[QUOTE=Priori;39563705]So I'm in the National Guard now and shipping to basic on March 12th. I'm wondering how hard a security clearance will be to get after I get out of basic. I scored a 74 on my ASVAB, good enough line scores to get pretty much any job I was looking at. But I wasn't able to get a security clearance because of shit I did in middle school. Wyoming doesn't really offer many good jobs without a clearance so I just went with a 12 November position, and plan switch to another MOS when able.[/QUOTE]
You won't be able to switch for years at least. You signed a contract saying that you're joining as a 12N, more than likely you're going to have to serve out the rest of your contract as that MOS. If you really want to reclass then you may have to take it up your chain of command when you get to your unit.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;39566250]Fuck I thought everyone got that coming in. Well, as long as you didn't kill anyone in Middle School then you should be fine honestly.[/QUOTE]
If you've been to jail or been arrested from DUI's to possession, they'll know about it.
[QUOTE=paindoc;39571352]My father keeps telling me I'm disillusioned about ROTC. I think it will be mildly enjoyable. I want to be in the armed services, but he never did. He was Army Enlisted and always complains about how much he hates it. Doubt has started to creep into my decisions; I know I want to, but what if I'm not right for it?
Lastly, I don't expect to easily acquire a fighter slot.
I've been thinking about what I would choose based on how aircraft assignment works at flight training;
1. A-10C
2. Any fighter
3. C-17
4. C-5
5. KC-135
6. Pavehawk
7. E-3 Sentry
8. HC-130 (search and rescue)
9. Anything but those silly turboprop planes(excepting 130's)
I honestly see few aircraft I wouldn't want to fly off this list [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft#Air_Force[/url][/QUOTE]
Basically to have any chance at picking any aircraft, you gotta be #1 in your class. Otherwise it is pretty much chosen for you. I honestly think you will have a better chance at being a warrant in the Army. The caveat to that is that you have a more limited pool of aircraft to choose from, being the UH-60 Blackhawk, CH-47 Chinook, OH-58D Kiowa Warrior, AH-64 Paperweight, or if you decide to switch to fixed wing after doing rotary wing for a bit, any of the tiny fixed wing aircraft the Army fields for VIP transport or electronic warfare.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;39572861]Basically to have any chance at picking any aircraft, you gotta be #1 in your class. Otherwise it is pretty much chosen for you. I honestly think you will have a better chance at being a warrant in the Army. The caveat to that is that you have a more limited pool of aircraft to choose from, being the UH-60 Blackhawk, CH-47 Chinook, OH-58D Kiowa Warrior, AH-64 Paperweight, or if you decide to switch to fixed wing after doing rotary wing for a bit, any of the tiny fixed wing aircraft the Army fields for VIP transport or electronic warfare.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the way it works is that it simply goes down the line. First in class gets first pick, and so on down the line.
However, there is a caveat to that. When at flight training, you are assigned to one of four craft. Which craft you get assigned to decides which track you go down; Fighter/Bomber, Transport/Heavy, Turboprop(C-130's and such), and Helicopter. You then get to choose from that pool at graduation based on your class ranking
[QUOTE=paindoc;39574486]Actually, the way it works is that it simply goes down the line. First in class gets first pick, and so on down the line.
However, there is a caveat to that. When at flight training, you are assigned to one of four craft. Which craft you get assigned to decides which track you go down; Fighter/Bomber, Transport/Heavy, Turboprop(C-130's and such), and Helicopter. You then get to choose from that pool at graduation based on your class ranking[/QUOTE]
That is how it works in Army flight school as well, however it is a bit more simple. Just the whole class ranking bit, as you WILL start as a rotary wing aviator in the Army. So it goes on down the line beginning from #1 and on down. Remember this as well. Sometimes there are only slots for one particular aircraft during your cycle, so you might be stuck with it. As in, I may be #1 and want Kiowas, though the only slots are for Blackhawks, so the entire class goes Blackhawk.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;39571616]You won't be able to switch for years at least. You signed a contract saying that you're joining as a 12N, more than likely you're going to have to serve out the rest of your contract as that MOS. If you really want to reclass then you may have to take it up your chain of command when you get to your unit.
If you've been to jail or been arrested from DUI's to possession, they'll know about it.[/QUOTE]
Well every sergeant and everybody at meps that I have spoken to told me I can switch to whatever I want if the spot is available, they just didn't give me a time frame for when I'm able to do so, so I know I'm not stuck with it.
This question is for all the marines. My detailer offered me either MarDev or MLG. Is there a particular advantage/disadvantage to either?
