[QUOTE=Eric95;48225780]if people complain about boring shit like FOV sliders or framerates [B]i'll just go "lol nerd"[/B] because people who notice that kind of stuff probably aren't that cool in real life anyway. [B]They probably go to comic con, use a modded android phone and wear socks and sandals.[/B] [/QUOTE]
Stuff like FOV and framerates do matter. A bad FOV can give a person a bad headache and make the game unplayable.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48219966]Because it hurts developers
Also if you play video games so much that it bothers you if a game is at 30fps instead of 60fps then [B]you probably need to find some new hobbies[/B][/QUOTE]
Why are people so hostile towards people that like [B]videogames[/B] on a [B]gaming forum?[/B]
and its always social justice minded people.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226150]I'm just talking about framerates and preferences and shit here, I don't know why you guys have to resort to personal attacks[/QUOTE]
We're the ones talking about framerates and preferences, you're the one calling us all lame nerds who wear socks and sandals :v:
I agree that personal attacks towards you are low, but you sort of did start it.
You're free to discuss your preferences, but you should realize that you come off as very offensive when you generalize everyone you're arguing with.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226150]
I'm just talking about framerates and preferences and shit here, I don't know why you guys have to resort to personal attacks[/QUOTE]
I'm going out on a limb here, but the people who you said 'lol nerd' to? I think we are those guys. You know, the ones who actually play games more than 'once in a while'? So yeah, what you just said might've been [I]a tad[/I] insulting, don't you think?
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226150]I don't know why you guys have to resort to personal attacks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eric95;48225780] if people complain about boring shit like FOV sliders or framerates i'll just go "lol nerd" because people who notice that kind of stuff probably aren't that cool in real life anyway. They probably go to comic con, use a modded android phone and wear socks and sandals. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Eric95;48226150]Wishing that somebody fails in their career just because they don't have the same priorities as you is pretty evil dude. If I succeed in games then that'll mean I'm right, and if I don't succeed that means I'm wrong. But you shouldn't hope that I fail just because I like to prioritize aesthetics over performance, that's just messed up[/QUOTE]
I'm hoping you fail because your attitude is complete shit. We don't need people like you making games. People who actively shit on your potential audience. People who deny legitimate concerns and problems with games because you prefer to not deal with them. Who toss out insult after insult at people because they focus on different issues in games than you do and then turn around and bitch when- unsurprisingly- people turn it back on you.
Is that twisted? Sure it might be. But I genuinely feel that as long as you keep acting like this, you're going to amount to nothing more than a detriment to game development if anything at all.
At this point he's just trolling, the first paragraph of that post is a huge indicator of that, or he's just that stupid. Either way, it'd be best to just report him from here on and move back to actual discussion.
Imo i think a simple way of seeing if a game is 30 capped is a good idea, it's not harming anyone in any way more than what a tag would. In fact the games reviews harm it more than either tags or a FPS tracking curator possibly could.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226150]
I'm just talking about framerates and preferences and shit here, I don't know why you guys have to resort to personal attacks[/QUOTE]
If by "just talking about frame rates," you mean "setting head-ass distance records. "
Why did people resort to personal attacks? Because you, Eric, straight up told them they're not allowed to feel that way, they should be ashamed of themselves for having preferred settings.
It's because you personally attacked them.
[QUOTE=Skyward;48226186]I'm hoping you fail because your attitude is complete shit. We don't need people like you making games. People who actively shit on your potential audience. People who deny legitimate concerns and problems with games because you prefer to not deal with them. Who toss out insult after insult at people because they focus on different issues in games than you do and then turn around and bitch when- unsurprisingly- people turn it back on you.
Is that twisted? Sure it might be. But I genuinely feel that as long as you keep acting like this, you're going to amount to nothing more than a detriment to game development if anything at all.[/QUOTE]
In other words, that kind of attitude can quite quickly get a Jimquisition episode dedicated to someone :v:
[QUOTE=Skyward;48226186]I'm hoping you fail because your attitude is complete shit. We don't need people like you making games. People who actively shit on your potential audience. People who deny legitimate concerns and problems with games because you prefer to not deal with them. Who toss out insult after insult at people because they focus on different issues in games than you do and then turn around and bitch when- unsurprisingly- people turn it back on you.
Is that twisted? Sure it might be. But I genuinely feel that as long as you keep acting like this, you're going to amount to nothing more than a detriment to game development.[/QUOTE]
Wow
Me insulting part of my potential audience has nothing to do with the quality of my output. And what if my games are really good, do you really want to miss out on the best game of the century just because I locked it at 29fps just to piss people off?
