Totalbiscuit - The Framerate Police - General

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48245864]you know what, looking at the actual curator page they do have a v legit point it is displaying as the default curator on a bunch of games where FPS like doesn't even matter - [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/274230/]turn based platformer[/url] - [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/363970/]clicker heros[/url] - [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/296490/]tower defense[/url] - [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/363970/]another tower defense[/url] - [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/209790/]gene splicing[/url] and there are more like that and the page is basically brand new is it fair to those games to have the curator spot taken away buy a line of text that just says '30fps"? as a stand alone website or something I think this would be a good idea, but having it shit up and abuse what is meant to be a review system is not a good idea[/QUOTE] I don't know if you know how to use the steam store page but here's a helpful tip. There's a "view all" button right along the headline where you can see all curator reviews. Those reviews seem to be character capped so they may be subjective OR objective.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48248066]Tell me in straight forward terms Why is it bad, that I the customer, am aware of the objective elements of this game, as to how it runs, how it plays, the speed and refresh rates and etc? Explain to me why THAT'S bad, because that's the issue.[/QUOTE] cause you've gotta remember that steam is a store with the intention of selling things if you want true objectivity in this kind of thing it needs to be done on a third party website the information is already out there, if somebody cares about it they can look it up, if they don't then it isn't broadcast to them

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48248873]cause you've gotta remember that steam is a store with the intention of selling things if you want true objectivity in this kind of thing it needs to be done on a third party website the information is already out there, if somebody cares about it they can look it up, if they don't then it isn't broadcast to them[/QUOTE] But this goes for anything??? Why even have tags or steam reviews or curator lists in the first place since if somebody cares about something they can just look it up?? I don't care if a game has zombies in them or not so why do I keep seeing tags about zombies in games? There is literally no difference between a 30fps tag and a zombie tag except for the fact that the 30fps tag is banned.

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48248873]cause you've gotta remember that steam is a store with the intention of selling things if you want true objectivity in this kind of thing it needs to be done on a third party website the information is already out there, if somebody cares about it they can look it up, if they don't then it isn't broadcast to them[/QUOTE] No. You're just wrong. No. I don't need to elaborate much more than that. You are wrong. Store fronts should not lie to customers

[img]http://puu.sh/j5xpA.png[/img] Well, someone is angry about this :v:

Yes I noticed the same thing on my posts. Gave me a chuckle tbh.

Holy hell this thread went to absolute shit. Suggestion, make accusing someone of entitlement in an argument bannable. Relevant, i guess: [url]http://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/enough[/url]

TB's unwavering devotion to protecting and informing the consumer, holding the games industry accountable, refusing to back down under slander and harassment, and standing true to his code of ethics make him a personal hero and inspiration to me, and almost make me forgive him for making me buy Krater. [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] Woops, meant this for TB thread but whatevs

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] Just stop.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;48249416]TB's unwavering devotion to protecting and informing the consumer, holding the games industry accountable, refusing to back down under slander and harassment, and standing true to his code of ethics make him a personal hero and inspiration to me, and almost make me forgive him for making me buy Krater. [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] Woops, meant this for TB thread but whatevs[/QUOTE] God Krater was so disappointing.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] Just because you have an obsessive hate of the guy doesn't alter the reality that he's a serious and intelligent consumers advocate.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] *ten minutes later* "I swear guys I wasn't trying to stir anything up I was just contributing to the conversation geez fucking autists"

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249686]so if you wanna talk about general TB stuff and complain when anyone discusses this video go there, but if you wanna actually defend your points relating to the issue without shit talking then complaining when people shit talk back then we can try to be civilized here[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249686]but if you wanna actually defend your points relating to the issue without shit talking then complaining when people shit talk back then we can try to be civilized here[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249686]without shit talking[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249456]im not sure if this is a real post or really convincing satire[/QUOTE] You [B][I]literally [/I][/B]just shitposted [B][I]just then[/I][/B] for [B][I]no actual reason[/I][/B]. If you didn't want to bring in more shitposts, if you did an awful fucking job of it.

