[QUOTE=WubWubWompWomp;37882213]That makes sense, be sure to do a lot of running.[/QUOTE]
Running is something I am good at. Gotta work on pull ups with added weight.
Thanks for the tips!
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;37879015]No, they do all sorts of things. If it's battalion recon you usually are attached to an infantry component and serve as the scouts for it. The games different in force recon, you act as the quick response unit for a MEU. Gotta start in recon before you can go there.[/QUOTE]
I see, does force recon do anything like what the SEALS or SFOD ( Delta Force ) do? I realize how hard it is to actually get into special forces like this but its what I want to do and I'll work my hardest to get there.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37885005]I see, does force recon do anything like what the SEALS or SFOD ( Delta Force ) do? I realize how hard it is to actually get into special forces like this but its what I want to do and I'll work my hardest to get there.[/QUOTE]
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Nah, just kidding. Now, here is the thing. You may want some kind of special unit, but they have a quite different mentality than the rest of the armed forces. I am considering the 160th, but I really don't want to become a new nightstalker and get shit on for a few years because I am the new guy, and not fully mission qualified, and have to reestablish myself in another more high-speed unit. Special Operations expects more out of you than you know you even have in you. Special units can also suck. I appreciate your super motoness, but you really need to think and research about this sort of thing. Being in the infantry really sucks. Being in, say Special Forces brings the suck level to a new high. Lets get one thing out of the way at a time here. How is your current state in PT? Have you taken any sort of diagnostic PT test yet?
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37885431]I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Nah, just kidding. Now, here is the thing. You may want some kind of special unit, but they have a quite different mentality than the rest of the armed forces. I am considering the 160th, but I really don't want to become a new nightstalker and get shit on for a few years because I am the new guy, and not fully mission qualified, and have to reestablish myself in another more high-speed unit. Special Operations expects more out of you than you know you even have in you. Special units can also suck. I appreciate your super motoness, but you really need to think and research about this sort of thing. Being in the infantry really sucks. Being in, say Special Forces brings the suck level to a new high. Lets get one thing out of the way at a time here. How is your current state in PT? Have you taken any sort of diagnostic PT test yet?[/QUOTE]
As of right now my PT isn't good at all, I literally just started doing pushups and running 3 days ago. I've got 6 years before I can even think about applying for any SF unit ( at least thats what google searches have told me that I have to be at least 22 ) I have no idea what a Diagnostic PT test it. I understand that infantry sucks and I understand Special Forces sucks even more, But that is what I want, I've got 6 years to work my way up before even being able to try and sign up for any sort of special forces. And even then I probably won't sign up until I'm around 24 because I want to be in the best shape one can possibly achieve in 8 years. And before anyone goes and says something about video games, no I did not get my inspiration from video games and I don't use those as an example of special forces. My grandfather has done a few things that required him to go with a special forces team a time or 2 over in vietnam, he explained to me that if you want to be in SF that you have to be ready to practically give up your life since you are on call 24/7, that may be a slight exaggeration from him but I'm taking his word.
I have no girlfriend, I don't plan on getting married or having kids till I'm in my 30's. I've been looking through everything I can possibly find about every type of special forces trying to establish what is truth and what is bullshit, and it is not easy.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37885619]As of right now my PT isn't good at all, I literally just started doing pushups and running 3 days ago. I've got 6 years before I can even think about applying for any SF unit ( at least thats what google searches have told me that I have to be at least 22 ) I have no idea what a Diagnostic PT test it. I understand that infantry sucks and I understand Special Forces sucks even more, But that is what I want, I've got 6 years to work my way up before even being able to try and sign up for any sort of special forces. And even then I probably won't sign up until I'm around 24 because I want to be in the best shape one can possibly achieve in 8 years. And before anyone goes and says something about video games, no I did not get my inspiration from video games and I don't use those as an example of special forces. My grandfather has done a few things that required him to go with a special forces team a time or 2 over in vietnam, he explained to me that if you want to be in SF that you have to be ready to practically give up your life since you are on call 24/7, that may be a slight exaggeration from him but I'm taking his word.
