Totalbiscuit - The Framerate Police - General

Fuck it. This is literally just you going "he's responsible", us going "he's not"... Then you going "NUH-UH!", and me being stupid enough to go "YUH-HUH!" I'm done. We're not going to make progress here. You keep thinking what you're thinking and I'll keep thinking you're really, [I]really [/I]wrong.

Holy shit what happened in here. 14 pages?

Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.

Two or three people in a terrible argument

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250216] like for example lets go back to the murder metaphor celebrity: i really hate these people because they did something minor but it REALLY FUCKIN PISSED ME OFF, here is where you can find them one of the dudes: hey man fuck off bunch of fans: aight we just stabbed the dude for you celebrity: shit why'd you do that bunch of fans: because you said you hated them and he was rude back? [/QUOTE] You are placing subjective emotions in TB's words where there aren't any. Listing 30fps locked games is not the same as saying you hate 30fps locked games. In your murder metaphor, the celebrity listed people with the intent to out them. Providing information in different contexts determines who is responsible. People who list names and addresses with the intent to inspire mail bombers are responsible. People who list names and addresses with the intent of providing information for let's say a future care provider are not responsible for who uses that information because it is not their intent, nor was it inciting action.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250298]its well known TBs opinion on 30fps, utter distaste and quite a lot of hate towards it [/QUOTE] None of which appears with the Framerate Police curator [QUOTE]The Framerate Police The Framerate Police recommends: "We catalogue games that are locked at 30fps so you can see them at a glance and mention if it is possible to unlock the framerate by other means."[/QUOTE] And all he does with the curator is say "This game 30 FPS." and if there is a way to uncap it, the method to uncap it. He doesn't use this to say a game is bad because of the FPS cap, simply that it's there.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250298]its well known TBs opinion on 30fps, utter distaste and quite a lot of hate towards it if you have previously stated you hate something/someone and then start talking about it again, those that remember will easily connect the dots[/QUOTE] That's why context is key. TB's 30fpspolice curator was made purely to inform customers. It's not his responsibility to tell people not to connect the dots the wrong way.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250337]see my post above, it wasnt just informing them at first it was a fair amount of personal opinion thrown into it[/QUOTE] It's an objective curator for listing 30fps games. Stop crying about it, and ignore it.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250337]see my post above, it wasnt just informing them at first it was a fair amount of personal opinion thrown into it[/QUOTE] You mean that one sentence in the curator desciption. The posts themselves still simply say "30 FPS lock"

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250337]see my post above, it wasnt just informing them at first it was a fair amount of personal opinion thrown into it[/QUOTE] Which reviews?

Obama is responsible for his voters he should personally be held responsible for what child molesters and rapists and serial killers do [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] Disney is personally responsible for all the porn made because of Zootopia garry is responsible for everyone who plays gmod

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250352]no, please read the reviews themselves were subjective before he figured out that it would be a bad idea and he changed it currently they are how they should be but the entire fuckin point of this argument is how people started a witch hunt because of how the group was presented at first if you even watched the video in the OP he says that he initially had subjective reviews in the 30fps curator reviews [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] they were edited after the damage was done[/QUOTE] Actually in the video he said he was thinking about adding subjective at 4:25. There weren't actually any subjective opinions. You should watch the video again.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250360]i thought we were over shit comparisons[/QUOTE] not as shitty as yours at least I can't take anyone seriously when they actually believe people are responsible for the actions of their shitty fanbase you can't just moderate them like you can here on facepunch. You can tell them to calm down but that isn't going to stop anything. it's basically insane to think people can control that.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250386]il admit being wrong about that then thats a good chunk of my argument gone the fuck am i thinking of about reviews having subjective shit on it then, and why are there a shitload of people reporting on them initially having subjective reviews?[/QUOTE] That's what i'm trying to figure out. Is your understanding of the initial reviews based on actual information or misinformation? I can't find anything about them being subjective or edited, and I don't even know if curators can edit their reviews.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250082]his fanbase has done this before, its not innocent at this point even if he just doesnt realize what parts of his fanbase does this shit[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is, since certain people in his fanbase attack people because of what he says, he should just stop? I really don't understand what you're getting at. Just because SOME people decide to do bad things when he expresses his opinion means that he shouldn't express his opinion at all? Whenever people get a large fanbase, there will always be those who take things too far, but you can't fault the content creator for that, short of quitting there's nothing they can do. It sounds to me like you have a personal vendetta for TB, since you're pretty much flat out saying if he doesn't quit doing what he's doing he's some evil monster that promotes hate speech and personal attacks by sicking his fans after people.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250414] if your fanbase has a history of having a vocal minority going nuts and attacking people at the first site of your disaproval of it, you need to be careful in future, doesnt mean you stop, it means you should be careful[/QUOTE] But he was careful. He stated that the curator's purpose was to purely inform buyers if the game is FPS locked and if there's a method to unlock it. The intent and actions of the curator do not incite people to harass developers. It was the harasser's own action based on information they received. It's no different from the U.S. census releasing data on races and their average income and racists using that data to justify ethnocentrism.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250414]not what im getting at, at all if your fanbase has a history of having a vocal minority going nuts and attacking people at the first site of your disaproval of it, you need to be careful in future, doesnt mean you stop, it means you should be careful [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] bit of misinformation that probably is what got this out of hand, woulda been sorted out earlier if it didnt immediately turn into a fanbase flamewar with dogpiling[/QUOTE] How exactly can he be careful though? How could he have put this out there without having his fans react the way they did? It still boils down to him not doing it at all, which is wrong. You can't shelter your rabid fanbase while still getting your content out there the way you want it. It's pandering to children.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250480]i see where you are coming from but i seriously dont think it was enough, as is evident by people using the group directly to organize the witch hunt especially when hes been attacked by people who idly mention him previously and knows exactly what happens[/QUOTE] So you should not put out information in fear that some may use it negatively?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250507]thats a common practice on the internet tho? unless you mean purely public information, then it comes down to wording[/QUOTE] This is more of a journalistic thing, and this is completely fine within journalistic ethics. This is an informative list that is genuinely useful for some, even though it is something people will argue about. Why remove it? Would it make the world better if we always witheld information in fear of people like you?

