hmmm
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[editline]1st May 2015[/editline]
but my trust in clegg is so low
[QUOTE=LMB10;47542015]^^I would certainly hope some of those UKIP votes aren't genuine.[/QUOTE]
ALL ALONG THE LIBERAL TRAAAAAIIIN
[QUOTE=Potaji;47640018][url]http://www.labour.org.uk/issues/detail/fair-wages[/url]
2020, sir. So yeh, you're getting a lower minimum wage.
Pointing out flaws are we? Ed Miliband got ripped apart yesterday and his fall at the end was honestly the best he performed. Its nice and all he would rather not be in government than be with the SNP but should you really be saying that? As far as I know, David Cameron has not said "no coalition will blah blah" and while yes he wants a majority, he sems aware that he may need to form a coalition to get back into government.
Even better, the entire concept of the Labour party is to help the working class and have the rich pay more yet most members are incredibly rich and Ed pretending he knows anything about being working class is pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Are you honestly saying that despite the last five years, when wages have been falling compared to inflation pretty much constantly, you fully expect the tories and their 'trickle-down' method of wage rises to pull off a reasonable minimum wage at any point in the next parliament? forgive me, but that's either some extremely wishful thinking or paying people properly just isn't a concern to you and you just want to shut down the debate.
Survation
[QUOTE]LAB - 34 (+5)
CON - 33 (=)
UKIP - 16 (-2)
LD - 9 (-1)
SNP - 4 (=)
GRE - 3 (-1)[/QUOTE]
ComRes
[QUOTE]Con 35%
Lab 35%
UKIP 11%
Lib Dem 7%
Green 6%[/QUOTE]
YouGov
[QUOTE]LAB - 34% (-1)
CON - 33% (-1)
UKIP - 14% (+2)
LDEM - 8% (-)
GRN - 5% (-)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grizz;47643748]Survation
ComRes
YouGov[/QUOTE]
I literally cannot understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea to vote for Labour when the inevitable result is a terribly unstable minority government completely unable to pass any legislation therefore unable to fulfill any election promises. Not only this but their leaders are useless with no credibility.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47644003]I literally cannot understand why anyone thinks it's a good idea to vote for Labour when the inevitable result is a terribly unstable minority government completely unable to pass any legislation therefore unable to fulfill any election promises. Not only this but their leaders are useless with no credibility.[/QUOTE]
And the conservatives haven't done half the shit they promised they would.
Can't we just agree to disagree that it'll be shit no matter [I]who[/I] we vote for?
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;47644263]And the conservatives haven't done half the shit they promised they would.
Can't we just agree to disagree that it'll be shit no matter [I]who[/I] we vote for?[/QUOTE]
I don't at all believe that the Conservatives will do everything that they've promised if they are returned to government but at least if they are returned they'll be able to do something, if Labour are elected they won't even be able to do anything that they've promised.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47644297]I don't at all believe that the Conservatives will do everything that they've promised if they are returned to government but at least if they are returned they'll be able to do something, if Labour are elected they won't even be able to do anything that they've promised.[/QUOTE]
I don't get this reasoning, even if the Conservatives do get the most seats they'll still also be miles off a majority (even with the Lib Dems, UKIP and other right-leaning parties), so they won't be able to do shit either surely?
Eat your greens they said.
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[editline]2nd May 2015[/editline]
To be honest i'm surprised I didn't roll up 50% Liberals because I like their policies it's just a shame they don't get anywhere, and that the green party isn't on the same planet as us in terms of their energy and defense policies.
so i'd guess most of you who have portions of UKIP policies only agreed on immigration and/or euroscepticism?
[editline]2nd May[/editline]
i got 57% lib dem and 43% green
I knew I voted UKIP on defense because they actually want to have 2% of our GDP spent on defense and not just pull a 'strategic defense review' aka budget cutting.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;47644770]I don't get this reasoning, even if the Conservatives do get the most seats they'll still also be miles off a majority (even with the Lib Dems, UKIP and other right-leaning parties), so they won't be able to do shit either surely?[/QUOTE]
Atleast the Conservatives can feasibly get a majority, Labour would need to get about 75 seats in England and Wales to get a majority while the Conservatives only need 23. It therefore stands to reason that if you want a stable government you should vote Conservative because Labour are not going to be even close to getting enough seats.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47644883]Atleast the Conservatives can feasibly get a majority, Labour would need to get about 75 seats in England and Wales to get a majority while the Conservatives only need 23. It therefore stands to reason that if you want a stable government you should vote Conservative because Labour are not going to be even close to getting enough seats.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/[/url]
Recent polls are suggesting Conservatives need an extra 33-51 (avg 43) seats for a majority, whereas Labour need an extra 47-65 (avg 56). And these values are shifting this way and that every day, so it's really too close to call.