[QUOTE=Priori;39574894]Well every sergeant and everybody at meps that I have spoken to told me I can switch to whatever I want if the spot is available, they just didn't give me a time frame for when I'm able to do so, so I know I'm not stuck with it.[/QUOTE]
They just want you to sign that piece of paper at the end.
The one rule i vowed to follow when I was down at MEPS a few weeks ago was to only sign the contract if i liked it 100%. I mean Jesus Christ, its your life, and the last, real, big choice that you may get in awhile that will make or break your future based off your expectations.
My recruiter told me to sign the contract even if HM wasn't open (they honestly didnt think it would be there), and said that even if i didn't reclassify in DEP, that I could reclassify once i am in. Good thing I looked all that up before i even talked to a recruiter, I found out that you have to serve a minimum of 2 years to request to reclassify. My recruiter back-paddled when he found out that I was aware of this.
The Captain that swore us in and lectured to us at MEPS was very adamant about people signing contracts that suited the applicant's wants, and told us to walk if we didn't get the job we wanted and to try another day.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;39580496]They just want you to sign that piece of paper at the end.
The one rule i vowed to follow when I was down at MEPS a few weeks ago was to only sign the contract if i liked it 100%. I mean Jesus Christ, its your life, and the last, real, big choice that you may get in awhile that will make or break your future based off your expectations.
My recruiter told me to sign the contract even if HM wasn't open (they honestly didnt think it would be there), and said that even if i didn't reclassify in DEP, that I could reclassify once i am in. Good thing I looked all that up before i even talked to a recruiter, I found out that you have to serve a minimum of 2 years to request to reclassify. My recruiter back-paddled when he found out that I was aware of this.[/QUOTE]
I was in the same situation. But my recruiter wasn't aware that I was only interested in the jobs that I listed, rather than slots that he had to fill (The AFSCs were spot on, but the shred was different). I went to DEP the first time to find out that they wanted to put me in the 1N1X1 Alpha shred (or 1N1X1A), but instead I listed the Bravo shred before departing for DEP. So I had to go a second time to make that correction. I knew what I wanted to do. I even had recommendation papers for that AFSC in particular.
Make sure you read whatever the hell they put in front of you, otherwise you could get fucked over and take a job that you dislike.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;39580728]Make sure you read whatever the hell they put in front of you, otherwise you could get fucked over and take a job that you dislike.[/QUOTE]
Well shit.
I really have no problem with the job I took, but I work around heavy machinery/farm equipment already and am kind of sick of it. So 12N just seems pretty bland compared to what jobs I could have had...
[QUOTE=Priori;39582378]Well shit.
I really have no problem with the job I took, but I work around heavy machinery/farm equipment already and am kind of sick of it. So 12N just seems pretty bland compared to what jobs I could have had...[/QUOTE]
Light a fire under your recruiter's belly.
My parents say I am not allowed to apply for ROTC or do ROTC while they are paying for college, or goodbye financial support.
I can't even apply for scholarships... I will anyways though. Talk to my guidance counselor tomorrow, he's a bro and will probably help me out or email my parents and ease their nerves
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Ooh even better, if I do ROTC he won't pay for LASIK or PRK so I won't try or be able to get a pilot slot. We don't get along. At all
[QUOTE=paindoc;39582736]My parents say I am not allowed to apply for ROTC or do ROTC while they are paying for college, or goodbye financial support.
I can't even apply for scholarships... I will anyways though. Talk to my guidance counselor tomorrow, he's a bro and will probably help me out or email my parents and ease their nerves
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Ooh even better, if I do ROTC he won't pay for LASIK or PRK so I won't try or be able to get a pilot slot. We don't get along. At all[/QUOTE]
You could always try for a full ride ROTC scholarship and if you get it, you can then thumb your nose at them. Like I said, an ever present option would be street to seat for the Army in case everything else fails. What is your ASVAB GT Score?
nbc chamber last week
couldnt re-seal mask after stating birth date and last four
choked to death with mask on until we left
Should I email the detachment head for my choice universities ROTC program with some questions about pilot slots and LASIK, or is that not proper or the correct thing to do?
No, that's perfectly alright to do. Touching base with your prospective Det CC is a good idea. Just keep the email professional.
Be sure to keep records of all correspondence (phone, email, in person) between you two. It may come in handy.
Also, as an Air Force ROTC upperclassman, I may be able so answer some questions you have.
I found out yesterday that I'm on the alternate list for pilot. I'm high enough on the list that the AF wants me to take a flight physical just so I'm ready for when people inevitably start losing their pilot slots. So I'm in that weird limbo where I'm going to have a flight physical, yet I don't actually have a slot.
