• Halo 5 Launch trailer
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[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48824632]I don't even know where this series is going at this point. Halo was finished after 3 as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE] what about ODST and Reach? Or do you just mean the Master Chief games?
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48824632]I don't even know where this series is going at this point. Halo was finished after 3 as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE] I think Halo died after Bungie dropped out.
Well hey, if you guys are so done with series after 3, then why even bother coming into these threads? You know you're gonna hate what you see, so what's the point coming in to repeat the same thing over and over? If you're done with it, just be done with it. Continuing to complain about it and talk about how done you are with the series in some random forum threads ain't gonna help anything.
i still cant get over how bad lockes voice actor is other than that im actually pretty interested in this, i like the direction the series is going in compared to h4
I swear, if its just "ONI is evil and lied to both sides" I'm going to be livid.
[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;48825885]Well hey, if you guys are so done with series after 3, then why even bother coming into these threads? You know you're gonna hate what you see, so what's the point coming in to repeat the same thing over and over? If you're done with it, just be done with it. Continuing to complain about it and talk about how done you are with the series in some random forum threads ain't gonna help anything.[/QUOTE] Those of us who hate where the series is going don't necessarily hate the series as a whole. I protest the shit that's been lopped out of the door so that, even if I'm a vocal minority, I can perhaps get feedback to the developers and somehow save the ship from sinking. Not liking the new trilogy doesn't mean we don't love Halo. It's like watching your kid grow up and start doing heavy drugs.
[QUOTE=revan740;48826744]Those of us who hate where the series is going don't necessarily hate the series as a whole. I protest the shit that's been lopped out of the door so that, even if I'm a vocal minority, I can perhaps get feedback to the developers and somehow save the ship from sinking. Not liking the new trilogy doesn't mean we don't love Halo. It's like watching your kid grow up and start doing heavy drugs.[/QUOTE] Well, if you're goal's to hope give some feedback to the devs and hope they see it, you'd be a lot better off in a more official forum like Waypoint where there's actually a chance of it being seen. Here, it's pretty much just preaching to the converted.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48826732]I swear, if its just "ONI is evil and lied to both sides" I'm going to be livid.[/QUOTE] i think its more about the idea that the line between good and evil is blurred a lot more at this point in the halo timeline humans are pulling some real scummy shit across the galaxy just as much as aliens
[QUOTE=Tuskin;48825583]what about ODST and Reach? Or do you just mean the Master Chief games?[/QUOTE] I thought ODST was garbage, and I hated Reach because of all the stupid power ups they added. That really threw off the balance in multiplayer.
[QUOTE=revan740;48826744]Those of us who hate where the series is going don't necessarily hate the series as a whole. I protest the shit that's been lopped out of the door so that, even if I'm a vocal minority, I can perhaps get feedback to the developers and [B]somehow save the ship from sinking.[/B] Not liking the new trilogy doesn't mean we don't love Halo. [B]It's like watching your kid grow up and start doing heavy drugs.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but not liking the direction of the story, art, gameplay, or whatever does not equate the new trilogy/saga to a kid doing heavy drugs while you're just the guy sadly watching em die. That is...really short sighted man. You're stating it almost like a fact that the new Halos are an objective failure, that your negative opinion will, in your own words, "save the ship from sinking." Right. How's the ship sinking? Because they're moving in a direction that they want to that disagrees with you? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but that's a silly idea. For all intents and purposes, 343i has a good number of Bungie vets on their team, a lot of the same people who worked on the original trilogy. Obviously they've put a lot of love into Halo 5 and the expanded universe (I just listened to Hunt the Truth and its fantastic). To assume that these developers, who put in countless hours into developing these games, aren't already listening to feedback and making choices from what they want is to really undervalue their visions just for a cheap subjective shot for your own wants. They're more like a grown up kid choosing a different career path than you wanted em to, not kids doing drugs or shooting their own feet or whatever you want to say to negatively paint them as collectively dumb. From what we've seen from the multiplayer beta alone, obviously 343i is listening to feedback while also still trying to work on their own visions. There are lots of signs of them stepping back to older, more liked Halo mechanics while also tweaking other aspects that they've