[QUOTE=Jallen;47632545]Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not a UKIP supporter and I don't necessarily agree with what they'd do with the money instead. I just think that with the current financial situation, it's not unreasonable to stop or at least reduce giving away tax payer money which has been collected from UK citizens for the UK government.
My point was that what Farage said on those particular points wasn't the terrible crime against humanity that many seemed to make them out to be, but instead just points of view on the responsibilities of the UK government and their right to give away money in a time of our own financial need.[/QUOTE]What do you even mean by our 'current financial situation'? Sure it's not amazing but it's not exactly the end of the world, either. The majority of the people in our country can eat and have a place to live. In the places we send that aid to a lot of people don't even have [I]clean drinking water[/I]. If you honestly think that spending 0.7% of our money on helping those people is too much I don't even know what to say.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;47632548]con/snp coalition, calling it now[/QUOTE]
Opposites don't attract [I]that[/I] much :v:
[QUOTE=Freeze;47631018]I do think that Farage/UKIP in general are racist but I also agree that sometimes people dismiss their points because of that, even if they had nothing to do that.
I've always said that it's a shame Farage stands for horrible policies because he's a good leader.[/QUOTE]
The former leader of UKIP has claimed Farage referred to black people as 'nig-nogs'
[URL]http://www.vice.com/en_uk/video/al-zebabist-nation-of-ooog-election-15-329[/URL]
The link is unrelated but hillarious
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47632705]The former leader of UKIP has claimed Farage referred to black people as 'nig-nogs'
[url]http://www.vice.com/en_uk/video/al-zebabist-nation-of-ooog-election-15-329[/url][/QUOTE]
Ah yes, Vice, that credible news source which writes articles about people in Scotland like it's some sort of poor person safari for them
Russell Brand is sort-of endorsing the Greens (he says at the end people in Brighton should vote for Caroline Lucas).
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OISY8hFVPVI[/media]
Also natbens voice is hilarious, only she would be unlucky enough to get so ill the week before the election.
That joke from Cameron on Question Time
someone wake me when david cameron actually answers a question
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;47632877]Ah yes, Vice, that credible news source which writes articles about people in Scotland like it's some sort of poor person safari for them[/QUOTE]
The link is unrelated but good job bucko!
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster[/url]
Is a guardian interview enough for you?
[B]Post-QT Guardian/ICM Snap Poll[/B]
Cameron - 44%
Miliband - 38%
Clegg - 19%
Nicola Sturgeon is also receiving a grilling: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone?area=scotland[/url]
Would've been nice if the audience asked questions on Nick Clegg's party policies rather than being edgy and saying "lol ur losin ur job m8." Didn't see Cameron, but Ed Milliband was good.
Miliband essentially ruled himself out as a Prime Minister by refusing any deals with anyone, all the seat projections show that Labour will have fewer seats than the Conservatives which means that without any SNP support Ed Miliband won't be able to form the next government.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47634025]Miliband essentially ruled himself out as a Prime Minister by refusing any deals with anyone, all the seat projections show that Labour will have fewer seats than the Conservatives which means that without any SNP support Ed Miliband won't be able to form the next government.[/QUOTE]
He knows the SNP won't support a second Cameron term and will be relying on them, outside of a coalition, to support a Labour Minority.
Shaky times ahead.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;47634064][IMG]https://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/uk2015?name=You&ec=3.13&soc=-5.03[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Ok BNP are definitely not far right enough there
[QUOTE=Grizz;47634075]He knows the SNP won't support a second Cameron term and will be relying on them, outside of a coalition, to support a Labour Minority.[/QUOTE]
How would that look though?
Labour despite not having the most seats (or presumably votes either) and being >45 seats short of a majority gets to form the government, that hasn't ever happened in British electoral history as far as I know and if he did try it he'd get crucified by the press.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47634096]Ok BNP are definitely not far right enough there[/QUOTE]
BNP are quite populist and reactionary in terms of economic policy.
Saying far-right would mean that that chart would just consist of the x axis.
It goes a little deeper.
In a [I]really surprising[/I] turn of events, the latest YouGov poll has flipped back around yet again.
[QUOTE]CON 34% (-1)
LAB 35% (+1)
LD 8% (-1)
UKIP 12% (-)
GRN 5% (+1)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grizz;47634245]In a [I]really surprising[/I] turn of events, the latest YouGov poll has flipped back around yet again.[/QUOTE]
It's important to mention that in terms of percentage the Conservatives are doing better now than they were at the same point during the 2010 election and that in the last week of that election they surged to 36-37%.
It's reasonable to assume that such an increase should happen this time.
I will be voting UKIP, people who say we who are voting UKIP are racist and idiots are actually ignorant themselves. I've not actually seen anyone on here actually explain why UKIP's policies won't work and it's been said about 200 times now that Farage wants immigrants who actually provide the skills needed to the UK, not ones who come to the country with no skills or anything of use to British Society.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47634267]I will be voting UKIP, people who say we who are voting UKIP are racist and idiots are actually ignorant themselves. I've not actually seen anyone on here actually explain why UKIP's policies won't work and it's been said about 200 times now that Farage wants immigrants who actually provide the skills needed to the UK, not ones who come to the country with no skills or anything of use to British Society.[/QUOTE]
My main problem is that a lot of it hinges on 'We'll leave the EU and then get basically the same trade deal we had before' which Merkin will most likely say no to, or massively renegotiate, that and the repealing of the climate change act and removal of green subsidies
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;47632877]Ah yes, Vice, that credible news source which writes articles about people in Scotland like it's some sort of poor person safari for them[/QUOTE]
what articles are like that?