Hey congrats. Best of luck to you.
[QUOTE=Mjolnir82991;39603969]Also, as an Air Force ROTC upperclassman, I may be able so answer some questions you have.
I found out yesterday that I'm on the alternate list for pilot. I'm high enough on the list that the AF wants me to take a flight physical just so I'm ready for when people inevitably start losing their pilot slots. So I'm in that weird limbo where I'm going to have a flight physical, yet I don't actually have a slot.[/QUOTE]
I'm unaware of the process and I believe you might be able to give me some insight. Under the circumstances an individual acquires a pilots slot, when is that individual notified of what aircraft they will train to fly in? Once the pilot completes training for that said aircraft, how long does it take to receive notification of what base they will be stationed at?
Feel free to message me if you acquire an Air-to-ground aircraft. I can help you out, and give you some tips that other pilots fail to notice.
Pilot-selects attend Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT) after graduating college and earning their commission. (Unless they get picked up for Euro-Nato Joint Jet Pilot Training (ENJJPT) which is an international flying school specific to fighter jets, and much more intensive.) UPT takes about two years and is a general flying school where they fly trainers and earn their wings. Near the end of UPT, pilots put in for what airframe they want.
After that, I'm not certain. I believe they're assigned to a training squadron at an active duty base where they learn how to fly the airframe specific to their specialty. I imagine they would learn their base assignment sometime before graduating UPT.
As far as I know, there are several places someone can go for UPT. It's even possible to cross-train with the Navy, which is cool because the Navy teaches its pilots a little differently than the Air Force.
[QUOTE=Mjolnir82991;39605753]Pilot-selects attend Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT) after graduating college and earning their commission. (Unless they get picked up for Euro-Nato Joint Jet Pilot Training (ENJJPT) which is an international flying school specific to fighter jets, and much more intensive.) UPT takes about two years and is a general flying school where they fly trainers and earn their wings. Near the end of UPT, pilots put in for what airframe they want.
After that, I'm not certain. I believe they're assigned to a training squadron at an active duty base where they learn how to fly the airframe specific to their specialty. I imagine they would learn their base assignment sometime before graduating UPT.
As far as I know, there are several places someone can go for UPT. It's even possible to cross-train with the Navy, which is cool because the Navy teaches its pilots a little differently than the Air Force.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, two things I've found; based on what airframe you do your training on in UPT, that decides what "track" you are on and what aircraft you get to choose at graduation.
Second thing; Navy tells its pilots what they can't do, Air Force what they can. Relates to the nature of the missions of the two branches.
Quick question; what were your AFOQT pilot scores? About how many pilots are there in your class? How many cadets overall?
Lastly, any tips or thoughts? Is it really as enjoyable as I've heard? Or bittersweet?
Best of luck on that pilot slot, I say that with serious empathy and you're making ME anxious.
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I scored a 61 on the pilot section of the AFOQT. Which, if you didn't know how the scoring works, is based on the averages of everyone nationwide who took the test on the same day. So in other words, I did better than 61% of all the people taking the test that day.
There are other stats that go into your Pilot Candidate Selection Method (PCSM) score. There's the Test of Basic Aviation Skills (TBAS), which is where they put you in front of a joystick and pedals and see how well you can track targets and multitask (it's a lot harder than you think.) Then there's your Personal Fitness Assessment (PFA) score, your ranking at Field Training, and your GPA. All of that combines into your PCSM score which is how they rack-and-stack you against other applicants nationwide.
My PCSM was 41 which is okay, we've had people get pilot slots in the past with a lower score than mine. This year we had 7 people applying for rated slots including myself. 5 got pilot, one got Combat Systems Officer. I'm the only one who got wait listed. I go to Det 800, University of Tennessee. We have about 115 cadets overall.
AFROTC is hard work, but the friends you make are what make it enjoyable. Friends are important, especially if you're going to a school away from home and you don't know anybody. Right now, I'd say keep pilot slots in the back of your mind. What you really need to focus on is getting an enrollment allocation to Field Training. That's all the first two years of ROTC is about. Your physical fitness and academics should be your big focus.
[QUOTE=Mjolnir82991;39611273]I scored a 61 on the pilot section of the AFOQT. Which, if you didn't know how the scoring works, is based on the averages of everyone nationwide who took the test on the same day. So in other words, I did better than 61% of all the people taking the test that day.
