lesson of the day: dont buy a $9000 prebuilt computer - General

[QUOTE=J!NX;39034894]only a dumbass would think that's a good idea like, full blown retard... you never go full blown[/QUOTE] It's his rendering machine, doofus. RAM is cheap as piss Also watercooling is fine just don't make a cock of it and buy prebuilts

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;39034101]Why would you even use water in a computer? Mineral oil works just fine, and it doesn't make electrical components explode.[/QUOTE] Probably something to do with the enormous amount of energy it takes to heat water a degree C compared to everything else. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=peepin;39034890]Can someone explain why he needs 64GB of ram on a desktop computer?[/QUOTE] Dudes like this will sit and record like 30 hours of gameplay, edit that down to between 10-25 hours and then render it all to be ready to release on time.

I want that case...

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;39038434]I want that case...[/QUOTE] Seriously???? I mean, if it was so freaking huge maybe, but it be the biggest bitch to move.

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;39038434]I want that case...[/QUOTE] Spoiler Alert: It's not a very good case. If you need a big case, get something like a CaseLabs STH10

I just consider it a sin to get a prebuilt computer if you consider yourself a tech savvy person and take pride in your PC. Something about building it yourself just gives this much better feeling to the user and i love it. As for cyber power, i actually would never buy from them again. My first "gaming" computer was bought through them 7 years ago and out of the box, half of the ports didn't work, and in one instance, they gave me an extra port hub on the top of the case but never plugged it in or even gave me a cord to do so. Just recently my sister bought a gaming rig from them against me pleading her not to as for the exact same price i could buy all the same parts and build it, each part itself having its own warranty and can be individually sent off if there were a problem. She still went with cyberpower citing the group warranty on everything. She got her pc and the mobo fried about 3 weeks later. Good customer service but honestly, bad quality from my experience. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=InsanePyro;39038434]I want that case...[/QUOTE] If you want a full sized case go with a much much nicer and known brand like a corsair or antec. I use a full antenc 1200. Despite being 30lbs and almost 2 feet tall, i absolutely love it to death.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;39037374]Why the fuck would you get a prebuilt in the first place? If you can use a screwdriver and follow simple directions, you can build a computer . And for a fraction of the price of a prebuilt, too.[/QUOTE] Eh, not anymore. It's pretty easy to find a prebuilt computer for the same price or slightly more expensive if you look in the right places. I was pretty confident of my computer skills before buying it but figured an additional $100 was an okay price to pay for someone else putting it together. When the cooling failed a couple years later and I had to buy and install a new heatsink, I learned that I am actually incredibly stupid when it comes to such things, which reinforced my opinion of prebuilts.

[QUOTE=aznz888;39036159]Uhh what Did you take basic chemistry? Water doesnt conduct electricity, its the electrolytes and molecules of substances that form a conductive solution.[/QUOTE] Did you take basic chemistry on how aggressively water takes ions from metals? Not only would it rip ions from the board but also bust the whole pcb. If you want to use distilled water for your PC then go ahead

[QUOTE=MIPS;39035880]People called me nuts when I built my 3.2ghz P4 rig almost five years ago. It's really nice to own a computer that you can shove under the desk and aside from cleaning the filters every few months you don't touch it because it's going to take a while before ANYTHING inside needs to be upgraded. [B]You build a system for $800 and you commit to upgrading the system piece by piece for the rest of its life.[/B] That being said I've had a water cooling failure myself but it was in the radiator and small enough it was evaporating off fast enough to prevent a real problem. I only saw it when I noticed my resivoir was low.[/QUOTE] I honestly think that's much more fun. Expensive, but fun.

It's a shame that the case for a 9000 dollar computer looks utterly hideous. You'd think with that kind of money he'd get himself some kind of nice Silverstone or Lian Li case for it.

Water cooling is definitely something you should always do yourself because it's easier to judge where you're making mistakes. At least with me I can be super OCD about following instructions for delicate tasks like that. It looks like those cuts for the tubing were made with a shitty dull box cutter; I know if I put in a custom cooling system I'd have my cuts as perfect as possible. You just don't fuck about with that kind of stuff.

