[hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlszwKVVP0[/hd]
The differences between Mafia II and Mafia III.
[editline]9th October 2016[/editline]
Didn't know it was such a downgrade, wow.
^ It's like GTA V vs IV.
To be fair, the smoke and debris showcased in the Mafia II portion of the video required PhysX.
What the fuck is up with those mirror reflections?
Who looks at that and thinks "Yep, that looks like what a mirror would do."
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;51177778]To be fair, the smoke and debris showcased in the Mafia II portion of the video required PhysX.[/QUOTE]
With the GPUs and CPUs today, that shouldn't be an issue to have [I]the same[/I] debris and smoke.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51175731][hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlszwKVVP0[/hd]
The differences between Mafia II and Mafia III.
[editline]9th October 2016[/editline]
Didn't know it was such a downgrade, wow.[/QUOTE]
2 has actually good mirrors
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;51177778]To be fair, the smoke and debris showcased in the Mafia II portion of the video required PhysX.[/QUOTE]
But the PhysX required would work on software and the components of the time were capable of doing it no problem. I put way too many hours into mafia 2 pc and I remember exactly how it ran on my mediocre hardware at the time.
This game (appears to) run worse on equivalent hardware with less going on.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51175731][hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlszwKVVP0[/hd]
The differences between Mafia II and Mafia III.
[editline]9th October 2016[/editline]
Didn't know it was such a downgrade, wow.[/QUOTE]
he made a new one with Mafia 1
[video=youtube;mQ1YMeY07xI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ1YMeY07xI[/video]
Mafia I was practically an open world sim with how complex some of its mechanics were for its time. II was a mix of that and more traditional gameplay elements, and I remember people complaining about that at the time. III looks like they basically abandoned any real immersive elements to be just another open-world action game.
Mafia 2 still had some of those functions left in the engine. Like police giving you a ticket for running a red light, etc.
They ended up cutting all the sandbox elements shown throughout its development.
Imagine a proper Mafia I remaster
So, I'm not going to lie.
I had a [B]really[/B] hard time telling Mafia 2 and Mafia 3 apart in that video, graphically. And half the time, the one I thought looked better graphically was actually Mafia 2.
That's pretty sad, for a game that came out this year versus a game that came out 6 years ago.
Honestly, those videos aren't representative of much of the visuals I see when I play. Night time in this game is impressive. Day time less so.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51184912]So, I'm not going to lie.
I had a [B]really[/B] hard time telling Mafia 2 and Mafia 3 apart in that video, graphically. And half the time, the one I thought looked better graphically was actually Mafia 2.
That's pretty sad, for a game that came out this year versus a game that came out 6 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair, when Mafia 2 came out it was quite ahead of the competition with a lot of what it did and it's aged amazingly, it shows how an open world story driven game should be with all the little extras for player interaction, you don't think about it but being able to interact with household objects is a lot more fun than just seeing them as static objects, its the little things that improve it overall, hell the cars and driving in 2 is vastly superior to 3 and any other open world game I've seen recently, being able to interact fully with the vehicle and even attempt fixing it is just something you don't see.
So I played mafia 2 and really enjoyed it, and my girlfriend is really eager to see III because of the setting, not minding downgrades is it worth it?
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;51184859]Imagine a proper Mafia I remaster[/QUOTE]
Imagine a not downgraded Mafia 3
:(
[QUOTE=J!NX;51185839]Imagine a not downgraded Mafia 3
:([/QUOTE]
To be fair though comparing the video footage to in gamefootage, it's not as "blurry" for me
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The differences between Mafia II and Mafia III.
[editline]9th October 2016[/editline]
Didn't know it was such a downgrade, wow.[/QUOTE]
The entire time I Watched this I thought Mafia II was better graphically, but I only knew it was Mafia II because of context, I wasn't aware of which one was which. Mafia II really does a better job in all of the showcased areas
[editline]11th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Talvy;51176025]^ It's like GTA V vs IV.[/QUOTE]
That's totally not right though. GTA V vs GTA IV was mostly AI differenced, but you could clearly see GTA V had way more technical expertise and small-detail immersion in it that GTA IV didn't accomplish as well. If you're talking technical wise, it would be like GTA V was Mafia II in this situation. Unless that is what you're saying
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51184912]So, I'm not going to lie.
I had a [B]really[/B] hard time telling Mafia 2 and Mafia 3 apart in that video, graphically. And half the time, the one I thought looked better graphically was actually Mafia 2.
That's pretty sad, for a game that came out this year versus a game that came out 6 years ago.[/QUOTE]
I stopped watching the video because I haven't played any of the games and I couldn't really tell which was which without labels. At least it wasn't immediately apparent.
