[QUOTE=zerosix;48215329]but the idea of someone going to the extent of setting up a steam page to "report" 30 fps games simply because you are slightly irritated by it is literally one of the stupidest and most counter productive things i've ever heard
imagine spending actual hours of your life doing that shit instead of just dealing with it and enjoying a 30 fps game despite the slight annoyance of it not looking ~enitrely~ smooth[/QUOTE]
No one's spending hours is their life on that lmao
Video games need to be responsive, the whole fucking point it to control the game character. You want it to feel as smooth as possible and 30 fps caps ruin this. People don't buy high end pc's so that their games feel like shit
Locking at 30fps is bad programming, no one likes a poorly made game
I think the point of the curator is to expose games that are locked at 30fps regardless of what the devs intended or said or did.
You literally cannot argue against 60fps, and soon enough, you can't argue against 144fps and so on and so forth. Technology moves forward and it shouldn't have to wait for anyone or anything.
[QUOTE=Mikk;48215157]Am I the only person who doesn't find games unplayable at 30 frames a fucking second?[/QUOTE]
he said in the video that if 30 FPS doesn't matter to you then you can obviously just ignore this, he just wants it to show whether or not a game is 30 FPS on the store pages of games for people that DO care.
i mean regardless of your opinion on TB or whether or not you care about 60 FPS, how could you possibly be opposed to this idea?
[QUOTE=J!NX;48215326]Games are only locked at 30 because the devs were lazy and tied programming to frame rate. Literally the only reason is out of laziness, except in the case of stick of truth
60 fps feels really nice compared to 30, and 120 is just amazing[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it laziness but rather optimization for consoles.
[QUOTE=Mikk;48215157]Am I the only person who doesn't find games unplayable at 30 frames a fucking second?[/QUOTE]
When you dont have the option of turning down the graphics any lower and getting some more perfomance out of your machine, 30 is playable, but if you have the option of running games at 60, you should use it.
Alice: Madness Returns was frame-locked? How in the fuck did I not notice that
It's not a massive problem if a game is locked to 30fps, but his "don't tie the game logic to framerate" argument is sound. It really isn't that difficult to have game logic update at a fixed timestep and have the rendering at a variable timestep. It's a few extra lines of code in your main game loop, usually.
[QUOTE=Mikk;48215157]Am I the only person who doesn't find games unplayable at 30 frames a fucking second?[/QUOTE]
This was a reason I decided to buy Ass Creed IV twice.
First was on PC, my computer is shit and I don't have money, but I tried to play it anyway, it was a low fps nightmare.
Sometime later I was in a pirate mood, but sadly remembered that I couldn't play Ass Creed on my PC.
However I do own an Xbox 360, so I got it for there, and happily enjoyed the 30 frames.
Then again I'm ok with 30, because 30 fps is being able to play the fucking game and enjoy it :v:
The whole 60 fps thing I really just put with "PC Eliteism". I don't see the point, sure 60 is nice and smooth, but I don't care for getting the most out of a expensive powerhouse, I just want to enjoy the bloody games :v:.
The fact he finds 30FPS "completely unplayable" renders his opinion completely irrelevant, IMO. Not everyone literally lives off playing games and can afford a dual titan x on SLI setup. A [I]solid[/I] 30fps framerate is a happy minimum, it's playable and enjoyable, anything above it is better, but not necessary. This curator stuff is just that shitty opinion made into something mildly useful and thankfully objective.
He's complaining not every car is a Lamborghini, because that's the only thing he drives.
You're [I]supposed[/I] to be capable of seeing the frame difference between 30/60 (ignoring the factual input lag sub 60 frames has that increases the visual cue). If you honestly, truly cannot see the difference then your eyesight is simply subpar compared to someone that can.
You either haven't had enough consistent exposure to post 30 frames to retrain your eyes to notice it, or you have poorer vision than people that can. It is one or the other -- pick.
I usually don't care about the framerate and I mostly like TB, but for some reason this video seems like it's trying to force me to hate 30fps.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;48215469]The fact he finds 30FPS "completely unplayable" renders his opinion completely irrelevant, IMO. Not everyone literally lives off playing games and can afford a dual titan x on SLI setup. A [I]solid[/I] 30fps framerate is a happy minimum, it's playable and enjoyable, anything above it is better, but not necessary. This curator stuff is just that shitty opinion made into something mildly useful and thankfully objective.
He's complaining not every car is a Lamborghini, because that's the only thing he drives.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he's only talking about the game developers that purposely lock their games to 30fps, not the people who actually can't run the game any higher than 30fps.
[QUOTE=Axznma;48215472]You're [I]supposed[/I] to be capable of seeing the frame difference between 30/60 (ignoring the factual input lag sub 60 frames has that increases the visual cue). If you honestly, truly cannot see the difference then your eyesight is simply subpar compared to someone that can.
You either haven't had enough consistent exposure to post 30 frames to retrain your eyes to notice it, or you have poorer vision than people that can. It is one or the other -- pick.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying they don't notice it, just that they're not bothered by the difference.
Oh no Totalbiscuit made a useful curator list, better take this opportunity to shit on him some more.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215498]Another reason to not care about curators
30fps locks can be shitty, especially when it's a western company that does simultaneous release.
Do I think you need to go out of your way to inform people of a fps lock? Maybe, depends really, I expect that his fanbase will push it to the top when in reality its a super small subset of people that actually get angry about fps locks.[/QUOTE]Most people who play on PC get at least upset over a fps lock. Good job undermining opinions as if they're nothing.