What's the "United Kingdom"?
[editline]30th April 2015[/editline]
I feel out of the loop...
If Labour let the Conservatives into power due to rejecting the SNP's help they will never be forgiven.
[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47634096]Ok BNP are definitely not far right enough there[/QUOTE]
Only if you take the commonly misconceived and wrong understanding of "right wing".
That graph is showing the economic left and right.
[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Freeze;47634515]If Labour let the Conservatives into power due to rejecting the SNP's help they will never be forgiven.[/QUOTE]
I support conservatives, but I would respect labour for rejecting SNP if they felt that SNP weren't in the country's best interests. It would be irresponsible to do a coalition with a party if you knew it wouldn't work well.
It's better to not be in power than be in power in the wrong circumstances. I know lib dems are the minority party in the current government, but regardless I am sure they've learned that lesson all too well. Their reputation has been savaged by their inability to meet promises within the coalition.
[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47634267]I will be voting UKIP, people who say we who are voting UKIP are racist and idiots are actually ignorant themselves. I've not actually seen anyone on here actually explain why UKIP's policies won't work and it's been said about 200 times now that Farage wants immigrants who actually provide the skills needed to the UK, not ones who come to the country with no skills or anything of use to British Society.[/QUOTE]
You sound like my hypothetical character "Dave" in my earlier post -
[quote]I'd like to prefix this post by saying I don't support UKIP and won't be voting UKIP.
As much as people love to demonise Farage, a lot of what he says is actually quite reasonable and I haven't ever seen him say anything racist, nor do I believe him to be so.
It is that demonisation of Farage and UKIP which has basically allowed their rise in popularity - because nobody really actually addresses what Farage says.
Imagine a typical British guy, Dave. Dave is watching Farage speak on TV, and he comes out with something which makes Dave think "hmm actually that sounds about right" and then the person he's saying it to goes on some self-righteous rant of which the gist is "you obviously hate foreigners". Dave listens to what they've said to Farage and thinks "but that doesn't address what he said at all...".
Dave is talking to his friends the next day and they end up talking about politics. UKIP is mentioned dismissively, the word "racist" is thrown in there. Dave doesn't understand what's racist about UKIP, but nothing in this conversation has changed his opinion of what he's heard Farage saying.
When Dave goes online later that day, he sees discussions on politics which echo the sentiment of his friends. UKIP is discussed off hand, with no real substance to rival his support of what he's heard Farage say.
On election day, Dave goes to the polls. He's never been presented with a reasonable argument as to why UKIP is a bad choice. He votes UKIP.
So I guess my message is this - To everybody who has just dismissively labelled UKIP / Farage as racist, xenophobic, anti-foreigner, stupid, or whatever - You have helped UKIP's rise in popularity.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;47634064][IMG]https://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/uk2015?name=You&ec=3.13&soc=-5.03[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This is a shitty graph from a shitty political quiz.
[QUOTE=Deng;47635801]This is a shitty graph from a shitty political quiz.[/QUOTE]
what's a good political quiz then, tough guy?
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;47634267]I will be voting UKIP, people who say we who are voting UKIP are racist and idiots are actually ignorant themselves. I've not actually seen anyone on here actually explain why UKIP's policies won't work and it's been said about 200 times now that Farage wants immigrants who actually provide the skills needed to the UK, not ones who come to the country with no skills or anything of use to British Society.[/QUOTE]It's not that they won't work, it's that they're awful policies morally. Read my post on the other page.
[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jallen;47634890]I support conservatives, but I would respect labour for rejecting SNP if they felt that SNP weren't in the country's best interests. It would be irresponsible to do a coalition with a party if you knew it wouldn't work well.
It's better to not be in power than be in power in the wrong circumstances. I know lib dems are the minority party in the current government, but regardless I am sure they've learned that lesson all too well. Their reputation has been savaged by their inability to meet promises within the coalition.[/QUOTE]Well obviously as a conservative you'd say that because you don't support Labour in the first place. I'm sure many people who support Labour over Conservatives would agree that it'd be in the country's best interest for a Labour + SNP coalition/deal considering they agree on a lot of things anyway and it'd be way better than letting the tories back in.
If you don't know who you're voting for yet, there's a great website: [url]https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/[/url]
It pretty much takes off the labels of the parties and you vote strictly for the policies without knowing who you're voting for, you'd be surprised at how you split between the parties!
[img]http://i.gyazo.com/ae2b925dcc28a66cbf40c9291bf15b13.png[/img]
note: my UKIP percentages were on the topics of Health/NHS & Democracy, nothing on Immigration. I was 100% committed to Labour before and this reinforced my doubts!
if labour reject a deal with the snp, a progressive left party not too dissimilar to labour, and let the conservatives, the polar opposites of labour into government, they will pretty much be dead to everyone in scotland, and potentially everyone in the uk.
gj ed, keep running your party into the ground. thank god i've got the snp to vote for here because i honestly dont think anyone else other than the greens in the uk would get my vote.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;47637749]if labour reject a deal with the snp, a progressive left party not too dissimilar to labour, and let the conservatives, the polar opposites of labour into government, they will pretty much be dead to everyone in scotland, and potentially everyone in the uk.
gj ed, keep running your party into the ground. thank god i've got the snp to vote for here because i honestly dont think anyone else other than the greens in the uk would get my vote.[/QUOTE]
Lol, Greens are a pretty terrible choice when you consider that their policies involve banning biotechnology and nuclear power.
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