I have no girlfriend, I don't plan on getting married or having kids till I'm in my 30's. I've been looking through everything I can possibly find about every type of special forces trying to establish what is truth and what is bullshit, and it is not easy.[/QUOTE]
Well, Special Forces is an Army thing, for one. Just a minor bit of vocabulary there. Anyways, I don't think the Marines really have any other unit other than Force Recon if you are looking for a special unit. The Army has a lot of them. We, of course, have Special Forces (Green Berets unofficially), high speed infantry basically, as well as the 160th SOAR for us Aviation types. We also have the Virginia Boys, an oddity of a unit, made up of Aviation and they have their own ground forces. Cannot deny their effectiveness though, they have a ton of souped up aircraft that haven't seen the light of day. We also have the infamous Delta. Now, you really don't want to wait to sign up. The later you delay, the worse the military is going to be for you, in some aspects. You will have people like me, 19 year olds, that out rank you and have more experience than you. You will have a tougher time getting noticed for special units as well, due to that age. Also, that is another big point. You don't join special units. They select people. You have to be crazy better than your peers. Also, that bit about being on call 24/7 is absolutely true. You could be relaxing in your room or at a restaurant when the call comes for you to get your stuff together for an on-notice deployment. I take it that you are 16, yes? Plenty of time to get some experience in whatever branch as well as working on your PT. You want to gain experience in the military before trying out for one of these units, believe me. See if you even like it first.
[editline]2nd October 2012[/editline]
Bedtime for me, though my day off is tomorrow so I will be here to do my best to try to help in a few hours.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37885765]Well, Special Forces is an Army thing, for one. Just a minor bit of vocabulary there. Anyways, I don't think the Marines really have any other unit other than Force Recon if you are looking for a special unit. The Army has a lot of them. We, of course, have Special Forces (Green Berets unofficially), high speed infantry basically, as well as the 160th SOAR for us Aviation types. We also have the Virginia Boys, an oddity of a unit, made up of Aviation and they have their own ground forces. Cannot deny their effectiveness though, they have a ton of souped up aircraft that hasn't seen the light of day. We also have the infamous Delta. Now, you really don't want to wait to sign up. The later you delay, the worse the military is going to be for you, in some aspects. You will have people like me, 19 year olds, that out rank you and have more experience than you. You will have a tougher time getting noticed for special units as well, due to that age. Also, that is another big point. You don't join special units. They select people. You have to be crazy better than your peers. Also, that bit about being on call 24/7 is absolutely true. You could be relaxing in your room or at a restaurant when the call comes for you to get your stuff together for an on-notice deployment. I take it that you are 16, yes? Plenty of time to get some experience in whatever branch as well as working on your PT. You want to gain experience in the military before trying out for one of these units, believe me. See if you even like it first.
[editline]2nd October 2012[/editline]
Bedtime for me, though my day off is tomorrow so I will be here to do my best to try to help in a few hours.[/QUOTE]
Thanks SKEEA again for the information, and I'm going to be 16 in January. Also the reason I planned on waiting until I was 24 is because from what I read, most people in any type of special forces are 24-30.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37877665]IIRC you can't waiver colorblindness, you are just restricted to certain jobs.[/QUOTE]
Bummer. It's hardly even a problem so if I'm lucky maybe they'll just mark me as "color deficient." Nevertheless I'm going to be restricted from certain MOS selections I guess.
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;37885836]Thanks SKEEA again for the information, and I'm going to be 16 in January. Also the reason I planned on waiting until I was 24 is because from what I read, most people in any type of special forces are 24-30.[/QUOTE]
That is because they spent their years in the military doing their job before trying out for any special unit. You need notoriety and be a good soldier in order to get noticed.
God I would love to HALO jump just once in my life.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37885892]That is because they spent their years in the military doing their job before trying out for any special unit. You need notoriety and be a good soldier in order to get noticed.[/QUOTE]
Also you have to be E5, or E5 promotable, afaik. Or maybe it's E6.
Woooo TDY in Florida for 3 months. Don't mind if I do!
[QUOTE=l33tkill;37890229]Woooo TDY in Florida for 3 months. Don't mind if I do![/QUOTE]
Lucky bastard. Remember, what happens TDY, stays TDY
[QUOTE=l33tkill;37890229]Woooo TDY in Florida for 3 months. Don't mind if I do![/QUOTE]
Where are you headed in Florida?