I never insulted any of you guys personally, I just mentioned some possible attributes of the kind of person who cares about framerate. Whether you guys align with those is completely irrelevant. You guys are talking about and attacking me, and only me. Personally, I think the focus on stuff like frame rate and such is the kind of thing that really needs to die in the games industry. I think it forces developers to focus on shit that doesn't matter, and compromise the quality of their games because of it. All PAL games before HDTV are in 25fps, and all NTSC games are in 30fps, nobody ever whines about how they can't play Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 on their PS2 because it isn't smooth enough
I really didn't mean to derail the thread, I just wanted to share my opinion on this stuff and why I think it's bad.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226285]Wow
Me insulting part of my potential audience has nothing to do with the quality of my output. And what if my games are really good, do you really want to miss out on the best game of the century just because I locked it at 29fps just to piss people off?.[/QUOTE]
Fucking yes.
If the game of the generation ran at 29fps because the developers just didn't manage it for a legit reason? Fine. I won't like it, but I could probably overlook it.
If the game of the generation ran at 29fps because the developer is a spiteful asshole who did it to piss people off? Then fuck right off, I'm not supporting you or your shitty practices.
So you think gaming should visually speaking in terms of capability of smoothness just STOP progressing?
You're insulting people who care about these things. You're telling them caring about these things is moronic. Yes, because if I am physically caused some pain by sub 60 fps I'm killing gaming. I mean never mind that 60 fps for interactive mediums are instantly recognizable as more responsive and more fluid.
But yeah, fuck me for caring!
Don't expect to sell well when you infantilized your potential audience, I will actually avoid your games if your attitude is that I'm not entitled to my opinion.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226285]Wow
Me insulting part of my potential audience has nothing to do with the quality of my output. And what if my games are really good, do you really want to miss out on the best game of the century just because I locked it at 29fps just to piss people off?
I never insulted any of you guys personally, I just mentioned some possible attributes of the kind of person who cares about framerate. Whether you guys align with those is completely irrelevant. You guys are talking about and attacking me, and only me. Personally, I think the focus on stuff like frame rate and such is the kind of thing that really needs to die in the games industry. I think it forces developers to focus on shit that doesn't matter,[B] and compromise the quality of their games because of it[/B]. All PAL games before HDTV are in 25fps, and all NTSC games are in 30fps, nobody ever whines about how they can't play Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 on their PS2 because it isn't smooth enough
I really didn't mean to derail the thread, I just wanted to share my opinion on this stuff and why I think it's bad.[/QUOTE]
but the whole point is that people feel it effects the quality of games so what is the point of saying that.
and the ps2 was released in 2000. that was more than a decade ago. We aren't playing games on really old 50 pound glass TV's and ps2's anymore, you know that right?
But I guess we should stop pushing for things that don't matter (says the non gamer artist). We should lock all games at 30fps and 1080p because those things don't matter to anyone. How could they? 30 fps existed [insertyears]ago and was fine then!!! therefore its fine now to do that!
its not like anyone has ever paid for a 75hz or 144hz monitor, or a 4k monitor, ever. They don't need to experience this stuff, they should just play the game like everyone else because it harms the [B]quality[/B]
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226306]Jim Sterling is pretty much the ultimate representation of the part of the gaming world that I don't want to support. He probably wears socks and sandals too, he doesn't matter
[B]Basically my defense in that case would be to just work on my looks so much that I'm too handsome and cool to dislike. And be lovably sarcastic on twitter and in interviews[/B][/QUOTE]
While I'm sure that Phil Fish thought the exact same thing, that's just not how PR and you know... Publicly responding to criticism works.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226334]Anyway I'll stop posting in this thread now, sorry I derailed it. [B]I just figured it'd be interesting to discuss it from a different perspective.[/B][/QUOTE]
You have to be some kind of olympic athlete to pull off the mental gymnastics needed to convince yourself that this was all you were doing.
Color me impressed.
Telling people that having a preference of how your entertainment runs and works means they need a new hobby is NOT trying to have a discussion from a different perspective
Personally, my only problem with this is that I feel there could be more- you can write a couple paragraphs in a steam curator quote, so just having "Capped at 30 fps" is a little...small. I've seen one curator based purely on the options menu, and I feel that could work here as well- say how fast it runs, how much you can change it so it can run, and all that good stuff. Make it so Totalbiscuit doesn't have to do Port Reports, I'd say! (not that they're bad, but that it could be avoided)
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;48226374]Personally, my only problem with this is that I feel there could be more- you can write a couple paragraphs in a steam curator quote, so just having "Capped at 30 fps" is a little...small. I've seen one curator based purely on the options menu, and I feel that could work here as well- say how fast it runs, how much you can change it so it can run, and all that good stuff. Make it so Totalbiscuit doesn't have to do Port Reports, I'd say! (not that they're bad, but that it could be avoided)[/QUOTE]
He kinda adressed that in an audio blog he did. He said the point is that it's completely objective and only states if it's capped at 30 or not and if it can potentially be uncapped. Not whether or not it's a game that is made worse by it.