Mafia III has that square minimap.
[QUOTE=ChicagoMobster;51185837]So I played mafia 2 and really enjoyed it, and my girlfriend is really eager to see III because of the setting, not minding downgrades is it worth it?[/QUOTE]
It's a better game than 2 by a long shot
[QUOTE=redBadger;51187746]It's a better game than 2 by a long shot[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate? Because I disagree fully.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51187840]Care to elaborate? Because I disagree fully.[/QUOTE]
Well the core gameplay loop is far more interesting, and far more fun.
The story itself is a lot better and very well done. It's a lot more engaging and gives the player more reasons to be engaged, IMO.
It's the detail work of Mafia 2 that makes Mafia 3 look bad. But that's kinda weak in my opinion. Mafia 2 is a pretty boring, and pretty bland game. It's a very meticulously designed game that ultimately feels super hollow. Sure, my feet leave blood trails, sure there's lots of that kind of detail work. But that's [B]it[/B] for Mafia 2.
Mafia 1 is the real treasure of the series, and Mafia 3 is an okay attempt to make a gameplay loop in the Mafia world that actually is entertaining.
Mafia 2 was a very linear game with basic sections everywhere I felt. There was no real choice or way to go about things. It was just super detailed. That was cool, but I don't think that makes a game better or worse. Just detailed. Details like that don't make a huge difference if they're just surface level, which is what most things in Mafia 2 were. Surface level interactions. They didn't lead further. Sadly Mafia 3 doesn't make those small surface interactions into a big thing, but it still does interesting things.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51187863]Well the core gameplay loop is far more interesting, and far more fun.
The story itself is a lot better and very well done. It's a lot more engaging and gives the player more reasons to be engaged, IMO.
It's the detail work of Mafia 2 that makes Mafia 3 look bad. But that's kinda weak in my opinion. Mafia 2 is a pretty boring, and pretty bland game. It's a very meticulously designed game that ultimately feels super hollow. Sure, my feet leave blood trails, sure there's lots of that kind of detail work. But that's [B]it[/B] for Mafia 2.
Mafia 1 is the real treasure of the series, and Mafia 3 is an okay attempt to make a gameplay loop in the Mafia world that actually is entertaining.
Mafia 2 was a very linear game with basic sections everywhere I felt. There was no real choice or way to go about things. It was just super detailed. That was cool, but I don't think that makes a game better or worse. Just detailed. Details like that don't make a huge difference if they're just surface level, which is what most things in Mafia 2 were. Surface level interactions. They didn't lead further. Sadly Mafia 3 doesn't make those small surface interactions into a big thing, but it still does interesting things.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion in pure terms of gameplay it's Mafia 1 > Mafia 2 > Mafia 3.
And that's only because of the attention to detail, and the fact that Mafia 3 doesn't even have actual ragdolls, just an animation that plays out and then they're static, and your car will stay pristine no matter what you do to it.
So mafia 3 ends up feeling more video gamey than anything else?
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51187927]In my opinion in pure terms of gameplay it's Mafia 1 > Mafia 2 > Mafia 3.
And that's only because of the attention to detail, and the fact that Mafia 3 doesn't even have actual ragdolls, just an animation that plays out and then they're static, and your car will stay pristine no matter what you do to it.[/QUOTE]
Mafia 3 does have ragdolls. It plays canned animations first once someone gets killed like it was popularized in the Call of Duty games. With the animations themselves being based on context which seems to emulate how GTA IV's Euphoria system does it e.g. when a guy is next to a barrel and shoot him, he grabs onto the barrel behind him before slumping over.
Here's a hilarious glitch even to demonstrate its presence of ragdoll physics :v:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQ-wIFLLzI[/media]
[QUOTE=redBadger;51187746]It's a better game than 2 by a long shot[/QUOTE]
Mafia 2 had content taken out of it in bulk. It might have been fine performance-wise but it was literally a ghost of what it truly should have been.
Not to say I didn't enjoy it but I don't see how a game that was less than half of what it should have been is somehow better than a game with patchable performance issues.
[QUOTE=ChicagoMobster;51188026]So mafia 3 ends up feeling more video gamey than anything else?[/QUOTE]
That's a very good way to summarize it. It takes a lot of the modern sandbox gameplay elements we had over the past few years that were present in games like Just Cause 2 & 3, Far Cry 3 & 4, Mad Max, Assassin's Creed, etc. with territory/stronghold takeovers, upgrade systems, choice of head on approach vs stealth and the likes. Mafia 1 & 2 always had the open world more of a large backdrop for a tightly scripted linear story, which separated it from the likes of true open world games like Grand Theft Auto. Mafia 3 felt like the closest to the original games during the first 2 hours with its introductory missions which were pretty linear. After that, it feels more like the usual open world sandbox shtick with side-quests and such most popular open world games released today.