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;37891974]Where are you headed in Florida?[/QUOTE]
Heading to Hurlburt Field for some good ole pre-deployment, CDE, and point dropping courses.
used to live in the hurlburt / eglin area
don't die from the rain
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37885765]Well, Special Forces is an Army thing, for one. Just a minor bit of vocabulary there. Anyways, [B]I don't think the Marines really have any other unit other than Force Recon if you are looking for a special unit. [/B]The Army has a lot of them. We, of course, have Special Forces (Green Berets unofficially), high speed infantry basically, as well as the 160th SOAR for us Aviation types. We also have the Virginia Boys, an oddity of a unit, made up of Aviation and they have their own ground forces. Cannot deny their effectiveness though, they have a ton of souped up aircraft that haven't seen the light of day. We also have the infamous Delta. Now, you really don't want to wait to sign up. The later you delay, the worse the military is going to be for you, in some aspects. You will have people like me, 19 year olds, that out rank you and have more experience than you. You will have a tougher time getting noticed for special units as well, due to that age. Also, that is another big point. You don't join special units. They select people. You have to be crazy better than your peers. Also, that bit about being on call 24/7 is absolutely true. You could be relaxing in your room or at a restaurant when the call comes for you to get your stuff together for an on-notice deployment. I take it that you are 16, yes? Plenty of time to get some experience in whatever branch as well as working on your PT. You want to gain experience in the military before trying out for one of these units, believe me. See if you even like it first.
[editline]2nd October 2012[/editline]
Bedtime for me, though my day off is tomorrow so I will be here to do my best to try to help in a few hours.[/QUOTE]
MARSOC
buddies from basic just graduated ranger school, jelly to the max
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37894548]used to live in the hurlburt / eglin area
don't die from the rain[/QUOTE]
I lived there for 6 years as well. It's like going home for a few months. Does Navarre ring any bells?
Has anyone here gone through CBRNe training?
[QUOTE=Robbi;37896212]Has anyone here gone through CBRNe training?[/QUOTE]
If you mean Chemical Biological blah blah blah, then yes. It's part of our yearly tests.
NBC training is dumb. No point to it.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37897251]NBC training is dumb. No point to it.[/QUOTE]
WOW have you ever heard of the Tokyo gas bombing yeah it's needed.
Also lose the stetson you give cav scouts a bad image...
Well no it would fit you. Too bad you can't be as bad ass as a tanker.
The better half of the armored world. ;p
[QUOTE=EvilSkydiver;37897345]WOW have you ever heard of the Tokyo gas bombing yeah it's needed.
Also lose the stetson you give cav scouts a bad image...
Well no it would fit you. Too bad you can't be as bad ass as a tanker.
The better half of the armored world. ;p[/QUOTE]
There is no point to NBC training in my particular MOS. The extent of the NBC training that they would give us is to send us through the cs gas chamber anyways, not on the finer points of NBC that are actually important to my job. The only person who gets that training is the troop designated NBC NCOIC. Stuff like hazardous chemical storage, handling, and transport. That is good stuff to know, but the joke of an NBC training they give to the rest of us would be "hey lets go through the gas chamber again" which would accomplish nothing. If they gave us better NBC training that is actually worth something, then I can see there being a point for us to learn the stuff. Also, fuck you. I will wear my Stetson with absolute pride as Air Cav. I am not armored at all. I love Aviation. Fuck tankers, there isn't even a tank in Afghanistan that can provide the same amount of flexibility and support Air Cav provides, considering that I am not even sure that the 14 tanks that the Marines sent here in 2010 are even still operating. Don't go on the personal attack mode man. It rubs me the wrong way. Don't dare say that I give ANYONE a bad image. I am part of the best Air Cav troop in Afghanistan, bar none. Infantry come up to us and thank us for making them safe and saving them from tight situations. Tankers are sure full of themselves, but real rock stars have fans.
._.
whathaveidone
But I mean like.. proper.. CBRNe training, the handling of radioactive material or things like that.
I'm wondering if its worth it to request a swap to there (currently headed for urban warfare regiment) but Im also very interested in the NBC stuff.
How different is it from regular infantry training? Do you still receive infantry training and is it just added ontop of that or is it completely revolved around CBRNe? Are you attached to regular squads and do regular patrol stuff or do you only get called out to do NBC things?
Obviously training is different in my country but it should be somewhat close.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37898222]There is no point to NBC training in my particular MOS. The extent of the NBC training that they would give us is to send us through the cs gas chamber anyways, not on the finer points of NBC that are actually important to my job. The only person who gets that training is the troop designated NBC NCOIC. Stuff like hazardous chemical storage, handling, and transport. That is good stuff to know, but the joke of an NBC training they give to the rest of us would be "hey lets go through the gas chamber again" which would accomplish nothing. If they gave us better NBC training that is actually worth something, then I can see there being a point for us to learn the stuff. Also, fuck you. I will wear my Stetson with absolute pride as Air Cav. I am not armored at all. I love Aviation. Fuck tankers, there isn't even a tank in Afghanistan that can provide the same amount of flexibility and support Air Cav provides, considering that I am not even sure that the 14 tanks that the Marines sent here in 2010 are even still operating. Don't go on the personal attack mode man. It rubs me the wrong way. Don't dare say that I give ANYONE a bad image. I am part of the best Air Cav troop in Afghanistan, bar none. Infantry come up to us and thank us for making them safe and saving them from tight situations. Tankers are sure full of themselves, but real rock stars have fans.[/QUOTE]
Oh sorry I forgot you guy's have a "show" sorry I missed the act.