if I had a massive fanbase, I wouldn't be careful with my wording, I would be straight and to the point I shouldn't act different than how I wish to just because some psychopath gets the point mixed up.] I'm just going to tell people that they're being immature about it, and going about it all wrong. That's it. attacking devs is insane. TB didn't intend for anything like that to happen, nor should he change because of it. At worst he should scold the idea.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250480]i see where you are coming from but i seriously dont think it was enough, as is evident by [B]people using the group directly to organize the witch hunt[/B] especially when hes been attacked by people who idly mention him previously and knows exactly what happens[/QUOTE] So these are the people responsible. For example, the U.S. Government has a track record of disenfranchising blacks since the birth of the nation. It wasn't until about 100 years or so after when blacks actually got suffrage and civil rights. If the U.S. census now included blacks and the KKK used the released census data to justify ethnocentrism. Are the KKK responsible for committing crimes? Or is it the U.S. Census because they were part of a government that destroyed black lives?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250566]"i should never act differently no matter my situation or position of power" never go into politics[/QUOTE] TB didn't personally tell people to go out and attack devs you know. and being some internet famous dude that talks about video games isn't a position of anything. It's a position of stating an opinion to people.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250543]im not the one abusing the information though? nor have i ever said remove it i've said its a curator list i shouldnt give a shit about, but that was before the whole attacking a developer thing happened[/QUOTE] Then what is this whole argument about Whatever, good night.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250566]"i should never act differently no matter my situation or position of power" never go into politics [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] now we are going back to the argument relating it to things far out of reach and context if you want to get into a whole debate about who caused racism in the usa, what the official cause of hate crimes were and a bunch of shit relating to that we can, but it wont go anywhere because even if we agree on points in that all it does is prove something between us relating to that specific issue, at that point its not going to be relating it to this at all[/QUOTE] Ok then let me ask more clearly. Is the responsibility of dev harassment the people who abuse the list, or totalbiscuit for making a list for an entirely different purpose?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250586]i dunno there are people in this thread that have literally said he is their personal hero its the same argument with role models and how they should act if a sports star and his mates run a train on a girl usually it hits the news and he gets in a shitload of trouble because he is a "role model"[/QUOTE] Do you even have a point or are you just wiggling a hate boner you have for TB around? There's a difference between murdering someone with a train and making a list of things. How the fuck could you even make that an example. Pretty much all you've done is shitpost so far, and that example just kind of proves you're not really here to make a [U]point[/U]. TB isn't personally telling people to attack devs but of course you seem to act like he is.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250620] running a train means taking turns to have sex with someone[/QUOTE] I still don't see how that really applies at all, that's still a pretty terrible example. This isn't even close to doing that. What. And even then, why should the role model be held accountable for the actions OTHERS have committed? they're the little shitheads that did it [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] I guess I should use your logic If Marilyn Manson made a song, and this song inspired some kids to shoot up a school, Marilyn isn't at any fault for shooting up the school, the little shitheads who did it were unless Manson literally sung about shooting up schools blaming him is assinine. This is the same thing parents do with video games, they blame video games because [U]THEY[/U] can't control their kids. People who "Follow rolemodels" didn't do it because of the role model, it's because they have no self control to begin with if you can't control yourself and use someone else as a scapegoat for your actions, you're 100% the fault, not them. It's 100% on you. You're in control of your actions. Justin McGuy banging that drunk chick didn't make you do [THING], you did. You knew it was bad, you did it anyways. Your entire argument is just petty and inane. It implies people aren't in control of their own actions. If anything, the parents are to blame for the devs being harassed. The only role models people should point fingers at are the ones who can physically prevent it.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250620]as i have stated before and i will again, but il break it down for you A = TotalBiscuit B = Ravenous Fans C = Developer If A does something and through lack of foresight and inaction influences B to personally attack C because of what A did, inside something that A created that specifically marks C. Is A completely free from criticism and scold?[/QUOTE] So you've just been arguing hindsight? No one can predict the future. TB just did what he thought was right in expanding consumer rights against a broken system that encourages scamming people.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250678]"when i do this thing people do this in return, i wonder if they will do it again" guess what they did[/QUOTE] What lists did TB previously make?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48250678] [url]http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/after-matty-johns-scandal-woman-says-shes-had-sex-with-200-footballers/story-e6freuy9-1225715495760[/url] bigass scandal happened years ago, turned out the chick didnt really give a shit but the dudes still got reprimanded because they were role-models you argued that they arent really role models someone stated he is their personal hero, ie a role model role models do dumb shit, even if it isnt with ill intention they still get reprimanded now if you will excuse me i have to go to the store to buy some soap[/QUOTE] if you can't see that there's a difference between fucking 200 dudes and this then I think you may be a bit far gone. Fucking 200 dudes still doesn't mean you caused other people to do the same, they're still personally in control of their actions. But ok I guess. [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] i thought we were over shit comparisons

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;48250404]That's what i'm trying to figure out. Is your understanding of the initial reviews based on actual information or misinformation? I can't find anything about them being subjective or edited, and I don't even know if curators can edit their reviews.[/QUOTE] It's pretty clear he never watched any of the videos, or anything TB has said about this. [editline]19th July 2015[/editline] TB gets regular death threats. Do you hold ANYONE accountable for that? Or is that too his fault?