this is far from being exclusive to facepunch. it's called confirmation bias, people ignore arguments that contradict what they already believe.
ironically enough most of the people in this thread are exhibiting it by talking down "everyone else on this site" who does it
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;39856647]No man considers himself evil (usually), and engaging them as if they were will get you nothing more than them on the defensive.
Every person knows the right thing to do, but through rationalization many things get done.[/QUOTE]
one of my history professors once said "everyone is the hero to their own story"
second part is the other way around though i think, everyone has their own opinion of what is right. if they turn out to be mistaken they find ways to justify it or their memory adjusts to make it seem like they did the right thing
This has the potential to be a decent thread but I sincerely hope some people don't transmogrify its original intent into some pseudo-intellectual, "everybody's-wrong-to-some-degree", Argument-to-Moderation circle-jerk.
Believe it or not there are lots of people - as well as easily definable groups of people - who can be consistently wrong and it's not always erroneous to want to discount their viewpoint. Besides, it's not like good arguments are hard to come across: if someone has a good point to make then chances are there's probably another dozen people who have something similar to say, so it's not like there's going to be a great loss if you ignore that one person.
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... I could be wrong though!
if anyone in NK is retarded it's the peasants because of malnutrition
Reminds me of what Dave Chappelle said on the actor's studio-
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE-YYG8nrHI[/media]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39849745]Also have to take in account that a great deal of Facepunch is filled with teenagers who haven't a care of whatever they're talking about and will automatically form an opinion on anything with only the smallest of information on the topic.[/QUOTE]
shit you got me
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39849697]Sounds like the opposite of Hanlon's Razor.[/QUOTE]
if I recall correctly hanlon never shaved
historical check mate mate
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39849745]Also have to take in account that a great deal of Facepunch is filled with teenagers who haven't a care of whatever they're talking about and will automatically form an opinion on anything with only the smallest of information on the topic.[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind that when you generalize a group of people, you don't base your opinion on the whole of the people, only those which are most prominent and noticeable, in short, those which are most interesting, or evoke emotion in you. We take only the most extreme of the bunch and say they represent the whole, because the human brain seeks to do things in the way that requires the least effort. It's like when people say, for example "How do you know someone is a vegan? they'll tell you" they don't consider those that are vegan who aren't pretentious, and keep it to themselves. Why? because when you keep something to yourself you hide it from the world, and you aren't defined by that trait in particular, and that trait isn't defined by you.
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lol, just realized how late and offtopic I was, oh well
When people generalize, they don't base their opinion on the whole of the people, they base it on the majority of the people and discount fringe groups and minorities, because why would one base their generalized thought on a minority to represent the group?
Because they are the most noticeable, the most reported on in the news, the more commonly caricatured of them. They base their opinions on what they've seen in the media, or the most memorable comment of commentators. They've in no way seen those who's stories are not considered newsworthy, interesting enough for television. They just base their opinions on what they're shown, or what they've heard, and what they've seen, only a fraction of the whole story of the diversity of circumstance and people's minds.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39889477]When people generalize, they don't base their opinion on the whole of the people, they base it on the majority of the people and discount fringe groups and minorities, because why would one base their generalized thought on a minority to represent the group?[/QUOTE]
because the majority may be completely unknown to them.
example situation: news broadcast some iranians hating on americans, not many have actually met an iranian in their life so it's easy to make underinformed deductions, the rest of the iranians might be like who cares about americans.
I was just thinking about this topic at work today, though on a slightly different vein.
There was a guy at work who I assumed was a bit of an idiot, but was after getting to know him, rather lovely, if a bit of a lad. We're all very good at convincing ourselves that we're above social influence, confirmation bias and the like but I found my own preconceptions and judgements about the types of characters in the world completely skewed my initial opinion of this guy just because I didn't take the chance to get to know him.
[QUOTE=PulpedFiction;39928088]I was just thinking about this topic at work today, though on a slightly different vein.
There was a guy at work who I assumed was a bit of an idiot, but was after getting to know him, rather lovely, if a bit of a lad. We're all very good at convincing ourselves that we're above social influence, confirmation bias and the like but I found my own preconceptions and judgements about the types of characters in the world completely skewed my initial opinion of this guy just because I didn't take the chance to get to know him.[/QUOTE]
The world would be a much peaceful place in my opinion if only two disagreeing people got to know each other.
Keeping an open mind about people is what I think; you don't actually know the person because you saw them on TV, or they said one thing to you, suchlike.
Although there's always the exception, like one guy I worked with looked like, sounded, and acted like he was completely stupid, and after working with him for a couple months I was surprised to learn he was, in fact, completely stupid.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39928496]The world would be a much peaceful place in my opinion if only two disagreeing people got to know each other.[/QUOTE]
This is a very true thing in my experience.
Grouping people together is generally a bad thing but North Korea is a nation where people are brainwashed into loving the leader through propaganda and persecution of opposition. The US on the other hand is a free democratic country, for the most part. :dance:
Most North Korean's view the great leader as a god like figure and love the government... or do they? Perhaps the people despise the leader and realize all the troubles the country has, perhaps they're only afraid because they fear the concentration camp and all dream of freedom. We can't really know until North Korea is free...
We are just as brainwashed as the north koreans.
[QUOTE=Stalk;39967955]We are just as brainwashed as the north koreans.[/QUOTE]Heh sure, call back when Obama designates himself the God Emperor of America.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;39963190]Grouping people together is generally a bad thing but North Korea is a nation where people are brainwashed into loving the leader through propaganda and persecution of opposition. The US on the other hand is a free democratic country, for the most part. :dance:
Most North Korean's view the great leader as a god like figure and love the government... or do they? Perhaps the people despise the leader and realize all the troubles the country has, perhaps they're only afraid because they fear the concentration camp and all dream of freedom. We can't really know until North Korea is free...[/QUOTE]
The mistake I think you're making here is seeing North Korea in exactly the way Western media has been reporting the country.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39977792]The mistake I think you're making here is seeing North Korea in exactly the way Western media has been reporting the country.[/QUOTE]In what manner? A lot of Western media (probably not all of it e.g. US media) has reported on the NK people not being as beholden to their leaders as once believed; e.g. pointing out mourners at Il's funeral who looked more like they were forcing it, and reports from deserters that Un is liked less than his father and grandfather.
Admittedly, the specific news reports escape me for the moment, but the BBC was one that pointed out such things at Il's funeral as far as I can recall.
[QUOTE=Stalk;39967955]We are just as brainwashed as the north koreans.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=archangel125;39977792]The mistake I think you're making here is seeing North Korea in exactly the way Western media has been reporting the country.[/QUOTE]
You haven't obviously heard about Juche.
It's the pseudo political religion of North Korea, built completely around the Kims as supreme rulers.
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