[editline]15th July 2015[/editline]
Why the fuck is there so much hate for something useful? Like damn people.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215498]Another reason to not care about curators
30fps locks can be shitty, especially when it's a western company that does simultaneous release.
Do I think you need to go out of your way to inform people of a fps lock? Maybe, depends really, I expect that his fanbase will push it to the top when in reality its a super small subset of people that actually get angry about fps locks.[/QUOTE]
Well fuck those people that care about framerate locks, I mean why should there be a curator for their interests?
I mean if they're not the majority they might as well not exist.
[QUOTE=Skyward;48215548]Well fuck those people that care about framerate locks, I mean why should there be a curator for their interests?[/QUOTE]
I hate people that try making games better for consumers
I'm sitting here on a GT730 and i3 processor, can't get over 27FPS on most games on high settings, and watching you big GTX990 TITAN-i7-220FPS-max-settings boys shout at eachother.
I just like 60 FPS and above because everything looking smoother just looks better IMO.
If a game is forced to 30 FPS, I don't mind, just means that it won't look as smooth.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215557]"Undermining opinions as if they are nothing" well if that's the case arent you undermining the opinion of people who don't particularly care?[/QUOTE]
You seem to not realize that if you don't care, then you don't need to pay attention to this curator. This in no way undermines your opinion whatsoever.
Like, how is this existing a bad thing for people who care? And how is this existing a bad thing for people who don't?
[QUOTE=Axznma;48215472]You're [I]supposed[/I] to be capable of seeing the frame difference between 30/60 (ignoring the factual input lag sub 60 frames has that increases the visual cue). If you honestly, truly cannot see the difference then your eyesight is simply subpar compared to someone that can.
You either haven't had enough consistent exposure to post 30 frames to retrain your eyes to notice it, or you have poorer vision than people that can. It is one or the other -- pick.[/QUOTE]
The only people on with 30 fps are console players and people with Dell laptops
[editline]15th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;48215571]I'm sitting here on a GT730 and i3 processor, can't get over 27FPS on most games on high settings, and watching you big GTX990 TITAN-i7-220FPS-max-settings boys shout at eachother.[/QUOTE]
People don't spend money on a good pc to play it like it's a low end computer
You guys don't have IQs of 155, you wouldn't understand.
I think also that it doesn't matter as much with certain genres of games not being 60 FPS.
The one main genre that I can't enjoy as much at 30 FPS would have to be first person shooters. There are lots of them are really intense twitch shooters, and if you are at 30 FPS you might not be able to react as fast as someone with 60 FPS or above.
I personally just think people make framerate a way bigger problem/deal than it is, even if it is obsolete.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215563]Sorry should have said "another reason for me not to care" but you can get on your high horse all you want tho[/QUOTE]
You don't care but every time there's a 30 fps debate you sure love to remind people how little you care
If you don't care then don't bother, you clicked this thread just to say no one should care. Obviously you do.
[editline]15th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215664]Because like TB Does constantly he pushes shit into his soapbox and talks constant shit to people with slightly differing opinions as if he is the final word in what makes pc games good.
again don't get me wrong 60FPS is great and if its available its generally the better options (not including darksouls 1 as even with dsfix 60fps made the game run weird and longtime players preferred 30)
Then his fans go on crusades against those with differing opinions and apout esoteric bullshit where its not needed.
But I guess wel see if this is another time his fanbase does dumb shit[/QUOTE]
Stop telling people why they should not care, TB isn't the representative of gaming and only and ass would act like he is
People don't hate frame locks because TB said so, they hate it because it's stupid
[QUOTE=Octopod;48215443]Alice: Madness Returns was frame-locked? How in the fuck did I not notice that[/QUOTE]
when i first played it i thought it was running like shit, then in the document settings i saw it was locked at 30. Changed it to 60 and it ran like butter on a salty toast in the holidays morning after christmas eve.
[QUOTE=Talvy;48215665]I personally just think people make framerate a way bigger problem/deal than it is, even if it is obsolete.[/QUOTE]
I think that's his point behind this. Literally the only way to alert a potential buyer that a game has an FPS lock is to gimmick the curator system because it's not allowed to be simple.
I dont have an opinion on the 30fps thing but the fact that you cant just use the tags, or have it listed on the steam page is a little asinine to me.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;48215664]
But I guess wel see if this is another time his fanbase does dumb shit[/QUOTE]
Wow, out of a couple 100,000 followers some are complete assholes? How surprising.
Why are people outraged about this? If you don't care just don't follow the curation. I'm not following it because I don't care. Its for people who are about 60 or 30 fps.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;48215469]The fact he finds 30FPS "completely unplayable" renders his opinion completely irrelevant, IMO. Not everyone literally lives off playing games and can afford a dual titan x on SLI setup. A [I]solid[/I] 30fps framerate is a happy minimum, it's playable and enjoyable, anything above it is better, but not necessary. This curator stuff is just that shitty opinion made into something mildly useful and thankfully objective.
He's complaining not every car is a Lamborghini, because that's the only thing he drives.[/QUOTE]
TB needs to check his frame rate privilege.
Even though my rig can only handle 28-30 fps for modern games (Which is a good day for me), I would still like games to be developed at the 60 fps area because one day I do eventually plan on getting a good rig and would enjoy that frame-rate very much.
Just because ~30~ fps isn't [I]unplayable[/I] for me doesn't mean that games should be locked in that area.
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;48215745]when i first played it i thought it was running like shit, then in the document settings i saw it was locked at 30. Changed it to 60 and it ran like butter on a salty toast in the holidays morning after christmas eve.[/QUOTE]
So d'you just need a tool for opening up .ini files or can you simply open them through Notepad?
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