Dear god PC Building would flip their shit if someone tried to build something similar to this (and they have before). At most he would've needed an i7-3770K, 16 GB of RAM (if he needed more for 4K renders it's damn cheap anyways), a good quality mobo, properly installed LCing, 2 GTX 670s or 2 Radeon 7970s in SLI/CFX, a 256 GB SSD, 2 TB of HDD space, and a 650W PSU, and just a mid-tower case (the Corsair 500R that I just got is orgasmic, but something like a 600T would be optimal). Shouldn't be more than $2500 USD tops. And before anyone says "but what about futureproofing", it's a fucking waste of money. [QUOTE=Wizard of Ass;39035035]Hence my PC has a pressure control points which recognize a sudden drop of pressure and in the system and close 2 valves accordingly, it is not 100% safe but it will prevent any major damage and the system will be instantly powered off as well(custom construction, connected the pressure sensors output with an external power switch) :v:[/QUOTE] Damn, that's cool. You should tell people about the parts you used for it (and maybe a how-to guide too) so others could use it too.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;39033940]I think he did get a warranty on it [b]so thank god for that.[/b][/QUOTE] :downs:

Why on earth would you need 3 video cards and 64gb of RAM?!

This year I got a new laptop for Christmas. Chose it myself, my Aunt bought it for $800 (3 year warranty included) It has an i7 2670QM 2.2 Ghz with a "tuboboost" of up to 2.9 Ghz. 4 GB of RAM, could be better, but fine for the moment. Intel HD Graphics 3000, terrible, I know, but given Intel releases new stuff each year if it blows I could get it replaced with a Dedicated. Hard Drive is absolutely horrible, 390 GB was put into a D: drive. (WTH Asus?) Only 280 of it is actually usable for anything other than a back-up, so it wasn't really an upgrade from my last one. The cooling system is BRILLIANT. It sends the air out the left side, not onto your legs, and the only drawback is that the charge cord has to be shifted up a bit. Given that my last computer was a second-hand one from my sister, and had a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz with 4GB or RAM and a simple Integrated Video card, this is a major step up for me. EDIT: Oh, the last one was also $1000 minus the Warranty. And it had Vista on it. Now enjoying Windows 7 64-BIT. Got it in the nick of time before they ran out of Windows 7 ones.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39039884]This year I got a new laptop for Christmas.Chose it myself, my Aunt bought it for $800 (3 year warranty included)It has an i7 2670QM 2.2 Ghz with a "tuboboost" of up to 2.9 Ghz. 4 GB of RAM, could be better, but fine for the moment. [B]Intel HD Graphics 3000, terrible, I know, but given Intel releases new stuff each year if it blows I could get it replaced with a Dedicated.[/B] Hard Drive is absolutely horrible, 390 GB was put into a D: drive. (WTH Asus?) Only 280 of it is actually usable for anything other than a back-up, so it wasn't really an upgrade from my last one. The cooling system is BRILLIANT. It sends the air out the left side, not onto your legs, and the only drawback is that the charge cord has to be shifted up a bit.Given that my last computer was a second-hand one from my sister, and had a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz with 4GB or RAM and a simple Integrated Video card, this is a major step up for me.EDIT: Oh, the last one was also $1000 minus the Warranty. And it had Vista on it. Now enjoying Windows 7 64-BIT. Got it in the nick of time before they ran out of Windows 7 ones.[/QUOTE] If by dedicated you mean a brand new video card that goes in its own PCI slot you're wrong. Intel's video "cards" have been previously integrated directly onto the Mobo; now they're integrated into the actual CPU so there's no way to upgrade a laptop's video card.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39039884]This year I got a new laptop for Christmas. Chose it myself, my Aunt bought it for $800 (3 year warranty included) It has an i7 2670QM 2.2 Ghz with a "tuboboost" of up to 2.9 Ghz. 4 GB of RAM, could be better, but fine for the moment. Intel HD Graphics 3000, terrible, I know, but given Intel releases new stuff each year if it blows I could get it replaced with a Dedicated. Hard Drive is absolutely horrible, 390 GB was put into a D: drive. (WTH Asus?) Only 280 of it is actually usable for anything other than a back-up, so it wasn't really an upgrade from my last one. The cooling system is BRILLIANT. It sends the air out the left side, not onto your legs, and the only drawback is that the charge cord has to be shifted up a bit. Given that my last computer was a second-hand one from my sister, and had a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz with 4GB or RAM and a simple Integrated Video card, this is a major step up for me. EDIT: Oh, the last one was also $1000 minus the Warranty. And it had Vista on it. Now enjoying Windows 7 64-BIT. Got it in the nick of time before they ran out of Windows 7 ones.[/QUOTE] lol

