Thinking of Joining the Military? V2 - General

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36280018]13 minute mile and a half, 33 pushups in a minute, and 42 sit ups in one minute. Perfect scores being 9 minutes, 67 pushups, and 58 sit ups. Not exactly what I'd call difficult, a lot of middle school kids can do that.[/QUOTE] You can't even pass the Army Assessment with those minimums

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;36282567]You can't even pass the Army Assessment with those minimums[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? The APFT is 42 pushups, 53 situps, and a 15:54 two-mile. Yes, we get 2 minutes for our pushups and situps, but most people get well over half of their pushups and situps done in the first minute. Hell, I get about 30 pushups done in the first 30 seconds, and then have to work to get the next twenty or so.

Going to graduate university in a year with a computer science degree. I'm pretty physically fit, (rowing marathons, mma and lifting daily etc etc blah blah). Ive been thinking about the (us) Army after graduation. Ideally I wouldn't want a desk or maintance job, as I want to do federal law enforcement anyway. Federal law enforcement angencies look higher at both Rangers and other special forces. So enlisting with the ranger option is something I've been looking at. Where you enlist, go to basic, then jump school, then attempt Ranger training. And if you somehow survive that then you become a Ranger. However, because I will have a college degree it would be nice to get some use out of it by enlisting as an officer. It would be nice to become an officer then attempt Ranger training but I don't know exactally how that would work. This is probably a recruiter question but hey why not ask.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;36285662]Going to graduate university in a year with a computer science degree. I'm pretty physically fit, (rowing marathons, mma and lifting daily etc etc blah blah). Ive been thinking about the (us) Army after graduation. Ideally I wouldn't want a desk or maintance job, as I want to do federal law enforcement anyway. Federal law enforcement angencies look higher at both Rangers and other special forces. So enlisting with the ranger option is something I've been looking at. Where you enlist, go to basic, then jump school, then attempt Ranger training. And if you somehow survive that then you become a Ranger. However, because I will have a college degree it would be nice to get some use out of it by enlisting as an officer. It would be nice to become an officer then attempt Ranger training but I don't know exactally how that would work. This is probably a recruiter question but hey why not ask.[/QUOTE] Go Marine Corps. Our officers are not limited to the field that they are trained in. An admin officer can still lead a platoon of rifleman into combat. The only ones that are really limited are pilots, and even they go through a platoon commanders course so that they too could command a rifle platoon into combat. Marine Officers can go to ranger school, as well as recon and seal.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36285930]Go Marine Corps. Our officers are not limited to the field that they are trained in. An admin officer can still lead a platoon of rifleman into combat. The only ones that are really limited are pilots, and even they go through a platoon commanders course so that they too could command a rifle platoon into combat. Marine Officers can go to ranger school, as well as recon and seal.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the reponse. Any information helps. How soon after becoming a marine officer can you attempt ranger school? Or advanced marine training like recon? The sooner I get a shot at advance training the better.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;36286106]Thanks for the reponse. Any information helps. How soon after becoming a marine officer can you attempt ranger school? Or advanced marine training like recon? The sooner I get a shot at advance training the better.[/QUOTE] Depends on the MOS. If you go into the recon community it's pretty much a given that you'll be going, otherwise you may have to wait until reenlistment. You can get recon contracts right off the bat, otherwise they pull primarily from the infantry field. If you do get stuck with another MOS fear not, recon holds tryouts twice a year.

Recon is some hardcore shit: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnu9Q--0vYo[/media] "Good thing you didn't swim like that when you were a little sperm otherwise you wouldn't have made it to the egg" ouch

Going back to MEPs Thursday for job selection and oath swearing. Took damn near a year and a half to enlist

[QUOTE=SKEEA;36274707]Air Force Academy or ROTC is the only way you will join the Air Force as a pilot.[/QUOTE] Thanks, for the response its been kinda confusing for me with everybody I know in person just misguiding me as to how to do it. Getting in through ROTC seems like the best way for me so when I transfer to my uni I'll look into it there. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36280018]13 minute mile and a half, 33 pushups in a minute, and 42 sit ups in one minute. Perfect scores being 9 minutes, 67 pushups, and 58 sit ups. Not exactly what I'd call difficult, a lot of middle school kids can do that.[/QUOTE] Yeah, uh I'm not 10 years old so I can manage that fine. Those are oddly really low requirements I wonder why.