And, since both parties are using the "if you want a stable government, vote for us to get a majority" line, it's most likely not going to swing enough either way by Thursday.
As far as I can tell, there is no point in me voting. I don't really know what most parties stand for so I did a bunch of those quizzes that try to help you choose based on your views on different things. And it all seems to be coming out Labour. But because I'm in Buckingham, my vote means shit, because it's an ultra safe seat for John Bercow.
I've heard that John Bercow is practically Labour in Conservative clothes though, so I don't know what to think about that. But I'm probably not going to vote.
[QUOTE=The DooD;47645101]As far as I can tell, there is no point in me voting. I don't really know what most parties stand for so I did a bunch of those quizzes that try to help you choose based on your views on different things. And it all seems to be coming out Labour. But because I'm in Buckingham, my vote means shit, because it's an ultra safe seat for John Bercow.
I've heard that John Bercow is practically Labour in Conservative clothes though, so I don't know what to think about that. But I'm probably not going to vote.[/QUOTE]
I'm of the opinion that even if you think "there's no point" or "it will be wasted", if you believe in something you should vote for it.
Statistically, no, your individual vote doesn't matter. But beyond the actual changing of government, the election is a political barometer of the entire country. And if everyone who backs a rival party in an ultra-safe seat doesn't vote, it only makes that seat more safe the next time round.
Consider for a moment UKIP's stance. They know they're going to win 2, maybe 3 seats if they're lucky. But they're currently playing the long game. They're aware that they've got a good chance of coming second in a lot of their target seats, so they'll be wanting to convince those apathetic voters who don't back a rival party because "what's the point" to vote for them, as it may shift the balance in their favour in 2020.
Obviously UKIP are just an example, there will be many parties with this sort of mentality.
So yeah, vote. Even if this time it's like pissing in the ocean, in years to come you may get to say you were the one who started the fire when that 'ultra-safe' constituency is no longer safe.
[QUOTE=The DooD;47645101]As far as I can tell, there is no point in me voting. I don't really know what most parties stand for so I did a bunch of those quizzes that try to help you choose based on your views on different things. And it all seems to be coming out Labour. But because I'm in Buckingham, my vote means shit, because it's an ultra safe seat for John Bercow.
I've heard that John Bercow is practically Labour in Conservative clothes though, so I don't know what to think about that. But I'm probably not going to vote.[/QUOTE]How do you expect an ultra-safe seat to not be that if people like you don't vote?
So the second problem is, there are no parliamentary candidates that I want to vote for. According to google, it's John Bercow, UKIP or Green.
[QUOTE=The DooD;47645179]So the second problem is, there are no parliamentary candidates that I want to vote for.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring national policies at the moment, what do you want to change in [I]your[/I] life? Remember, all you're doing at the end of the day is voting for who you want to represent you and your constituency in Westminster. A political party is simply a collection of these representatives who share certain beliefs on how the country should be run as a whole.
If you think your current MP is doing something in the constituency that's screwing you over big time, you'd probably want them out. So you'd take a look at the polls and vote for whoever's got the best (albeit small) chance of beating them, i.e. the second-place candidate.
If everything in your life is hunky-dory and you don't want anything to change, then go ahead and vote to keep the current MP in office.
Alternatively, if you think they're all a bunch of bastards who don't deserve your vote, that's when you do the protest vote and go for a fringe party, or spoil your ballot. That way, instead of not voting, your individual contribution is counted as "I didn't want to vote for anyone".
Or you can betray your own beliefs and vote for a party just to ensure a majority for them.
Apparently.
I'm going to post a poll in SH in a few days to have FP predict the outcome of the election [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1425073]like we did for the referendum[/url].
