Every 16 year old in Sweden is given a book on how to be a feminist. - General

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49801375]In the video he criticizes Swedish feminism with facts and plenty of examples.[/QUOTE] So...? The book in question isn't Swedish or spreading what he criticises. His problems with it are that he sees it as irrelevant in their country, and doesn't think it should be the sole source given out.

The whole 'Sweden sucks' thing is a smokescreen made up by the Swedish so that people stop wanting to move there, so they can have the highest living standards in the world all by themselves. ^ that statement was meant to be a joke, but it sounds a lot like the way people talk about immigration in Sweden

[QUOTE=BenJammin';49801231]Sweden is a laughing stock.[/QUOTE] Yeah, America must build a wall around it.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49802061] Take women in STEM fields for example, they're an itty bitty minority, why? "Well, it's obvious, people with tits and vaginas are programmed by nature to like things like clothing design, oh, and being a kitchen slave" It may be true to some extent, but can you honestly say that most guys would not be ridiculed or at the very least be seen as "gay" or "weird" for liking typically "girly" things? If you can't, then why would the same not be applicable to women? Now you may say something along the lines of "yeah well people judge them because that's what nature has programmed us to do"[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/truth-women-stem-careers/[/url] [url]http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract[/url] <-Women in STEM. [QUOTE=Rixxz2;49802061]"nobody has rights anymore except them darn mudskins and women!!!"[/QUOTE] Misrepresenting the refugee crisis like this isn't constructive. [QUOTE=Rixxz2;49802061]Also, I do not at all understand the mental gymnastics behind "Saying that the most competent person should get the job is intolerant". What is even going on anymore?[/QUOTE] Third wave feminism is about censorship and giving women preferential treatment.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49801375]In the video he criticizes Swedish feminism with facts and plenty of examples.[/QUOTE] how is this bad

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49801269]Nah, there's the third-wave feminism that's devolved into rubbish but there's still plenty of good third-wave material out there. Really the difference between second and third-wave boils down to a rejection of the "sisterhood" that comes with the former. A lot of its theory comes from white, middle class western women that don't speak on the behalf of other backgrounds, so third-wave popped up to fill the role and got going from there.[/QUOTE] Some parts of it are decent, but they are eclipsed by the bad. We've yet to achieve the objectives of second wave feminism and, in failing to do so, are actively making it more difficult by needlessly antagonizing the status quo with third wave feminism. Third wave feminism is an infected limb. It has to be cut off to save the host.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49802601][url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/truth-women-stem-careers/[/url] [url]http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract[/url] <-Women in STEM. [/quote] The fact is that I never stated that studies like these have got it all wrong, nor that things are black and white. [quote] Misrepresenting the refugee crisis like this isn't constructive. [/quote] I never even mentioned the refugee crisis [quote] Third wave feminism is about censorship and giving women preferential treatment.[/QUOTE] And that's absolutely retarded and has to stop

nevermind

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49802757]The fact is that I never stated that studies like these have got it all wrong, nor that things are black and white. [/QUOTE] then what were you trying to say?

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49802061]However, what many people seem to miss, is that it's just as retarded to say that, for instance a woman, should NOT get a job, even though she IS fully qualified and has the kind of competence that's required, simply because "but, it's a girl, she not supposed to do that kind of stuff" And shit like that is harmful, because it will keep people from doing what they actually want to do. [/QUOTE] i haven't heard that used as a genuine argument in years

People shouldn't be given ideological books by the state, people should be free from outside influences to make there own decisions or judgement's about the world, be they right or wrong.

I feel quite content with this country, and wouldn't rather live anywhere else at the moment. The surge of minor cases of feminism I may or may not disagree with isn't going to change that. I think the country does a lot of things right (i.e. free education), and focusing on the smaller negatives seem a little strange to me..

[QUOTE=Galaxy;49803814]I feel quite content with this country, and wouldn't rather live anywhere else at the moment. The surge of minor cases of feminism I may or may not disagree with isn't going to change that. I think the country does a lot of things right (i.e. free education), and focusing on the smaller negatives seem a little strange to me..[/QUOTE] the more perfect a thing is the more noticeable the smaller flaws are

[QUOTE=elowin;49803694]then what were you trying to say?[/QUOTE] The exact same thing I said? That both factors are influential [quote] "Well, it's obvious, people with tits and vaginas are programmed by nature to like things like clothing design, oh, and being a kitchen slave" It may be true to some extent, but can you honestly say that most guys would not be ridiculed or at the very least be seen as "gay" or "weird" for liking typically "girly" things? If you can't, then why would the same not be applicable to women? [/quote]

Why is the first page full of reactionary 15 year olds who didn't even read the first thing about the book and the author?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49801126]Amazing insight into a book we're not actually sure exists. I'm sure you've got some solid evidence for this claim right?[/QUOTE] I mean the article clearly states that it's sweden

I don't think this is limited to all 16 year olds. My girlfriend recently got this book in her Swedish class and she's turning 18 soon. I didn't know that this was a national thing, though. Her teacher is a self-proclaimed feminist so I figured that was the reason. She read it and said it was pretty goddamn bad and didn't really have much to do about feminism, though.