Shitposting aside, there's not much left to discuss. It's just an endless cycle of [i]Guy says "This is stupid" > "No it isn't here's why" > Shit flinging > Guy says "This is stupid" > "No it isn't here's why" *same points made as before* > Shit flinging > Guy says "This is stupid" > etc.[/i] [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249717]apparently you lot ignored the point i made about pretty much everyone hating on other youtubers for having ravenous fanbases that do this sort of thing for people like pewdiepie/etc but its fine with someone like TB has issues like this savior of pc gaming and all that[/QUOTE] It's a dumb point. Who is "Pretty much everyone"? Nobody in here. None of those youtubers are directly responsible for their fanbases, unless they tell them directly "GO DO THIS".

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249717]apparently you lot ignored the point i made about pretty much everyone hating on other youtubers for having ravenous fanbases that do this sort of thing for people like pewdiepie/etc but its fine with someone like TB has issues like this savior of pc gaming and all that[/QUOTE] That sure has nothing to do with how you've- you know- insulted other people and shitposted. Nope, we're just being the good ole TB defense brigade. I think I've only seen two posts by you in this thread where you didn't actively insult people that watch TB's stuff. Meanwhile, no one else gives a crap if you like his stuff or not as long as you express it reasonably instead of just saying stuff like "everyone that likes that fuck is a motuhbreathing autistic shit" [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249717]*continues drama while congratulating others for not continuing it* [/QUOTE] God forbid I'm glad people like you aren't shitting up [I]every [/I]thread they come across.

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48248873] if somebody cares about it they can look it up, if they don't then it isn't broadcast to them[/QUOTE] That's a good attitude because like you and others who don't care, the scary big fps police curator won't affect their purchases.

Okay that makes more sense, except [quote]if someone posted the pewdiepie version you'd all laugh and talk shit[/quote] No I fucking wouldn't. There are a lot of people who would, but assuming "a lot of people" = "everybody" is retarded.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249823]has a sizable portion of their fanbase [B]chimp out[/B] on a single target because they did something they disliked[/QUOTE] jfc

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249823] if someone posted the pewdiepie version you'd all laugh and talk shit, thats where im coming from here and im obviously using him as an example because its the biggest example to relate to on this forum if that doesnt explain it then i have no idea how to explain it otherwise because its obvious your opinion wont sway from one of your favourite youtubers, all the power to you just dont expect everyone else to turn a blind eye when someone fucks up and has a sizable portion of their fanbase chimp out on a single target because they did something they disliked[/QUOTE] Hey I asked a few days ago about where you're getting this idea that people on FP think Pewdiepie's fanbase is made of little kids and likes to laugh at rape jokes. Now you're saying the popular opinion here on FP is that we'd all talk shit about him if it was the Pewdiepie version. Is there a thread that you've read with a substantial amount of people flaming or are you just making shit up to back your narrative?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249852]thats the situation here, the vocal minority of TB's fans are the loud people, they are the people that act and cause the problems and saying "im not part of that" doesnt excuse the fact that it happens and actually causes issues[/QUOTE] And that just brings us back full circle to "What [i]problems[/i] are we actually causing?" Harming the games industry by wanting a certain piece of information on the game we'd like to buy? I've still yet to see a valid argument against that. [QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249876]if you really wanna say you think the majority of facepunchers like the dude and dont care about his fanbase you are either purposely ignoring the history of facepunch and the guy or you are just woefully ignorant to it[/QUOTE] Facepunch is not a hive mind. You should know that by now.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249889]or are you saying that its ok to attack someone for removing it on their page[/QUOTE] Literally no one- fucking no one- in this thread that's been defending this curator actually condones that. Where in the world are you getting the idea that we do?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249876]if you really wanna say you think the majority of facepunchers like the dude and dont care about his fanbase you are either purposely ignoring the history of facepunch and the guy or you are just woefully ignorant to it[/QUOTE] They don't have to necessarily like the guy. You've been arguing that TB's fanbase is causing problems in the industry. But Pewdiepie's fanbase hasn't done anything except terrorize youtube comments.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249911]because when people (me) brought it up you all shrugged it off and said "not all of us are like that [B]so nothing is wrong[/B]" (im paraphrasing obviously!)[/QUOTE] Please point out a situation in which someone said it was okay and people actually agreed with it. I'll give you a bit to find one. It's been acknowledged, we don't support it. You come in and say all TB fans are backing it, we say we're not. Not that it's okay. Not that it isn't an issue. That we don't condone it, and we don't like being blanketed as all being assholes that are okay with harassing developers.

