lesson of the day: dont buy a $9000 prebuilt computer - General

Why all the hate on water cooling? Just build it yourself and do it right. Its just as reliable as air. I've been using it for 6 years and I've never had anything go wrong. I've taken my computers to LAN parties too so its not like its super fragile. Also, to quote the water cooling god ssjwizard on ocforums, "any non conductive coolant that contains water will become conductive as soon as you pump it across a copper plate." "non conductive" coolant is just marketing bs.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39034011]The good thing is it's Cyberpower and will replace that shit. Such a shame though. Even if he didn't get an extended Warranty, CPPC gives you a month to RMA anything for free, minus the shipping cost to them, and if you're going to spend $9000 on a PC, you damn well better get the extended I had my PC built by Cyberpower and I plan on using them again to be honest. It was cheaper than building it from NewEgg, and worked out of the box ever since with no issues This is why I'm afraid of liquid cooling. I never plan to Overclock anything so I don't ever see a need for having potential liquid death running through my rig[/QUOTE] Cyberpower really are quite lovely, this cost me £500 : [img]http://i.imgur.com/3bEOt.png[/img] couldn't believe my luck when I first found this :v:

He overdone it, but I'm guessing he was planning on it lasting for a long time.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;39035338]I have a 800 dollar Ibuypower comp (same thing as cyberpower). Its liquid cooled. been running 2 years strong. Idles at 14 C when my room is 16 C My only issue with pre-built comps is the power supply. My first Ibuypower had a PSU go out twice. The one i replaced it with wasn't up to snuff i guess. Went out 3 years later, taking down the motherboard with it. I said fuck it, got a new one. a year and a half later, the power supply blew up because it got damaged due to a power-surge. Not really Ibuypowers fault, as 1: I was putting a LOT of stress on my PSUs, and 2: was just bad luck with the power surge. They're not the greatest PC's in the world, and they sometimes require work when things go wrong, but for the money, you get quite a bang for your buck. I may build my next comp, it would take more time, and be slightly SLIGHTLY cheaper.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but you can't idle at temps lower than ambient, unless you're using some very special form of cooling.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;39035338]I have a 800 dollar Ibuypower comp (same thing as cyberpower). Its liquid cooled. been running 2 years strong. Idles at 14 C when my room is 16 C My only issue with pre-built comps is the power supply. My first Ibuypower had a PSU go out twice. The one i replaced it with wasn't up to snuff i guess. Went out 3 years later, taking down the motherboard with it. I said fuck it, got a new one. a year and a half later, the power supply blew up because it got damaged due to a power-surge. Not really Ibuypowers fault, as 1: I was putting a LOT of stress on my PSUs, and 2: was just bad luck with the power surge. They're not the greatest PC's in the world, and they sometimes require work when things go wrong, but for the money, you get quite a bang for your buck. I may build my next comp, it would take more time, and be slightly SLIGHTLY cheaper.[/QUOTE] Lol "slightly." Not only would it have been cheaper and better, but you wouldn't have shitty PSU problems. That is one of the main problems with pre-builts, is that they always come with shitty power supplies to increase profits. [editline]30th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dead Madman;39035565]Cyberpower really are quite lovely, this cost me £500 : [img]http://i.imgur.com/3bEOt.png[/img] couldn't believe my luck when I first found this :v:[/QUOTE] For 500 pounds, you could do alot better. (Like a i5 and Ati 7850)

Nice overreaction FP Water cooling if done right won't ever give out, this was a blatant problem with the pipes that an enthusiast would never overlook And besides coolant is nearly always non-conductive and non-corroding, so the only parts that could have gotten actually damaged from that would be the PSU, cooler fans and mechanical hard drives, everything else should work just fine after drying it out.

You get two years warranty under a trading standard agreement in the UK so even if he didn't have a warranty he could still get it replaced for free, and if he didn't - off to court!

[QUOTE=Liamhailhail2.0;39035569]He overdone it, but I'm guessing he was planning on it lasting for a long time.[/QUOTE] People called me nuts when I built my 3.2ghz P4 rig almost five years ago. It's really nice to own a computer that you can shove under the desk and aside from cleaning the filters every few months you don't touch it because it's going to take a while before ANYTHING inside needs to be upgraded. You build a system for $800 and you commit to upgrading the system piece by piece for the rest of its life. That being said I've had a water cooling failure myself but it was in the radiator and small enough it was evaporating off fast enough to prevent a real problem. I only saw it when I noticed my resivoir was low.