"air cav" now your lower then cav scouts at least in the armored world they know they can count
on a true brother in arms to help them not some show off fly boy.
I don't know what kind of flashy games you do. But for me I work for a living and so does my crew,
we don't need a fan club we are family.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Robbi;37898505]._.
whathaveidone
But I mean like.. proper.. CBRNe training, the handling of radioactive material or things like that.
I'm wondering if its worth it to request a swap to there (currently headed for urban warfare regiment) but Im also very interested in the NBC stuff.
How different is it from regular infantry training? Do you still receive infantry training and is it just added ontop of that or is it completely revolved around CBRNe? Are you attached to regular squads and do regular patrol stuff or do you only get called out to do NBC things?
Obviously training is different in my country but it should be somewhat close.[/QUOTE]
Each unit has it's own sop for operating in a NBC environment. Just last week we went through the gas chamber. One of the guys took a funny picture of our Sergeant Major, it looked like he had a heart attack. :D
But there is a basic training that just about everyone goes through and advance training depends on the unit. Like for us we also do NBC training in our tanks, which sucks in the summer, wearing our pro masks in the heat. But I have never been called out to do a mission requiring CBRN gear.
other than the gas chamber. ;p
How long have you been in the field army skeea?
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37898222]There is no point to NBC training in my particular MOS.[/QUOTE]
It really pisses me off when someone says this. You're deployed correct? CENTCOM AOR I imagine? You don't need to handle hazardous materials to be affected by that shit. The gas chamber is meant to see if you suited up correctly. Not some "Hurr let's see how long I will last with my mask off" bullshit.
if your PT is shitty when you graduate basic training and you are active duty, you are very wrong. im just putting this out there because you'll get out of shape if you don't maintain after basic during that reception period to your AIT, we've lost a few people due to bad PT here at ft. lee i know of.
ill just post the 60% standards for the 2-2-2
Pushups - 42 in 2 minutes
Situps - 53 in 2 minutes
2 mile run - 15:54 minutes or lower
for those of you that are going to enlist and havent even entered basic yet, i'd meet these standards during those few months you're waiting. don't be douchebag like me and waste your waiting period to go back to the MEPS station still all lazy and skinny and lanky and shit before you ship off to fort w/e for BCT.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;37898805]How long have you been in the field army skeea?[/QUOTE]
For a year.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=EvilSkydiver;37898682]Oh sorry I forgot you guy's have a "show" sorry I missed the act.
"air cav" now your lower then cav scouts at least in the armored world they know they can count
on a true brother in arms to help them not some show off fly boy.
I don't know what kind of flashy games you do. But for me I work for a living and so does my crew,
we don't need a fan club we are family.[/QUOTE]
It is not that we put on a pretty show and Infantry love us because they love things that fly. No, I was using a fucking analogy that you can spend all day being extremely vocal to everyone about how badass tanks are, but they really don't do shit for anyone, while we don't go around to everyone we meet bragging about everything and just performing, that we gain good notoriety for being able to actually do our job and do it well. Don't give me that true brothers in arms bullshit, Aviation, Armored, Infantry, Ordinance, I don't care who you are, you are my fellow brother in arms. I just lost two of them a couple days ago, and it was the worst feeling in my entire life.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;37903642]For a year.
[editline]3rd October 2012[/editline]
It is not that we put on a pretty show and Infantry love us because they love things that fly. No, I was using a fucking analogy that you can spend all day being extremely vocal to everyone about how badass tanks are, but they really don't do shit for anyone, while we don't go around to everyone we meet bragging about everything and just performing, that we gain good notoriety for being able to actually do our job and do it well. Don't give me that true brothers in arms bullshit, Aviation, Armored, Infantry, Ordinance, I don't care who you are, you are my fellow brother in arms. I just lost two of them a couple days ago, and it was the worst feeling in my entire life.[/QUOTE]
Do you mind if I ask what happened?
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