[QUOTE=loco;36294482]Thanks, for the response its been kinda confusing for me with everybody I know in person just misguiding me as to how to do it. Getting in through ROTC seems like the best way for me so when I transfer to my uni I'll look into it there.[/QUOTE] Good luck. I am doing my best to become a warrant officer to fly right now. Pilots are great people.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36280018]13 minute mile and a half, 33 pushups in a minute, and 42 sit ups in one minute. Perfect scores being 9 minutes, 67 pushups, and 58 sit ups. Not exactly what I'd call difficult, a lot of middle school kids can do that.[/QUOTE] The reason it's difficult is because they are really strict about it. Middle school kids can't do 33 perfect push-ups or 42 perfect sit-ups under a minute when a judge looms over you.

[QUOTE=choco cookie;36295005]The reason it's difficult is because they are really strict about it. Middle school kids can't do 33 perfect push-ups or 42 perfect sit-ups under a minute when a judge looms over you.[/QUOTE] They could after a judge loomed over them for a while. The navy and marines are the same way man, and the airforce standard doesn't quite cut the cake.

Gonna pay off my college loans soon. After that I take 3-4 college classes, and then I'll be set for the Marines hopefully early next year. I've made some progress physically. Nothing aesthetic-wise, but I can now do 8 pull-ups compared to 4 pull-ups which was my max 3-4 months ago

Anyone here been in the UK territorials? Need a little more accurate information about just how the days work - as in can I put in as many as I would like etc.

[QUOTE=loco;36294482] Yeah, uh I'm not 10 years old so I can manage that fine. Those are oddly really low requirements I wonder why.[/QUOTE] Because it's the AF. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36295426]They could after a judge loomed over them for a while. The navy and marines are the same way man, and the airforce standard doesn't quite cut the cake.[/QUOTE] Army is the same way as well, my drill sergeants and platoon sergeants were brutal, my first PT test ended up with 13 pushups. What are the navy and marine pt test standards?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36295426]They could after a judge loomed over them for a while. The navy and marines are the same way man, and the airforce standard doesn't quite cut the cake.[/QUOTE] Well, by hardest PT standard it's more like the visible want for the Air Force to kick people out of the their service. With jobs that sometimes don't allow people to work out with the time they are given it's sometimes extremely difficult to make sure you keep up your strength. 12-14 hours shifts is the norm on the flight-line for anybody maintenance. Unless you have a job that lets you have time to work out then there's no excuse really. Also with waist measurement put in to get a good score on your PT score it can be harder to max out. It's not really about how difficult it is, but how difficult the Air Force makes it because of it's demand of working on the job, not working out which causes people to falter. People can't stay in shape at their base, but as soon as they TDY or deploy they get time to work out and get strong. As soon as they come back they lose all the time they had and stop having that free time to work out. That's the reason why it's so easy for others, but hard for people in the Air Force.

[QUOTE=choco cookie;36299514]Well, by hardest PT standard it's more like the visible want for the Air Force to kick people out of the their service. With jobs that sometimes don't allow people to work out with the time they are given it's sometimes extremely difficult to make sure you keep up your strength. 12-14 hours shifts is the norm on the flight-line for anybody maintenance. Unless you have a job that lets you have time to work out then there's no excuse really. Also with waist measurement put in to get a good score on your PT score it can be harder to max out. It's not really about how difficult it is, but how difficult the Air Force makes it because of it's demand of working on the job, not working out which causes people to falter. People can't stay in shape at their base, but as soon as they TDY or deploy they get time to work out and get strong. As soon as they come back they lose all the time they had and stop having that free time to work out. That's the reason why it's so easy for others, but hard for people in the Air Force.[/QUOTE] I am not sure about you, but even when I work a 16 hour shift at the hangar, I still have time to hit the gym afterwards due to the absolute abundance of them around post.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;36294888]Good luck. I am doing my best to become a warrant officer to fly right now. Pilots are great people.[/QUOTE] I don't know about that one, both my parents were aircraft mechanics in the Navy and they were just telling me about how their pilots were a bunch of jackwagons. Not all of them mind you but alot of them figured that because they wear officer rank means that they're better than any enlisted.