There are other stats that go into your Pilot Candidate Selection Method (PCSM) score. There's the Test of Basic Aviation Skills (TBAS), which is where they put you in front of a joystick and pedals and see how well you can track targets and multitask (it's a lot harder than you think.) Then there's your Personal Fitness Assessment (PFA) score, your ranking at Field Training, and your GPA. All of that combines into your PCSM score which is how they rack-and-stack you against other applicants nationwide.
My PCSM was 41 which is okay, we've had people get pilot slots in the past with a lower score than mine. This year we had 7 people applying for rated slots including myself. 5 got pilot, one got Combat Systems Officer. I'm the only one who got wait listed. I go to Det 800, University of Tennessee. We have about 115 cadets overall.
AFROTC is hard work, but the friends you make are what make it enjoyable. Friends are important, especially if you're going to a school away from home and you don't know anybody. Right now, I'd say keep pilot slots in the back of your mind. What you really need to focus on is getting an enrollment allocation to Field Training. That's all the first two years of ROTC is about. Your physical fitness and academics should be your big focus.[/QUOTE]
Thats actually a pretty good amount of people to apply and get pilot slots.
I got an 86 on the AFOQT Pilot for a practice test... took it again after some studying and got a 93. I'm in pretty decent shape if that means anything.
But yeah, I understand the whole focusing on academics part. That has to be important for me, since an AE degree is my fallback job if I dislike ROTC in the first two years. Also heard that pilot slots are going to increase in amount slightly until 2015, something to do with new aircraft and retirees(F-35's?)
[QUOTE=paindoc;39615871]Thats actually a pretty good amount of people to apply and get pilot slots.
I got an 86 on the AFOQT Pilot for a practice test... took it again after some studying and got a 93. I'm in pretty decent shape if that means anything.
But yeah, I understand the whole focusing on academics part. That has to be important for me, since an AE degree is my fallback job if I dislike ROTC in the first two years. Also heard that pilot slots are going to increase in amount slightly until 2015, something to do with new aircraft and retirees(F-35's?)[/QUOTE]
There's a good amount of old pilots dropping their aircraft for instructor/desk jockey roles. At least in the AF.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;39615955]There's a good amount of old pilots dropping their aircraft for instructor/desk jockey roles. At least in the AF.[/QUOTE]
I graduate HS next year though, so won't get out of college until 2018. What year are pilot slots assigned?
[QUOTE=paindoc;39615974]I graduate HS next year though, so won't get out of college until 2018. What year are pilot slots assigned?[/QUOTE]
I know for a fact that slots open up every year. However I'm unsure about how often they get assigned. I would assess that it's yearly.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;39616091]I know for a fact that slots open up every year. However I'm unsure about how often they get assigned. I would assess that it's yearly.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't sure whether slots were assigned as a senior or junior is what I meant
Rated slots are given during junior year.
oh man, I'm very new to military, and I was wondering if you could help me out?
I'm taking a year off right now, inbetween my 2nd and 3rd year of college, and I had thoughts of joining the AFROTC
I wanted to ask you:
a) how would I best position myself to be selected for the 3rd and 4th year? am I too late to join?
b) how much of a commitment is it during school? does it take up a lot of time away from your schedule?
c) also, how do reserve officers work? I have this image in my head that it's like a weekend part time job for x years or something, but I don't think that's right.
[QUOTE=cunts;39618214]oh man, I'm very new to military, and I was wondering if you could help me out?
I'm taking a year off right now, inbetween my 2nd and 3rd year of college, and I had thoughts of joining the AFROTC
I wanted to ask you:
a) how would I best position myself to be selected for the 3rd and 4th year? am I too late to join?
b) how much of a commitment is it during school? does it take up a lot of time away from your schedule?
c) also, how do reserve officers work? I have this image in my head that it's like a weekend part time job for x years or something, but I don't think that's right.[/QUOTE]
For ROTC I would suggest you get onto the 3rd year boat if it's possible. Generally, college kids try to get in on ROTC at freshman and sophomore to test out the waters and have a chance to get a scholarship and contract. If you can manage to get a AFROTC scholarship along with a contract in your junior year of college that could be a good thing.
Coming from AROTC, they are going to say that 'Academics is important.' [b]No.[/b] They'll start giving you more responsibilities to deal with and it's basically another whole college class. Maybe get a lab, a few classes throughout the week and a morning workout. You really have to be johnny-on-the-spot though, especially since you're coming in so late, others may see you as an upstart. You will also have to start revolving your academic classes around your AFROTC ones too, especially when you're contracted. Signing that contract, you promised to become an officer in the military after you get your degree, they want to be damn sure that you are going to get there.
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