But what should the options be? I'm pretty sure you can only have up to 10 options. Currently I'm thinking this:
-Con most seats, Con forms gov, lasts through 2015
-Con most seats, Lab forms gov, lasts through 2015
-Lab most seats, Con forms gov, lasts through 2015
-Lab most seats, Lab forms gov, lasts through 2015
-Stable gov impossible. Second election by Dec 31st.
-OTHER
Any input?
[QUOTE=smurfy;47646348]
Any input?[/QUOTE]
At this rate, Labour will be in coalition with the World Snooker Association.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXWt-hX_DKs[/media]
[QUOTE]Latest Opinium poll (28 - 30 Apr):
CON - 35% (+1)
LAB - 34% (+1)
UKIP - 13% (-)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 5% (-1)
Latest ComRes poll (28 - 30 Apr):
CON - 33% (-2)
LAB - 33% (-2)
UKIP - 13% (+2)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 7% (+1)
Latest Survation poll (01 - 02 May):
LAB - 34% (-)
CON - 31% (-2)
UKIP - 17% (+1)
LDEM - 8% (-1)
GRN - 4% (+1)
Latest YouGov poll (01 - 02 May):
CON - 34% (+1)
LAB - 33% (-1)
UKIP - 13% (-1)
LDEM - 8% (-)
GRN - 5% (-)
Survation Ballot Paper Voting Intention:
LAB: 33%
CON: 29%
UKIP: 16%
LDEM: 9%
GRN: 6%
YouGov Scottish Voting Intention:
SNP 49% (n/c)
Labour 26% (+1)
Conservatives 17% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+2)
UKIP 2% (-1)
Greens 1% (n/c)"[/QUOTE]
I'm most likely going to vote Labour where I'm at, seeing as it might be close between the SNP and Labour here.
Walked past a sign today that said "Bedroom tax kills". Yes, because a tax can kill. Can I go around saying "Mansion tax will kill"? No, because I'm not an idiot. I swear all the labour voters were I live vote labour for two reasons.
1. "mi dad voted labour so i will"
OR
2. "david cameron is snob"
[QUOTE=Potaji;47649993]Walked past a sign today that said "Bedroom tax kills". Yes, because a tax can kill. Can I go around saying "Mansion tax will kill"? No, because I'm not an idiot. I swear all the labour voters were I live vote labour for two reasons.
1. "mi dad voted labour so i will"
OR
2. "david cameron is snob"[/QUOTE]the reason that the line 'bedroom tax kills' is there is because, iirc, some things came out a while ago showing that the bedroom tax was actually indirectly [I]contributing[/I] to killing some disabled people in a way.
see the problem with the bedroom tax is that it's not actually *just* a bedroom tax. it's really an "extra room" tax. who decides what counts as an "extra room"? that's the problem.
so what ended up happening was disabled people were needing an "extra" room to store all of their equipment (wheelchairs, crutches etc) and then they were being heavily taxed on that. generally disabled people have less money already due to it being pretty hard for them to find a job in their situation - so this tax on top of that was helping to put even more strain on them.
whether or not you find merit in this argument or whether or not you think it's fair to label it as 'killing' people - that's [I]why[/I] it is.
(also you couldn't use the mansion tax argument because if you can afford a mansion you can afford to pay the tax - disabled people can't even necessarily afford the extra room, but it's a necessity - not a luxury)
That still isn't killing. Bedroom tax isn't even an actual tax. Even if it was, a TAX cannot kill. It is not an object or being. Placing signs that say 'bedroom tax kills' is ridiculous and I'm pretty sure there is a law about it.
[QUOTE=Potaji;47650258]That still isn't killing. Bedroom tax isn't even an actual tax. Even if it was, a TAX cannot kill. It is not an object or being. Placing signs that say 'bedroom tax kills' is ridiculous and I'm pretty sure there is a law about it.[/QUOTE]
you are being way too literal
The bedroom tax is probably one of the most disgusting things introduced. It only affects the poor, disabled and in need and it affects my family personally.
Anything to make poor people's lives worse, eh rich boy cameron?
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ffs
[editline]3rd May 2015[/editline]
I'd be green if they didnt want to scrap trident, and ideally would like a Lib Dem government, but its not going to happen because they fucked up big time and bent over for the Conservatives.
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