[QUOTE=choco cookie;36299514]Well, by hardest PT standard it's more like the visible want for the Air Force to kick people out of the their service. With jobs that sometimes don't allow people to work out with the time they are given it's sometimes extremely difficult to make sure you keep up your strength. 12-14 hours shifts is the norm on the flight-line for anybody maintenance. Unless you have a job that lets you have time to work out then there's no excuse really. Also with waist measurement put in to get a good score on your PT score it can be harder to max out. It's not really about how difficult it is, but how difficult the Air Force makes it because of it's demand of working on the job, not working out which causes people to falter. People can't stay in shape at their base, but as soon as they TDY or deploy they get time to work out and get strong. As soon as they come back they lose all the time they had and stop having that free time to work out. That's the reason why it's so easy for others, but hard for people in the Air Force.[/QUOTE] I'm in the airwing in the Marines man. We've got the crazy flight schedules that we need to follow just like the you. Every branch has aircraft they have to tend to, with similar schedules that have to be delt with, we all find a way to work it out. I used to go run before my shift during the day and my buddies and I would go do crossfit on the weekend. Marine minimum standards are 28 minute 3 mile, 40 crunches in 2 minutes, and 3 pull ups. If you get that bare minimum it is not a passing score. Most people score around 20 minutes, everyone gets 100 crunches, and at least 12 pullups. A Perfect score is 18 minute 3 mile, 100 crunches in 2 minutes, and 20 pullups. My best score was 21:30, 174 crunches (only 100 go for the score), and 20 pullups

[QUOTE=uberdood15;36300193]I don't know about that one, both my parents were aircraft mechanics in the Navy and they were just telling me about how their pilots were a bunch of jackwagons. Not all of them mind you but alot of them figured that because they wear officer rank means that they're better than any enlisted.[/QUOTE] I am sorry that those Navy pilots were jackasses. Keep in mind though that Navy pilots are all officers. Also keep in mind that I am an OH-58D crew chief and that I bump elbows with and shoot the breeze with pilots every day. Most of the pilots in the Army are warrant officers, and not one I have met has ever lorded his position as a warrant officer over enlisted. Warrant officers are really cool because they are neither enlisted nor officer, so they are all really chill and mess around a lot as well as being good pilots. That is why I plan on putting in my WOFT packet on deployment. I take the AFAST on the 19th.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36300343]I'm in the airwing in the Marines man. We've got the crazy flight schedules that we need to follow just like the you. Every branch has aircraft they have to tend to, with similar schedules that have to be delt with, we all find a way to work it out. I used to go run before my shift during the day and my buddies and I would go do crossfit on the weekend. Marine minimum standards are 28 minute 3 mile, 40 crunches in 2 minutes, and 3 pull ups. If you get that bare minimum it is not a passing score. Most people score around 20 minutes, everyone gets 100 crunches, and at least 12 pullups. A Perfect score is 18 minute 3 mile, 100 crunches in 2 minutes, and 20 pullups. My best score was 21:30, 174 crunches (only 100 go for the score), and 20 pullups[/QUOTE] I could probably do that if it wasn't for the pullups. Heh I finally did my first real pull-up during training.