I can see how older fans can be upset about it, on top of the lost of the really fine details that really boasted the realism and atmosphere the 2 previous games had, along with less better pacing on the story. Having being a fan of the Mafia series since the first one came out, I did feel the same sentiment on where 3 fell short. However I do think it is a really fun open world game with a very well written story and likable characters all around. There's also plenty of technical issues at the moment and it can suffer from the usual repetition most open world games seem to suffer as well.
Still, Mafia 3 does also feature a lot of improvements such as the gunplay being really satisfying, like with each weapon feeling like they pack a lot of punch while giving the player mostly little ammo making every shot count. The driving with simulation mode on is as fun as they were like they were in Mafia 1 & 2, with a lot of weight and feel while driving around different cars. It is also has a bit more replay value thanks to it being more of an open world sandbox (though it does make it a bigger shame it lost the finer details the previous games had since its simulation-like details and features would had been perfect for Mafia 3's more open sandbox backdrop). Still at the end of the day, it is a really fun sandbox game on its own and I can easily recommend it to anyone who wants a engaging single-player story experience. However, I'd advise most people to wait it out once all the bugs are squashed and performance optimized first, and perhaps a good sale price before grabbing it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51187863]Well the core gameplay loop is far more interesting, and far more fun.
The story itself is a lot better and very well done. It's a lot more engaging and gives the player more reasons to be engaged, IMO.
It's the detail work of Mafia 2 that makes Mafia 3 look bad. But that's kinda weak in my opinion. Mafia 2 is a pretty boring, and pretty bland game. It's a very meticulously designed game that ultimately feels super hollow. Sure, my feet leave blood trails, sure there's lots of that kind of detail work. But that's [B]it[/B] for Mafia 2.
Mafia 1 is the real treasure of the series, and Mafia 3 is an okay attempt to make a gameplay loop in the Mafia world that actually is entertaining.
Mafia 2 was a very linear game with basic sections everywhere I felt. There was no real choice or way to go about things. It was just super detailed. That was cool, but I don't think that makes a game better or worse. Just detailed. Details like that don't make a huge difference if they're just surface level, which is what most things in Mafia 2 were. Surface level interactions. They didn't lead further. Sadly Mafia 3 doesn't make those small surface interactions into a big thing, but it still does interesting things.[/QUOTE]
Basically this. While I would have preferred the return of some realistic elements that made it stand out to other open world games, this one was miles more fun to play than the rest. Hoping 4 combines what made 2 and 3 great for their very different ways.
A vast, VAST majority of mafia 2 was driving around listening to conversations, getting from conversation to conversation with vast amounts of character development but barely any compelling story to be had. I loved the characters, but their actions really didn't amount to much. It felt like they had a framework for a good story, but didn't come through for a good portion of it. The actual action sections were also mostly boring and had no substance to them. Small details [B]do not matter[/B] when there is little substance to the game. Though, what is there is very charismatic.
Mafia 3 simply had better characters, better motives for those characters, better plot, and an amazing finale. Yes it has a ton of technical shortcomings, AI especially, but at least combat was plentiful and mostly satisfying, something I wanted from mafia 2 but never got. The driving felt better and the gunplay isn't even comparable to 2. A majority of plot points were resolved and then some, unlike 2 where a ton was left unanswered. Freedom of choice was a nice touch as well, and a lot of choices do play out differently.
Mafia 4 needs to be similar to Mafia 3, but bring back the realistic elements and details that made 2 and 1 special. Regardless, 3 was a superior game to 2 IMO simply because it was the more satisfying experience. I was given a better story along with better gameplay that lasted me around 30 hours of play.
[editline]11th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51187927]In my opinion in pure terms of gameplay it's Mafia 1 > Mafia 2 > Mafia 3.
And that's only because of the attention to detail, and the fact that Mafia 3 doesn't even have actual ragdolls, just an animation that plays out and then they're static, and your car will stay pristine no matter what you do to it.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I prefer death animations over ragdolls any day. People don't just flop down when you kill them. Mafia 3 they fell down and react differently depending on where you hit them, and if you didn't shoot them in the head, they would roll around in pain for awhile until they eventually died.
Those were very good descriptions thank you guys, I've been on the fence for getting it once I heard some negative things about it.
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