kept. Example: You no longer start with a loadout in Arena matches. That by itself, while it sounds small, is fucking huge. If this were Call of Duty, the next game in the series would just keep iterating on that design until you accept it (also if it were CoD it would just literally have loadouts anyways but hey). They didn't do that though. They listened to feedback and we're back to equal starts for normal Halo multiplayer/arena matches where you fight for weapons on the map and map control. Hell, there's a decent number of other examples of this feedback listening thing they do. Second example: Sprinting. Some people hate it (even though it was implemented in by Bungie first), some people love it...so now its a mixed bag tactical option. Say whaaaat? If you sprint after being shot, it cancels the shield regen countdown. They could have just left the sprint as it was in Halo 4, where sprinting was just something you did always, but nope. It might not satisfy the no sprint crowd, but at least there was some kind of legit in game compromise. Third example: Zoom disengage. In Halo 4, you could be shot and not be zoomed out if you were sniping or taking mid-range pot shots. In Halo 5, even with the new zoom/ADS system, they've taken that away. You get shot, you get unzoomed. I personally don't care much for this, but it was a complaint people had and they went back on the design for it. Fourth example: No more ordinance drops. No more someone getting a few kills then just magically spawning an overshield or power weapon at their feet to kill even more. Great! (Yeah they've got the REQ stuff in Warzone, but that's obviously a different beast that feels more like Halo + Titanfall + Planetside) Fifth example: No more loadout armor abilities, so nothing ridiculous like "SEE THROUGH WALL" or "DEPLOY HEALING BUBBLE" at the pretty frequent push of a button. There's probably tons of examples of stuff they went back on between Halo 4 and Halo 5 that I didn't list/don't know of. Point is, they've tweaked so many things inbetween a single game that most devs would have either just left in or wouldn't realize until 2-3 games later. We've also seen various map tweaks and other balance changes between the beta to now, so obviously the beta from 10 months ago was useful. I'm not trying to jerk off 343i, but they get so much flack in these threads that paints them as dickwads incapable of listening, all because they have their own vision for the series they want to make. Their second Halo isn't even out yet but its talked about like its already the failure of the century...which will be a damn shame if it actually has elements the naysayers will like once everything is in context. (This is segue by the way, sorry for using you Revan740) I guess that's the biggest thing, what are the naysayers looking for? Legitimately, will some of you even play Halo 5? Did you play Halo 4? Have you thought about the expanded universe that Halo has been building up since Halo 1? (That's vastly being expanded upon by 343i) Do you even care about that EU? What made the original Halos so different, "better" even, from what we're getting now that objectively makes the new saga so awful? Especially when the second entry hasn't even come out yet? Without nostalgia, are the original Halos all that great? (spoilers, hell yes, but bear with me here) I question all this because while I can understand the complaints people have (343i's take on Halo is, of course, different on many levels), there are a decent number of people who phrase their negative views like they haven't even been keeping up with the series or at least its development. I've seen a guy say he's never played past the first Halo, a guy say he hated all of the original trilogy, people who still don't know that the series has like 20 books, and even a few people who say fuck game books. Just a lot of varying perspectives that don't have a lot of context to go off of before they comment. I guess I could see these trailers and cutscene glimpses being weird without context as to what they mean, though I'll never have that perspective since I liberally want to know more (I just bought 15 Halo books a couple of days ago, with more in the mail). Regardless, every single time a Halo 5 thread pops up, I see a lot of negative posts that just repeatedly, sometimes vaguely (and always super subjectively) rip into the new series. Obviously I have different tastes and as such I expect a whole different set of things from Halo than others, but usually most of the complaints I see feel petty. Y'know, things that can be summed up as kneejerk reactions from pretty cynical folks. Oh man now we look directly down sights and still sprint? "Fucking Call of Duty modernization." Opening action sequence/cinematic where people who are literal superhumans make a fast paced bad ass entry through a battle? "Ugh, unrealistic, un-"Spartan-like," Marvel bullshit." New art team and different art direction? "MUH ANIMES." Live action marketing campaign emphasizing the character shifts, unfolding events, and shady government cover ups across a galaxy recovering from a war we helped end? "Looks fucking dumb." People are always entitled to their opinions, but damn, its like reading YouTube comments sometimes. Which can be pretty amusing, but it gets old after 15 threads of "Jesus christ 343i is the devil and they've ruined Halo forever." Now Halo has always, ever since Halo 1, been