[QUOTE=Jocken300;49803928]I don't think this is limited to all 16 year olds. My girlfriend recently got this book in her Swedish class and she's turning 18 soon. I didn't know that this was a national thing, though. Her teacher is a self-proclaimed feminist so I figured that was the reason. She read it and said it was pretty goddamn bad and didn't really have much to do about feminism, though.[/QUOTE] Can you ask her why?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49803963]Can you ask her why?[/QUOTE] Sure, gonna see her after work today so I guess I can bring it up.

[QUOTE=Galaxy;49803814]I feel quite content with this country, and wouldn't rather live anywhere else at the moment. The surge of minor cases of feminism I may or may not disagree with isn't going to change that. I think the country does a lot of things right (i.e. free education), and focusing on the smaller negatives seem a little strange to me..[/QUOTE] Agreed, Sweden is still a good country to live in, people are getting mad because things are starting to go to shit though. For example, our "free" healthcare which is paid for by everyone is now underfunded and of really poor quality. You can see this by looking at how we handle both chronic and acute patients now days or by asking our burnt out paper-pushing doctors. "Free" education is a great thing and in Sweden you do have all the possibilities of becoming what you want, which is great. Yet our children are getting worse and worse grades in both elementary school and high school with and emphasis on math. Our whole system of how you get into a higher education is in fact retarded. For example, we are in dire need of doctors but to become one you need A's in all classes including unrelated stuff that you took like choir. Granted, you could also get the highest result possible on a super hard stress test consisting of easy math and Swedish words everyone stopped using in the 30's but that is still a poor representation of how well you would do as a med student. Then we have the "issue" of the growing feminism. Feminism in Sweden has brought almost nothing new to the table in terms of equality or human rights in the last 10 maybe even 15 years and I frequently hear feminists both in media and in person that would undermine basic equality and sometimes straight up harm people to further their strange agendas. We have a growing feminist party that openly wants affirmative action and gender quotation, want's to teach their gender theory to kindergartners and wants a non militarized defense that would render Sweden completely defenseless and seriously inhibit our ability to help in countries around the globe. We also have the problem of both the far left and far right extremism growing because of our indecisive and childish politicians. Our opposition isn't even an opposition anymore because the Moderates have the power to topple our current government yet they don't. All because the top politicians won't listen to the majority of the party and don't want to work with the Sweden Democrats, our third largest party which now has a more lenient policy on refugees and immigration/integration than the Moderates themselves. Sweden is great but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out and get upset by stuff like this.

[QUOTE=Galaxy;49803814]I feel quite content with this country, and wouldn't rather live anywhere else at the moment. The surge of minor cases of feminism I may or may not disagree with isn't going to change that. I think the country does a lot of things right (i.e. free education), and focusing on the smaller negatives seem a little strange to me..[/QUOTE] oh no, minor cases of feminism? get yourself checked mate, just in case. always wear a condom

[QUOTE=GunFox;49802653]Some parts of it are decent, but they are eclipsed by the bad. We've yet to achieve the objectives of second wave feminism and, in failing to do so, are actively making it more difficult by needlessly antagonizing the status quo with third wave feminism. Third wave feminism is an infected limb. It has to be cut off to save the host.[/QUOTE] But it's not like skipping to stage three when stage two isn't complete. They're two different perspectives, both with good and bad in them. Like GarbageCan said, second-wave also has its flaws. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49802601]Third wave feminism is about censorship and giving women preferential treatment.[/QUOTE] No it isn't, not collectively to all third-wave feminists. One of the primary aims of third-wave feminism is to represent women of all ethnicities and backgrounds, so you can even define Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie as a third-wave feminist. Her essay/book has nothing to do with what you defined. However, there are/were radical second-wave feminists so I don't know why you're treating this as a new thing.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49803908]Why is the first page full of reactionary 15 year olds who didn't even read the first thing about the book and the author?[/QUOTE] Because any discussion involving feminism and Sweden collapses into a landscape devoid of critical thinking, research, and nuance.