on it.
So here's another one:
Looking at a map on May2015.com, there's a large tossup between the Conservative and Labour parties, but neither having the "required majority" (if I'm reading that right.)
What does this mean exactly for the outcome of the elections? What happens to the parties that get less seats, do they just sit on the sidelines with less seats and hope for better luck next time?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47619049]Again, I apologize for the questions. Your way of governing is drastically different than it is here, but I really want to educate myself on it.
So here's another one:
Looking at a map on May2015.com, there's a large tossup between the Conservative and Labour parties, but neither having the "required majority" (if I'm reading that right.)
What does this mean exactly for the outcome of the elections? What happens to the parties that get less seats, do they just sit on the sidelines with less seats and hope for better luck next time?[/QUOTE]
Well a Hung Parliament happens when no party gains a majority of seats, meaning some of them need to cobble together a coalition to get a majority, therefor gaining a ruling majority in parliament.
[editline]28th April 2015[/editline]
The parties that get less seats can still swing votes and to be honest the 'coalition' will always have a spat, back-benchers wont vote or vote against the rest of their party, etc etc.
Take the famous 'Lib Dem we won't raise tuition fees' vote where they became ultimate traitor bastards and went in deep with the conservatives and voted to raise it to 9K a year, while some did vote against or not vote it still screwed us royally, despite a pledge from the Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg he wouldn't vote to raise the limit.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47619179]Well a Hung Parliament happens when no party gains a majority of seats, meaning some of them need to cobble together a coalition to get a majority, therefor gaining a ruling majority in parliament.[/QUOTE]
I've heard the term Hung Parliament used before but never really looked into what it meant, but thank you for explaining it
[QUOTE=Cabbalistic;47606594]Tomorrow's Telegraph
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[URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders"]Too bad it has the Conservative Campaign's finger prints all over it.[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MachiniOs;47619243][URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders"]Too bad it has the Conservative Campaign's finger prints all over it.[/URL]
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Oh dear
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[QUOTE]Oli3TB76 1 day ago
Omnishambles[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;47619243][URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders"]Too bad it has the Conservative Campaign's finger prints all over it.[/URL]
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Is there any way to remove or forge this metadata?
[QUOTE=Grizz;47619387]Oh dear
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRWw9C7Nm9I[/media][/QUOTE]
That made me laugh quite a bit, what a fucking shambles. BBC seem to be doing really well this election when it comes to coverage and looking at facts and policies.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;47620397]That made me laugh quite a bit, what a fucking shambles. BBC seem to be doing really well this election when it comes to coverage and looking at facts and policies.[/QUOTE]
The fact that Andrew Neil is the fuckin' [I]man[/I] may also have something to do with it
The Tory promise to legislate a ban on tax rises has already come around to bite the Chancellor. His words from 2009:
[QUOTE]No other chancellor in the long history of the office has felt the need to pass a law in order to convince people he has the political will to implement his own Budget.[/QUOTE]
Completely vacuous. But their campaign has been desperate and needlessly negative from the start.
[QUOTE]UK #GE2015 seats projection, YouGov:
LAB-S&D: 277 (+22)
CON-ECR: 270 (-32)
SNP-GREEN: 50 (+43)
LD-ALDE: 27 (-29)
Plaid-GREEN: 3 (0)[/QUOTE]
Labour on course for major decline in Scotland.
[QUOTE]SNP 54%
Labour 20%
Con 17%
LD 5%
Green 2%
UKIP 1%[/QUOTE]
We were just talking about how our current voting system was bad and I said Labour/Conservatives would never agree to change it since it benefits them too much.
Maybe after this year they might change their mind:
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Even as someone who supports the SNP I can agree that them (hypothetically) getting 100% of the seats in Scotland when only having 54% of the votes is stupid.
Ian Hislop on the Miliband and Sturgeon "stealing the election" out from under the British public.
[QUOTE][I]They're going to steal the election by having lots of people vote for them.... boooooooooooo.."[/I][/QUOTE]
:v:
I would vote Labour because I agree with most of their policies but I just can't bring myself to trust them after what's happened in the past. I know they're trying to be more like pre-70s Labour but it's too early for me to trust them. That and Jim Murphy is a fucking dick.
I'm Voting SNP. I just hope to god we don't get stuck with Conservatives or UKIP, or even worse another coalition. The last coalition just sort of fizzled out and Nick Clegg became the most irrelevant politician in the UK. I'm not very fond of the Lib Dems after that tuition fee stunt they pulled but even they would be better than Conservatives or UKIP.
[editline]29th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Freeze;47624047]We were just talking about how our current voting system was bad and I said Labour/Conservatives would never agree to change it since it benefits them too much.
Maybe after this year they might change their mind:
Even as someone who supports the SNP I can agree that them (hypothetically) getting 100% of the seats in Scotland when only having 54% of the votes is stupid.[/QUOTE]
Your probably right, if this does go south for the Conservatives it can be almost guaranteed that changing the voting system will be in their next GE manifesto.
[editline]29th April 2015[/editline]
That or it will just get passed through anyway, because you know, House of Lords are a thing.
It's honestly a real shame that the Lib Dems don't want to work with the SNP - I think as a force together they'd be pretty good since they both generally want pretty fair policies in place.
SNP with 100% of the seats would be a disaster, they'd just use it to press the independence thing hard and constantly fuck with work in Westminster.
I doubt they'd fuck with work in Westminster - they clearly want what's best for all countries, not just Scotland (even if Scotland is their main priority).
[QUOTE=Freeze;47625332]I doubt they'd fuck with work in Westminster - they clearly want what's best for all countries, not just Scotland (even if Scotland is their main priority).[/QUOTE]
Well their main policy is to break up the United Kingdom, and considering that I'm a British national, I find myself rather opposed to the idea of having my home split up into two countries.
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