blasted by random "vocal minorities" as bland, uninteresting, generic shooters. They bashed repetitive level design, small enemy variations, piss poor character development, weak narratives, and probably many other things. Personally, I can see where all of those complaints are coming from but even with that I still enjoyed the original trilogy (and Halo 4). From my perspective, it seems like some of you guys are literally hating on the new Halos for improving on the things people already complained about in the old games. In a way, a lot of the negative feedback I see about the new Halo series seemingly just wants it to stagnate in the same state as always. Its...kind of an ironic parallel, I guess. As we actually start developing the Halo lore more, the Halo characters more, the Halo technology more, etc, people say its all too much and that it should go back or just stop entirely. I can't agree entirely with either of those perspectives. I loved Halo growing up, and I love it now. 343i is making Halo into a broad series/universe, one that has tons of things going on across its galaxy, across various time periods, all as it progresses forward..and that's the best possible outcome that a kid me could have wanted, that an adult me is really enjoying. Its becoming like Star Wars with how many types of media it has, and just like Star Wars (along with many other series), I want more Halo. Books, movies, TV shows, music, audio diaries, and games. Its milking the cow for absolute sure, but its of a series that I love and I haven't really hated what we've gotten so far. Honestly, unlike a lot of game series that we're getting, Halo is shaking it up by [I]not[/I] giving us the same game over and over again. At least it doesn't feel like it yet. Halo 4 and Halo 5 seem like the logical continued progression of a series that one should expect. We're getting more characters, developing the ones we still have, incorporating the books/expanded universe, implementing new gameplay mechanics (that make more sense in Halo than it does in other games), escalating the drama, etc, all while still at least having the solid basis of the original Halos that we've had for so long. We're still going from skirmish to skirmish with solid and engaging shooting mechanics while trying to save the galaxy. We're even still going against our favorite Elite, Grunt, Jackal combos. Yes, the art is different, the music is different, the sounds are different, the types of cutscenes are different, the tone isn't the same as before, etc, but none of that truly matters with where we are. We literally have a different studio working on the series, and we're logistically, in the story and real life, past the point where we'd even have the same tone or story telling of the previous games. Hell, thanks to 343i, if I want more Halo 1, 2, or 3, I can literally play them in an HD updated state on my Xbox One, with a complete graphic overhaul of Halo 1 and 2 to boot. (With that said, I understand the sentiment of wanting games more along the lines of the first games, I'm just trying to make a point.) Nothing will ever truly beat the original Halos in terms of my nostalgia and appreciation for them. That's just something that's come along with growing up, they're ingrained into my life and game preferences. But I loved Halo 4. I enjoyed seeing the Chief talk more in Halo 4 than he did through 1-3 combined, I enjoyed the bombastic drama of the Didact and his magic space prison/ball of doom, I was amused with being thrown confusingly back into the fray just as much as Chief was after the time gap, and I was...legitimately...emotionally distraught over the events that occurred towards the end. There were a lot of REALLY good parts of Halo 4, even with all the rough edges that came with 343i suddenly picking up from where Bungie (disappointingly) left off. It felt like a proper new beginning, moving on to a new fight and new dilemmas with new...a lot of things. Now we're getting a next-gen Halo, running at a natural 60FPS, with all the lessons 343i has been gleaning from Halo 4, with a story that's trying to show us more than just the galaxy saving...but its being shot down so hard before its even out? Meh. We're in a different time than the original Halos (its been 8 years since Halo 3 came out [holy shit]), I think it shouldn't be expected of a company to completely stagnate over a decade of game design for the sake of what might be mostly nostalgia. I guess all I'm trying to do is also say my piece and give a different perspective, since a lot of these Halo threads die out quickly with the sometimes uninterrupted series of "Man, fuck Halo 4/5 and 343i." I'm probably the bigot here since I can't hop on board the hate train so readily. I can't unlike Halo 4 or turn down my hype for Halo 5...unless Halo 5 comes out in a truly, objectively, awful state (...like the Master Chief Collection!). But so many things tell me that it will be at least decent, like the resurgence of the Halo Esports (with the pros also playtesting multiplayer), the either completely reverted or tweaked game mechanics people disliked in Halo 4, the appearance of some of my favorite characters from the books, Warzone (!), the stories from the extended universe/books/audio logs, the Republic Commando like squad gameplay, and bit more (like my own tastes in FPS games being...almost completely based around Halo). So uh...yeah. Opinions are quite something.