I don't even know where you're coming from lua.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249889]did you seriously not even notice that people attacked that developer that disabled the groups curator review from showing on the page? or are you saying that its ok to attack someone for removing it on their page[/QUOTE] I did see that, it's retarded. I'm not defending that kind of shit at all. But here's where you keep fucking up: [i]You're blaming an entire fanbase (and apparently anybody who likes any of his content) for the actions of a few shitheads[/i]. It's dumb. [i]Every[/i] fanbase has those shitheads. Youtubers, TV shows, actors, comedians, Jesus, everyone who is a public figure. Are you saying everybody who has any influence over anyone should stop doing what they're doing just because there's a risk they might influence a few people to do something shitty?

I'm so confused now is it disneys fault that people made zootopia porn?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249954]y'all basically glossed over the entire point of the post where i said "well look it actually happened" and went immediately to "stop hating on TB for no reason he cant control his fans" despite the entire reason it happened was because he didnt fuckin set it clear that its objective at first he even admitted that there were majorly subjective things on the list at first, which is what caused the initial witchhunts just dont let the fact that you like the guys content blind you to when he fucks up every now and then he is responsible for his fanbase, as is everyone that has a platform to a large audience[/QUOTE] Holy shit are you done yet? First off, no one glossed over that point. It's just that NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHER PEOPLES ACTIONS BUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT COMMIT THOSE ACTIONS. Secondly, you have utterly failed at any semblance of reasoning as to why the customer and consumer having this information readily available to them is a detriment to the industry. Thirdly, he actually didn't admit that because he stripped the whole thing of opinion from the get go. It was, and has been, a purely objective list of "This game is 30 fps" that's it. That's all. You're lying if you say otherwise. But you'll surely say some sweet nothing about how I'm really wrong and TB did say that even though there's no evidence of that. Are pop stars responsible for their audiences? Are TV stars? Movie stars? Directors? You're making an utterly ridiculous double standard to justify your fucking raging hate boner for someone. How you keep deluding yourself into being the hero is really, way beyond reason.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249991]no? if there is a risk of your fanbase being retarded and attacking people then no matter how small that risk is or no matter how small that group is you actually fucking try to preemptively stop people from misconstruing your words and actions as support for attacking people going "shit they are attacking people better edit everything" doesnt stop the fact that people actually attacked someone [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] thats like saying the person who doused the car in gasoline isnt responsible since someone else lit the match[/QUOTE] So if you told me "I hate this guy" and I liked you a lot, you'd be responsible for my actions? Do you know how fucking idiotic your view of the law and responsibility is in an adult world? You're saying anyone, and everyone, is responsible for the actions of people based solely on the fact they MIGHT be inspired by you or what you say. You're childishly wrong. As in, you have the view of a child.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48249991]thats like saying the person who doused the car in gasoline isnt responsible since someone else lit the match[/QUOTE] No, this is like you blaming the gas company because someone burned your car with their gas. Ignoring the fact that that gas was intended for an entirely different purpose and the company obviously never told them to light your car on fire.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48249962]I did see that, it's retarded. I'm not defending that kind of shit at all. But here's where you keep fucking up: [i]You're blaming an entire fanbase (and apparently anybody who likes any of his content) for the actions of a few shitheads[/i]. It's dumb. [i]Every[/i] fanbase has those shitheads. Youtubers, TV shows, actors, comedians, Jesus, everyone who is a public figure. Are you saying everybody who has any influence over anyone should stop doing what they're doing just because there's a risk they might influence a few people to do something shitty?[/QUOTE] No, you don't understand. It's perfectly fine to generalize an entire community based on the actions of a few people within that community. In fact, in regards to internet communities, the "leader" of any one community should be completely wholly responsible for the actions of everybody within it. It makes complete sense!