• Is Zootopia Racist? - Wisecrack Edition
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51029084]analogous doesn't mean 'exactly the same' or else an analogy would just be called an explanation[/QUOTE] I think you are the most frustrating person to talk with that I've ever seen. I said that there's no analogy to real world races. You disagreed with that statement. I've been asking you to explain the race analogy presented in the movie ever since and you keep replying with these weird posts with no arguments in them. First you copypasted dictionary definition of analogy and now you are telling me "analogous doesn't mean[B] 'exactly the same'[/B]" in reply to a post where I said "[B]comparable in certain respects[/B]". What? Where did that come from? I have not a slightest idea what the hell are you talking about here. Can you actually articulate your argument and tell me what the analogy that you're saying exist is exactly or are you again going to reply with another definition or whatever you are doing here?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51029143]I think you are the most frustrating person to talk with that I've ever seen. I said that there's no analogy to real world races. You disagreed with that statement. I've been asking you to explain the race analogy presented in the movie ever since and you keep replying with these weird posts with no arguments in them. First you copypasted dictionary definition of analogy and now you are telling me "analogous doesn't mean[B] 'exactly the same'[/B]" in reply to a post where I said "[B]comparable in certain respects[/B]". What? Where did that come from? I have not a slightest idea what the hell are you talking about here. Can you actually articulate your argument and tell me what the analogy that you're saying exist is exactly or are you again going to reply with another definition or whatever you are doing here?[/QUOTE] it's obviously analogous to real world races. it doesn't have to be analogous to [I]specific[/I] races because that's not what analogous means
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51029163]it's obviously analogous to real world races. it doesn't have to be analogous to [I]specific[/I] races because that's not what analogous means[/QUOTE] So the movie is not trying to present prey as people of color and predators as white people or the other way around? It just talks about races in general? That's exactly the point I was making through the entire thread...
can I just straight up say they EXPLICITLY chose not to make any species a perfect analogy for any specific race? They didn't want it to be humans: the animals, they just wanted the animals to be animals and fit relatable concepts into them based upon how those prejudices may come up in the dynamics of the real world. They wrote the entire story starting with "what would happen if the real animals had to live in new york together", and the whole fear and prejudice thing rose out of it quickly, IE assuming predators are violent because of their species' history and a few individuals' actions in recent events. [b]The only straight up analogy[/b] is that zootopia is New York and divided into distinct burrows of general ethnic overtones (in this case, animals that live in distinct climates, thus they had to create climate controlled areas. pretty smartly done actually) edit-[B] there is one other direct analogy:[/B] tommy chong plays tommy chong of all the things in it though I do have to say the "it's OK if a bunny says it" thing was very ham-fisted and likely a product of early writing and internal viewtesters finding it to be a cute joke ps calling a character a token X isn't anything about being black or not, token is just 'there for the sake of inclusion' (which often ends up with the odd-man-out black guy, especially through 90's television/movies). They made numerous points about how there was an inclusion program that allowed a bunny (something clearly not seen as police material for being so small and non-threatening) to get into the force (though it's also mentioned she graduated top of class, so she didn't just pass on the privilege of the program, simply entered) [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;51029197]So the movie is not trying to present prey as people of color and predators as white people or the other way around? It just talks about races in general? That's exactly the point I was making through the entire thread...[/QUOTE] wow whoa slow down there the very core of our situation here is that yes, there's a minority population with a shitton of fearmongering and prejudiced assumptions that they're more prone to violence/crime based on the actions of the few and the disparaged among them (plot spoiler: politically manufactured events via biological terrorism), though the prejudice often keeps them in those positions because 'why try to be something else when everyone only expects you to be a shifty low life'. The biology and history of the minorities are used as a misinformation weapon against them, which hey that's a MAJORLY racist asshole thing to do in the real world too! But the story isn't driven by who equals what real world minority or what exact situation something represents, but the concept of "hey this is how prejudice happens and you can end up being a bit of a dick without realizing it, even manipulated by others into thinking the wrong things"
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51028477]No, zootopia is actually really feminist [video=youtube;VrJ5keORfrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrJ5keORfrE[/video][/QUOTE] why does laci green still exist?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51028477]No, zootopia is actually really feminist [video=youtube;VrJ5keORfrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrJ5keORfrE[/video][/QUOTE] I just love how the video is supposedly about Zootopia being feminist and yet after like two sentences, it never refers to its supposed feminist message again. Man, this is a good video.
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