As far as I'm concerned Halo 3 was the last good story driven game. Remember finish the fight from Halo 3? Well looks like it's never gonna end.
[QUOTE=Aide;48829847]As far as I'm concerned Halo 3 was the last good story driven game. Remember finish the fight from Halo 3? Well looks like it's never gonna end.[/QUOTE] "Finish the fight" obviously referred to the Covie-Human + Flood conflict, which we blew up a superstructure at the edge of the galaxy to do. This is silly.
[QUOTE=Aide;48829847]As far as I'm concerned Halo 3 was the last good story driven game. Remember finish the fight from Halo 3? Well looks like it's never gonna end.[/QUOTE] IMO ODST was also great, I never played reach as my X360 RROD'd and I had money to spend on better things (4870x2 aaaa), so I'll never know if it was "fun". [editline]4th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=GaLm;48829908]"Finish the fight" obviously referred to the Covie-Human + Flood conflict, which we blew up a superstructure at the edge of the galaxy to do. This is silly.[/QUOTE] At this rate, my kids, and their kids in turn will be playing Halo 10. Ha1o: No breaks on the fight train
[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;48826783]Well, if you're goal's to hope give some feedback to the devs and hope they see it, you'd be a lot better off in a more official forum like Waypoint where there's actually a chance of it being seen. Here, it's pretty much just preaching to the converted.[/QUOTE] Actually if you do voice your complaints about the direction Halo is going on the waypoint forums you get banned.
This has been said like 1000s times but I just can't play console shooters anymore, a gamepad is too awkward for me to even start trying to play halo 5.
I only really dislike the story and art elements of the 343 Halo games. I've owned and played all the Halo games up till 4, which came out after I stopped playing console games and I've read some of the novels. I'm sure the gameplay of the newer games are fine on their own, I can't judge that for myself. I just dislike it seems that 343 is really focusing on my least favorite aspect of the Halo universe; which is the whole ONI super-conspiracy stuff. I also dislike that the tone is drastically different from the Bungie games. Also the Forerunner are getting way less mysterious and interesting. This might just be 343 adapting EU stuff, but some things should just be left unexplained. My biggest gripe though is that the new games have adopted the mantra of humans being the superior master race. Technology has increased incredibly, more and more Spartans are being made, and it seems like Humanity is now the dominant force in the galaxy. Even though its only been 4 years in between 3 and 4 where humans were left with 1 ruined planet and only survived due to a couple of key reliefs. Story aside a lot of people could agree that the new artstyle looks weird. Its too sleek, angular, and hyper-futuristic. I mean even the Covenant didn't look as high-tech as the new UNSC gear, and they were leaps ahead of them. Anyways thats just my opinion and I feel like I have some good reasons behind it. I just felt the need to chime in without being overly critical (my last post was pretty circlejerky). If I'm factually wrong on anything however, then please feel free to correct me.
[video=youtube;rwvqyxrDWqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvqyxrDWqk[/video] the music is a return to greatness after the mess that was halo 4's music
[QUOTE=GaLm;48829070]lots of fucking words[/QUOTE] I love you so much
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