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;36295644]Anyone here been in the UK territorials? Need a little more accurate information about just how the days work - as in can I put in as many as I would like etc.[/QUOTE] Me old man is in the Logistics for the TA, and I can tell you, no not really, There is some flexibility, but that's to help work around anyother carrer you have. But the amount of courses, for the logistics atleast, are vast and frequent. Although his role as a Staff Sergeant may also add to his workload. Anyway, I tried out for the military, got quite a high BARB test score. Recruiter told me I could do any regiment I wanted, except of course Special Forces, and I shouldn't have any trouble with anything... Medical comes along and I'm out. My condition with my leg, altough is a minor problem, is large enough for me to be unfit to serve.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;36300343]I'm in the airwing in the Marines man. We've got the crazy flight schedules that we need to follow just like the you. Every branch has aircraft they have to tend to, with similar schedules that have to be delt with, we all find a way to work it out. I used to go run before my shift during the day and my buddies and I would go do crossfit on the weekend. Marine minimum standards are 28 minute 3 mile, 40 crunches in 2 minutes, and 3 pull ups. If you get that bare minimum it is not a passing score. Most people score around 20 minutes, everyone gets 100 crunches, and at least 12 pullups. A Perfect score is 18 minute 3 mile, 100 crunches in 2 minutes, and 20 pullups. My best score was 21:30, 174 crunches (only 100 go for the score), and 20 pullups[/QUOTE] I don't know. I never really get time to work out and there's many people in the same boat as me who I work with. If I wanted to work out at my base I would have to sacrifice sleep and work quality.

A little off topic but I cannot be the only one who spent too much money on R&R. Someone please comfort me that i'm not the only one.

[QUOTE=nick34;36307952]A little off topic but I cannot be the only one who spent too much money on R&R. Someone please comfort me that i'm not the only one.[/QUOTE] I spent an entire paycheck on airsoft. Don't worry, you are not the only one.

Haha thanks, I did the same but with alcohol.

I know it's not exactly the same, but I'm graduating eighth grade and one of the high schools offers an ROTC program, and I'm highly considering joining. Don't worry, I'm not like other 14 year-olds obsessed with call of duty thinking that I would be a super soldier just because I can get a kill-streak with a controller. I was more interested in joining the air force because I want some form of military experience under my belt when I am older, and I have wanted to be in the air force since I was little. I was even born on an air force base in Okinawa. Any ways, I guess I'm just looking for some kind of suggestions or something to make sure I'm making a good decision. Thank you in advance for any advice, and thank you for serving this country.

[QUOTE=iRex;36308690]I know it's not exactly the same, but I'm graduating eighth grade and one of the high schools offers an ROTC program, and I'm highly considering joining. Don't worry, I'm not like other 14 year-olds obsessed with call of duty thinking that I would be a super soldier just because I can get a kill-streak with a controller. I was more interested in joining the air force because I want some form of military experience under my belt when I am older, and I have wanted to be in the air force since I was little. I was even born on an air force base in Okinawa. Any ways, I guess I'm just looking for some kind of suggestions or something to make sure I'm making a good decision. Thank you in advance for any advice, and thank you for serving this country.[/QUOTE] I spent four years in an AFJROTC unit. It was a great time, but there will always be some drama going on. It is worth it to get E-3 though.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;36300485]I am sorry that those Navy pilots were jackasses. Keep in mind though that Navy pilots are all officers. Also keep in mind that I am an OH-58D crew chief and that I bump elbows with and shoot the breeze with pilots every day. Most of the pilots in the Army are warrant officers, and not one I have met has ever lorded his position as a warrant officer over enlisted. Warrant officers are really cool because they are neither enlisted nor officer, so they are all really chill and mess around a lot as well as being good pilots. That is why I plan on putting in my WOFT packet on deployment. I take the AFAST on the 19th.[/QUOTE] I completely forgot the AFAST existed, I still have a study book on my shelf, some of that shit is confusing, I still wish I could be a pilot though. Also all the Army pilots I have met were cool. What's it take for a helicopter repairer to become a crew chief?

[QUOTE=jaredop;36311841]I completely forgot the AFAST existed, I still have a study book on my shelf, some of that shit is confusing, I still wish I could be a pilot though. Also all the Army pilots I have met were cool. What's it take for a helicopter repairer to become a crew chief?[/QUOTE] Well, with my particular helicopter the terms are interchangeable because we do not go up in the helicopter with the pilots because it is a two seat aircraft, so only a pilot and co-pilot gunner. On other helicopters they actually go up in them (such as chinooks or blackhawks) and perform aerial duties. For us, it means that you are assigned an aircraft and are responsible to make sure that maintenance gets done on it.