It's pretty much just a tag, not anything more.
[QUOTE=Skyward;48226383]The point is that it's completely objective and only states if it's capped at 30 or not and if it can potentially be uncapped. Not whether or not it's a game that is made worse by it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it should be subjective, I'm saying that adding "Can support up to 1366x768 resolution", "Supports mouse acceleration", "FOV is not numerical", or other such things would also be helpful. I suppose using Port Reports as a comparison is a little weird- he has a lot more in those videos than just the options menu. Still, adding a list of things the game does wouldn't be out of place.
Hah, wow. How to crash a career in game development before it has a chance to take off, brought to you by Eric95.
Piss on anyone who has a problem with your work, ignore criticisms, act like you're beyond reproach, look at everything with the mindset of the cast of Jersey Shore.
You know what else would be great?
not selling a game under the claim of x FOV, X by X resolution, X FPS max, and then the game doesn't come close
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226285]All PAL games before HDTV are in 25fps, and all NTSC games are in 30fps[/QUOTE]
You're not only narcissistic, you're also plain wrong.
PAL games could also be 50fps, and NTSC games could be 60.
Shit tons of games were 60fps back in the day. What makes you think they weren't?
A bunch of NES and SNES games ran in 60fps, for instance.
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[QUOTE=Eric95;48226306]Jim Sterling is pretty much the ultimate representation of the part of the gaming world that I don't want to support. He probably wears socks and sandals too, he doesn't matter
Basically my defense in that case would be to just work on my looks so much that I'm too handsome and cool to dislike. And be lovably sarcastic on twitter and in interviews[/QUOTE]
It's fucking incredible how you somehow think your looks has anything to do with this.
What on earth is going on in your head?
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226334]He just wasn't lovable or handsome enough
And my point was that developers don't necessarily want or have to pander to the audience that cares about that[/QUOTE]
They do if they want to make MONEY
if people started to protest about mario having a red hat in mass and stopped buying nintendo games, nintendo either loses some profit or changes the hat
you have to cater to customers enough that they don't ruin you. [B]They're the ones making you money.[/B] [U]without money you stop existing as a business.[/U]
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;48226401]I'm not saying it should be subjective, I'm saying that adding "Can support up to 1366x768 resolution", "Supports mouse acceleration", "FOV is not numerical", or other such things would also be helpful. I suppose using Port Reports as a comparison is a little weird- he has a lot more in those videos than just the options menu. Still, adding a list of things the game does wouldn't be out of place.[/QUOTE]
Oh nah, I agree with you that would be pretty great to see, just giving [I]his [/I]reasons I guess.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226306]Jim Sterling is pretty much the ultimate representation of the part of the gaming world that I don't want to support. He probably wears socks and sandals too, he doesn't matter
Basically my defense in that case would be to just work on my looks so much that I'm too handsome and cool to dislike. And be lovably sarcastic on twitter and in interviews[/QUOTE]
Well if it's any consolation, nobody will care about something made by someone so shallow and self-absorbed at any frame rate.
[QUOTE=Adolf Hitler;48226150] If I succeed in [B]killing the majority of Jews in Europe[/B] then that'll mean I'm right, and if I don't succeed that means I'm wrong. [/QUOTE]
:vs:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48226021]Your logic:
'30FPS makes me nauseous.'
Here is an example of how you can tell so much about a person from just a single sentence. This person is quite obviously a lame nerd who goes to comic con, uses a modded android phone and wears socks and sandals.
(seriously what was the point of that paragraph dude, it just sounds like you're trolling cause you literally wrote nothing relevant there)
Your logic:
TotalBiscuit says that he can't deal with low FOV nor games locked at 30fps, despite how good they are not only because of the visual difference but also because it directly affects input response, performance and gameplay and makes him nauseous. This means that according to him fov sliders and framerates are the most important part of a game, not just a requirement by preference.
And at last:
'This game is locked at 30fps'
The person here is obviously telling you to not buy a game, and because you are an unintelligent person who can't decide for yourself you will indeed not buy the game.[/QUOTE]
Whatever you say Phil Fish.
I literally cannot aim well in FPS below 60, and if you ask any fighting game player to play a fighting game that runs below 60 you're gonna get laughed out the room(Which even happened somewhat recently with the new jojo fighting game)
And don't even get me started on fov sliders, I get physically sick at shit that's like 60 fov, with my preferred being 120, do you also go "lolnerd" when seeing someone get seasick, have an asthmatic attack, or a diabetic shock?
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226306]Jim Sterling is pretty much the ultimate representation of the part of the gaming world that I don't want to support. He probably wears socks and sandals too, [B]he doesn't matter[/B]
Basically my defense in that case would be to just work on my looks so much that I'm too handsome and cool to dislike. And be lovably sarcastic on twitter and in interviews[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, he's more important to gaming than you are, that's for sure :)
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