Kevin Rudd beats the shit out of a Pastor on Q&A: If you think homosexuality is an unnatural conditi

[C O Y O T E]

I don't know much about Australian politics but this Kevin Rudd guy seems like a pretty cool politician.

[gerbe1]

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42061584]I don't know much about Australian politics but this Kevin Rudd guy seems like a pretty cool politician.[/QUOTE]

He is a megalomaniac who has way too high an opinion of himself, is far too aware that he's a smart guy, was ousted by his own party for being a micromanaging nightmare, spent three years sabotaging his own party for doing so until they came crawling back and begged him to take over again.

And I really, really, [I][B]really[/B][/I] wish he would win this election.

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

(that says more about the alternative than him)

[Bradyns]

[QUOTE=gerbe1;42061597]He is a megalomaniac who has way too high an opinion of himself, is far too aware that he's a smart guy, [B]was ousted by his own party for being a micromanaging nightmare[/B], spent three years sabotaging his own party for doing so until they came crawling back and begged him to take over again.

And I really, really, [I][B]really[/B][/I] wish he would win this election.

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

(that says more about the alternative than him)[/QUOTE]

This is the best description I've seen in a long time!
Not many people truly understand why he was booted, but I'm glad that you do.

Kudos, sir.

[SuddenImpact]

I don´t get why christians who don´t follow the bible aren´t just abandon that religion and create a new that abolishes the amoral content of the book. Do you really want to be put into the same category as someone who opposes your views? I find it kinda pointless to just pick what you like from the book that your whole religion is based on.

[shian]

[QUOTE=Liem;42058696][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7VMLz8B.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/0e2XBl3.png[/img]

[gerbe1]

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;42062168]I don´t get why christians who don´t follow the bible aren´t just abandon that religion and create a new that abolishes the amoral content of the book. Do you really want to be put into the same category as someone who opposes your views? I find it kinda pointless to just pick what you like from the book that your whole religion is based on.[/QUOTE]

Someone probably has somewhere. I think Lincoln or someone edited out all the miracles because he was liek "That never really happened!" and everyone got upset. Or maybe that is a myth.

Anywho, the point is, prophets don't - can't - exist anymore. If someone tried to do that it would just be like starting up a cult. You wouldn't get a mass influx of followers out of nowhere.

[darcy010]

Thought I'd never hear this from an Australian politician. Please let Rudd win. He may not be that great, but his stance of marriage equality and the NBN is enough to put him miles ahead of the racist, sexist homophobe that is Tony Abbott.

[The Stills]

For all his self-righteousness and wankery, I do honestly like Rudd, he's at the very least a likeable arsehole, compared to Tony Abbott who's just an arsehole.

[kimchimafia]

[QUOTE=gerbe1;42062546]Someone probably has somewhere. I think Lincoln or someone edited out all the miracles because he was liek "That never really happened!" and everyone got upset. Or maybe that is a myth.[/QUOTE]

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson, not Lincoln.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible[/URL]

[Bradyns]

-snip-

[Ganerumo]

That pastor kind of looks like an English teacher I once had.

Funnily enough, he was gay.

[Hamsteronfire]

[video=youtube;BvjwnRQAeoU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvjwnRQAeoU[/video]

All I know about Australian politics.
00:30 best bit

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

3:55 Kevin's internal thoughts to this Pastor

[h4ngman]

I don't really buy the "born gay" thing. It sounds good in an argument but we are born without any sexuality and form it through our experiences and interactions with other human beings.
I can very much pinpoint the events that greatly influenced me. It isn't a conscious choice but also nothing genetic. Born gay? Gay genes? come on....

[Curls]

that was fucking legendary

oh my god his face

this is just too good

[QUOTE=H4ngman;42065338]I don't really buy the "born gay" thing. It sounds good in an argument but we are born without any sexuality and form it through our experiences and interactions with other human beings.
I can very much pinpoint the events that greatly influenced me. It isn't a conscious choice but also nothing genetic. Born gay? Gay genes? come on....[/QUOTE]

gay genes isn't that off the rocker. Scientists say there is a gene for liking even bacon. Why not a gene for liking cock?

I think its genetics, how feminine a male or masculine a female is through those genetics, and simply a subconcious part during an upbringing

[[Seed Eater]]

[QUOTE=H4ngman;42065338]I don't really buy the "born gay" thing. It sounds good in an argument but we are born without any sexuality and form it through our experiences and interactions with other human beings.
I can very much pinpoint the events that greatly influenced me. It isn't a conscious choice but also nothing genetic. Born gay? Gay genes? come on....[/QUOTE]

Well, yes you are?

We're all born with the biological indicators that say "you are a human and you are genetically designed to want to fuck men/women". It's part of our genetic/biological nature. Unless we're born without genitals and missing the genes that establish sexual attraction then we're born with a disposition that says "you will want to fuck x". Unless you're prepared to make the argument that sexual behavior is completely outside of the genetic arena, that we are taught to want to be sexual and in a certain way, then we are born sexual.

Now, how one is sexual, their attractions and whatnot are definitely swayed by their upbringing, their environment, their psychological and mental status, sure. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_sexual_orientation"]But it's a fact that your genetic makeup contributes to your sexual orientation[/URL]. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_theories_of_homosexuality"]There are multiple potential genetic occurrences that contribute to sexual orientation.[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Biological_differences_in_gay_men_and_lesbians"]There are multiple indicators[/URL]. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness_and_sexual_orientation"]Some of which are able to be determined pre-natal, suggesting that sexual orientation can be a consequence of something occurring before you are born[/URL].

Sexuality, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer"]as with gender[/URL], is not something created completely out of psychology and environment like you are arguing. There are biological reasons, and for the most part you can't make your body physically respond to something that you aren't biologically attracted to, which suggests that there is a genetic disposition in play.

I wish I could find the article I'm looking for, it may have been a blog post, but the gay author made the argument that it honestly doesn't matter if anyone is born gay, the fact of the matter is that there are people who are gay and we need to focus on their liberation- (s)he argued that all the argument over being born gay or not born gay misses the point, and that it's honestly an offense to boil down whether someone should be free to do as they wish and live how they should based on some genetic merit, like if we need to know that gay people are born out of a genetic lottery in order to support gay liberation then we're failing at liberating anyone, because we're constricting liberation to those who we can justify as being accidents, as having no choice in the matter. We make it into "[I]this happened to them[/I], we must pity them and give them equality, give them the same privileges" instead of "[I]this is who they are[/I], let them live how they choose."

So in the end? It shouldn't matter.

[MadBomber]

This is what I like to see, a good calm debate with strong points and no over the top arguing, its nice.

[pr00ch]

So. much. Fucking. Zing.

I don't know how he is still alive, no one could survive such a burn, especially not in front of so many people, and on TV on top of it. I mean holy shit.

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

Although You have to give props to the pastor in some extent, he didn't go absolutely apeshit, he just stood there and took it.