Watercooling is easy as shit to setup, i've had 2 rigs so far using it and it's super safe if you're not retarded. I feel bad his broke like that

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;39035898]Watercooling is easy as shit to setup, i've had 2 rigs so far using it and it's super safe if you're not retarded. I feel bad his broke like that[/QUOTE] Were you using a [URL="http://images.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=15620"]closed loop kit [/URL]or an actual custom watercooling loop? big difference.

[QUOTE=Dead Madman;39035565]Cyberpower really are quite lovely, this cost me £500 : [img]http://i.imgur.com/3bEOt.png[/img] couldn't believe my luck when I first found this :v:[/QUOTE] I love CPPC based on my experience. There's other people with some horror stories about them but I haven't had a single issue out of mine going on its 3rd year now. I got this in 2009 for $816. I remember putting the same parts in my cart on NewEgg before buying it, Fans, PSU and everything, and it came out to be almost $900 [img]http://i.imgur.com/pUpKR.jpg[/img] With an HD5750, I just put a 7850 in it two weeks ago. You can get a PC that makes this look like shit, from CPPC even, for about $600 now But hey, you can go to Best Buy or Order from NewEgg all your computer parts all the time and you'll still run into DOA's and faulty Hardware. My electricity was cut off the other year by mistake, and when a guy came out to cut it back on, a Corsair PSU I had in my 2800 computer fucking exploded, fried it all, and smelled the entire house up with that burning electric smell

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39035959]I love CPPC based on my experience. There's other people with some horror stories about them but I haven't had a single issue out of mine going on its 3rd year now. I got this in 2009 for $816. I remember putting the same parts in my cart on NewEgg before buying it, Fans, PSU and everything, and it came out to be almost $900 [img]http://i.imgur.com/pUpKR.jpg[/img] With an HD5750, I just put a 7850 in it two weeks ago. You can get a PC that makes this look like shit, from CPPC even, for about $600 now But hey, you can go to Best Buy or Order from NewEgg all your computer parts all the time and you'll still run into DOA's and faulty Hardware. My electricity was cut off the other year by mistake, and when a guy came out to cut it back on, a Corsair PSU I had in my 2800 computer fucking exploded, fried it all, and smelled the entire house up with that burning electric smell[/QUOTE] There is something wrong with this whole tale.... Like i'm not calling you a liar, but some of that stuff doesn't add up right. Especially considering you got a 5750 for a $816 build (It was only a $130 card, what the hell was the rest of the build?). Which makes it very hard to believe you actually out budgeted CPPC putting the same parts in newegg. Also a $600 computer from them is quite lame really, I think you get a ATI 7770 at best. Buying parts from Best buy will fuck you up, but if you research your items, then buying from newegg is easily safer. I don't even know how to respond to the power supply story though.

[QUOTE=striker453;39035456]Distilled water if spilled onto a computer will be worse than a mineral water for the same reason we don't drink ultra pure water[/QUOTE] Uhh what Did you take basic chemistry? Water doesnt conduct electricity, its the electrolytes and molecules of substances that form a conductive solution.

[QUOTE=aznz888;39036159]Uhh what Did you take basic chemistry? Water doesnt conduct electricity, its the electrolytes and molecules of substances that form a conductive solution.[/QUOTE] i think he means it would near instantly corrode all of the metal parts on a PCB i could be wrong

For 9000$ you'd expect non-conductive liquid cooling :colbert:

I am definitely glad i never went with a liquid cooling system when i was building my rig. Although it would be nice to have UV LEDS and some fluorescent, non conductive fluid though, and clear pipes. I actually kinda regret building my own, because i have put a lot of money into replacement parts, because they always seem to die just after the warranty does.

The pc in the top part is actually pretty cool. But it's just more practical to get a separate case for it.

[QUOTE=MIPS;39035880]People called me nuts when I built my 3.2ghz P4 rig almost five years ago. It's really nice to own a computer that you can shove under the desk and aside from cleaning the filters every few months you don't touch it because it's going to take a while before ANYTHING inside needs to be upgraded. You build a system for $800 and you commit to upgrading the system piece by piece for the rest of its life.[/QUOTE] My computer begs to differ. I built it 6 or 7 years ago out of third-hand bits and bobs. I haven't done a single upgrade to it in that time, aside from more harddrive space. I can still play modern games. Sure I'm not maxing them out or anything. But I am playing them, I am enjoying them, and it isn't in a eye-strainingly-low res(1600x1200 FYI). So no, you don't need to upgrade it constantly. You can still build one on the cheap and leave it alone for a few years. You just need to shake yourself of the "ERMAGHERD My proc's six seconds out of date, GOTTA SWAP IT OUT" mindset so many PC gamers are mired in.

