[QUOTE=critein_protein;34945518]Makes me wish that I was alive in that time so I could take part in WW2. It was the last noble war.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=critein_protein;34945518]Makes me wish that I was alive in that time so I could take part in WW2. It was the last noble war.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=critein_protein;34945518]Makes me wish that I was alive in that time so I could take part in WW2. It was the last noble war.[/QUOTE]
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I can not understand why there aren't more movies/tv-series about the ostfront, it was the largest invasion in history and there was sooo much fucked up shit going on there.
[QUOTE=proch;34947596]For some reason I feel more sympathy towards the German.
Actually, the Red Army was rather the pillaging, raping and razing one.[/QUOTE]
The German SS was ordered to kill any civilians they came across because they were part of a communist country, and Jews and Communism were some of the things Hitler hated most. (And Gypsies, homosexuals, e.t.c)
I'm sure the Red Army had it's fair share of horrible war crimes too, but not nearly on the scale of the Germans. The German army (The SS in particular) was actually responsibly for wiping out entire villages.
Also, to the guy who said WWI was the last noble war, that's bullshit. WWI was actually more brutal than WWII. The tactics and technology were different and didn't work together, causing infamous incidents like the incompetent generals to order British troops to simply "walk" across No Mans Land at the first day of the Somme, resulting in the greatest single loss of life the British army had in a single day (56,000 casualties for the Brits IN ONE FUCKING DAY). Not to mention the brutal improvised weapons like trench clubs inter-mixed with horrible diseases like Trench Foot.
I think the Napoleonic Wars were the last major Noble Wars, but there's not really such a thing as a noble war.
[editline]3rd March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Patjo_sweden;34973941]I can not understand why there aren't more movies/tv-series about the ostfront, it was the largest invasion in history and there was sooo much fucked up shit going on there.[/QUOTE]
Because communists.
[editline]3rd March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;34970347]
I know I said this in one of the other WWII in color threads, but I feel bad knowing there will never be combat like there was in WWII. I mean, all deaths and atrocities aside, WWII was what I consider the last full blown war in terms of combat.
There will never be a tank battle like the Battle of Kursk. There will never be hundreds of thousands of men running across fields together while attacking some city.
As shitty as war is, I'm just speaking in terms of the amazing battles that once were and not in terms of loss of life (even though that's basically the whole point of war).[/QUOTE]
Wasn't Desert Storm a bigger tank battle than Kursk? Yeah sure, it was very one-sided but still.
I don't know, are politicians have very OLD ways of thinking and I wouldn't be surprised if some greedy old bastard decided to start another war on a large scale. The closest we might ever get to that in our lifetimes how ever might be an invasion of Iran, if it happens.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;34975953] Wasn't Desert Storm a bigger tank battle than Kursk? Yeah sure, it was very one-sided but still..[/QUOTE]
Disregarding the fact that desert storm was an entire operation and not a battle, no it wasn't. The battle of 73 easting (The largest tank battle of desert storm to my knowledge) consisted of probably a few hundred tanks. The battle of Kursk consisted of thousands of tanks per side.
[QUOTE=Araknid;34970388]fuck i hate these type of comments.
Basically everyone did wrong things in war, you cant just say "Oh they were worse than them"
I mean i know red army did wrong things but don't you think that the Russians would want to do that sort of stuff after what germany did to them? Especially when concentration camps started getting found.
So you'd act all calm and nice if you were the russians, ok.[/QUOTE]
Giving undisciplined Soldiers free booze to provoke violence towards Polish Civilians [I]on purpose[/I] is totally justified.
Also, the Wehrmacht is not to be taken one with the SS or Gestapo. German soldiers were just Soldiers brainwashed into thinking they are fighting, and dieing for their country, for a cause.
They had no choice but to obey.
[QUOTE=proch;35005490]Giving undisciplined Soldiers free booze to provoke violence towards Polish Civilians [I]on purpose[/I] is totally justified.
Also, the Wehrmacht is not to be taken one with the SS or Gestapo. German soldiers were just Soldiers brainwashed into thinking they are fighting, and dieing for their country, for a cause.
They had no choice but to obey.[/QUOTE]
Or go in prison.
[QUOTE=proch;35005490]Giving undisciplined Soldiers free booze to provoke violence towards Polish Civilians [I]on purpose[/I] is totally justified.
Also, the Wehrmacht is not to be taken one with the SS or Gestapo. German soldiers were just Soldiers brainwashed into thinking they are fighting, and dieing for their country, for a cause.
They had no choice but to obey.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht_war_crimes[/url]
[quote]As a result of this sort of propaganda, the majority of the Wehrmacht Heer officers and soldiers tended to regard the war in Nazi terms, seeing their Soviet opponents as so much sub-human trash deserving to be trampled upon.
As a result of these views, the majority of the German Army worked enthusiastically with the SS in murdering Jews in the Soviet Union. The British historian Richard J. Evans wrote that junior officers tended to be especially zealous National Socialists with a third of them being Nazi Party members in 1941. The Wehrmacht did not just obey Hitler's criminal orders for Barbarossa because of obedience, but rather because they shared Hitler's belief that the Soviet Union was run by Jews, and that it was necessary for Germany to completely destroy "Judeo-Bolshevism". Jürgen Förster wrote that the majority of Wehrmacht officers sincerely believed that most Red Army commissars were Jews, and that the best way to defeat the Soviet Union was to kill all of the commissars so as to deprive the Russian soldiers of their Jewish leaders.[/quote]
I'm amazed that there wasn't a Red Orchestra joke up until now...
[QUOTE=VOSK;34941496]I feel for the men of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and the Kriegsmarine. They thought they were fighting for their country, not for some crazy man's ideals. Most of them didn't even know what the SS and Gestapo were doing.[/QUOTE]
not true at all.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;34936647]Just watching this video, I think, all those people. Who once were are not.
Those people who were in tanks, in trenches, in mortars, on MG's, rushing those hills. Dodging bullets, killing other human beings. Talking to each other before a ambush or a gun shot went off, or a tank that was lost int he desert and the crew killed, or a body left to rot in the ground. People who ran across snow, mud, slush, dug caves..
Truly something remarkable about war. It's a sad thing, but it's true. So many people put their life on the line, for what?
Germany had amazing technology and weaponry. They were great fighters, but what they were doing was all for the wrong reason.[/QUOTE]
history is written by the victors
[url]http://youtubedoubler.com/3q36[/url] mute the german video.
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;34970347]
I know I said this in one of the other WWII in color threads, but I feel bad knowing there will never be combat like there was in WWII. I mean, all deaths and atrocities aside, WWII was what I consider the last full blown war in terms of combat.
There will never be a tank battle like the Battle of Kursk. There will never be hundreds of thousands of men running across fields together while attacking some city.
As shitty as war is, I'm just speaking in terms of the amazing battles that once were and not in terms of loss of life (even though that's basically the whole point of war).[/QUOTE]
I agree that it feels that way, but there's just no way it's not ever going to happen again.
[QUOTE=critein_protein;34945518]Makes me wish that I was alive in that time so I could take part in WW2. It was the last noble war.[/QUOTE]
It was the very first war to include one of the most dishonorable strategies you could ever think of, killing thousands and thousands of innocents via aerial assault to sap the enemy troops moral AND the one of civilians.
I'm sorry but it's not noble. WW2 was the turning point where war stopped being about two armies fighting and started being about two entire nations fighting, including people who were never supposed to fight in the first place. It did happen before, even in medieval times villages were looted, children killed and women raped during wars, but WW2 was when it stopped being a bad consequence and started being an actual strategy.
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