[QUOTE=BlueYoshi;39034853]They are huge as [SUP][SUP][SUP]fuck[/SUP][/SUP][/SUP] and they don't use non-conductive liquid because that costs a lot more.[/QUOTE] To be honest, If your going to spend 9k on a computer i don't think money is of any concern.

There is nothing wrong with water cooling. It's a hell of a lot better than buying massive clunky heatsinks, which work okay for mild OCing, but for enthusiasts water cooling is much better. Lower temperatures, less noise, higher overclocking potential and your chips won't risk degrading as much due to the lower temps. It's expensive, but the maintenance isn't that bad. As long as you're not an idiot nothing bad is going to happen. Buying prebuilts defeats the purpose of water cooling in the first place considering most people don't know how to take proper advantage anyways. Honestly his videos give water cooling a bad name.

Why the fuck would you get a prebuilt in the first place? If you can use a screwdriver and follow simple directions, you can build a computer . And for a fraction of the price of a prebuilt, too.

[QUOTE=proch;39036215]For 9000$ you'd expect non-conductive liquid cooling :colbert:[/QUOTE] Fluorinert will set you back a few grand easily. The case reminds me of a slimmed down Mozart TX. Looks a hell of a lot nicer too. [img]http://xxdarckcrystalxx.free.fr/Matos/Thermaltake/MozartTX/1024x768/DSCN1478_redimensionner.JPG[/img]

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;39037374]Why the fuck would you get a prebuilt in the first place? If you can use a screwdriver and follow simple directions, you can build a computer . And for a fraction of the price of a prebuilt, too.[/QUOTE] Because he doesn't know anything about computers, he didn't want to mess with them, and wanted a warranty. Not everyone wants to build their own computer.

That is one awesome computer but honestly it was way to overkill spec wise, you could buy something so much cheaper and just as awesome. Does anyone REALLY need 64gb of ram and like 6 graphic cards? jesus christ.

[QUOTE=peepin;39034890]Can someone explain why he needs 64GB of ram on a desktop computer?[/QUOTE] I doubt he has 64 gb of ram. The i7 uses trichannel memory. They'd need to be sticks that arrange into a fucking weird way. Even then it'd still probably run pretty bad.

Unless you find yourself consistently needing really higher detail renders in [U]really[/U] short amounts of time you don't have any need for a 9k pc. I mean I find myself doing powerful renders on my 1k rig fairly often and it's usually done in about fourty five minutes. That's using a rendering engine that doesn't even enable use of the gpu for rendering. So unless hes making some insane quality cgi renders he has no need for a pc that overkill besides petty bragging rights.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39034374]And 2TB of SSD, That alone is about $1700[/QUOTE] I wonder when he got it built. 500 bucks for an Intel 520 is... kind of pathetic, it's such an old model. Barely breaks SataII speeds. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=latin_geek;39037532]Because he doesn't know anything about computers, he didn't want to mess with them, and wanted a warranty. Not everyone wants to build their own computer.[/QUOTE] He said he's built his own computers normally, and worked in tech support before. Your other reasons are correct though. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=don818;39037718]I doubt he has 64 gb of ram. The i7 uses trichannel memory. They'd need to be sticks that arrange into a fucking weird way. Even then it'd still probably run pretty bad.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of the first Gen i7. He's running second gen SandyBridge-E 3970X, which is a Quad channel 6 core. 8x8.

[QUOTE=Brt5470;39038163] He said he's built his own computers normally, and worked in tech support before. Your other reasons are correct though. [/QUOTE] Did he say that during the video? His voice is annoying and what I did hear was him not even knowing the CPU's model :v:

That case is pointlessly large. That top PC should be standalone in a micro-atx case that can be tucked away somewhere.

[QUOTE=aznz888;39036159]Uhh what Did you take basic chemistry? Water doesnt conduct electricity, its the electrolytes and molecules of substances that form a conductive solution.[/QUOTE] The moment Distilled water falls onto a board, it's no longer pure and picks up loads of compounds thereby making it conductive.