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;39039941]If by dedicated you mean a brand new video card that goes in its own PCI slot you're wrong. Intel's video "cards" have been previously integrated directly onto the Mobo; now they're integrated into the actual CPU so there's no way to upgrade.[/QUOTE] No, what I mean is, if the CPU or the Card goes kaput, I get a new i7 under warranty. If I pay extra I might be able to get myself a Dedicated installed. I hope.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39039971]No, what I mean is, if the CPU or the Card goes kaput, I get a new i7 under warranty. If I pay extra I might be able to get myself a Dedicated installed. I hope.[/QUOTE] The CPU and Intel Graphics are the same thing. The actual "Video Card" is in a dedicated spot on the processor. Intel has been doing that since Sandy Bridge. There's no way to get a dedicated card installed on a laptop because dedicated video cards are huge. This [img_thumb]http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/03/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-2gb-review/gtx680-1b.jpg[/img_thumb] Can't Fit Inside of This [IMG]http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/7304835/P14776288.jpg[/IMG] Your laptop would have to be built with one of Nivida's or Ati's mobility cards, which by the sound of it your Laptop wasn't made for gaming.

Dedicated video card also refers to the chips in the laptops themselves, it means that the video processor is separate from the CPU. I'm sure he realizes that a desktop graphics card wouldn't fit in there, don't automatically treat people like an idiot.

This is like everyone's nightmare when dealing with water-cooling. I don't see why he would be lucky for having a warrant, who wouldn't pay a little extra when you've just spent $9000.

How I learned to stop worrying and love water cooling; [I]for dummies![/I] -3/8 ID tubing over 1/2 OD barbs. You'll have to heat up the tube ends to slip them over the barbs, and after they've cooled, [I]they'll have molded to the barb[/I]. You don't need hose clamps with this approach. -Fucking use hose clamps anyway. The end.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;39040072]This is like everyone's nightmare when dealing with water-cooling. I don't see why he would be lucky for having a warrant, [b]who wouldn't pay a little extra when you've just spent $9000.[/b][/QUOTE] An idiot that has no clue what he's doing?

[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39040054]Dedicated video card also refers to the chips in the laptops themselves, it means that the video processor is separate from the CPU. I'm sure he realizes that a desktop graphics card wouldn't fit in there, don't automatically treat people like an idiot.[/QUOTE] Aren't some chips can be on it's own board? I read up about it and it was some MXM 3.0 slot in the laptop that could be swapped over or upgraded.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39039720][img]http://i.imgur.com/bxMXa.png[/img] I have absolutely no idea how much I've spent on this over the years.[/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/81021111/myhardware.PNG[/img] Geforce GTX 560 Ti :buddy:

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39039884]This year I got a new laptop for Christmas. Chose it myself, my Aunt bought it for $800 (3 year warranty included) It has an i7 2670QM 2.2 Ghz with a "tuboboost" of up to 2.9 Ghz. 4 GB of RAM, could be better, but fine for the moment. Intel HD Graphics 3000, terrible, I know, but given Intel releases new stuff each year if it blows I could get it replaced with a Dedicated. Hard Drive is absolutely horrible, 390 GB was put into a D: drive. (WTH Asus?) Only 280 of it is actually usable for anything other than a back-up, so it wasn't really an upgrade from my last one. The cooling system is BRILLIANT. It sends the air out the left side, not onto your legs, and the only drawback is that the charge cord has to be shifted up a bit. Given that my last computer was a second-hand one from my sister, and had a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz with 4GB or RAM and a simple Integrated Video card, this is a major step up for me. EDIT: Oh, the last one was also $1000 minus the Warranty. And it had Vista on it. Now enjoying Windows 7 64-BIT. Got it in the nick of time before they ran out of Windows 7 ones.[/QUOTE] I never got the full point of having a "gaming" laptop. Gaming Laptop is an oxymoron. Yes you can get a high powered laptop (which is still something i doubt most people who have them, myself included, actually need or will use to its full potential), but even then it's just frivolous. Yeah sure for mobility it's quite practical like when im home from school on the weekends to work and i have my laptop with me to play borderlands 2 on, but you shouldn't get a high powered laptop to render videos and such, you should have a desktop for that.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;39040089][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/81021111/myhardware.PNG[/img] Geforce GTX 560 Ti :buddy:[/QUOTE] Can I squeeze in too? Just 1 generation ahead, but it's just one number off, right? [thumb]http://imgur.com/M2Uqs.png[/thumb]

[QUOTE=Tudd;39036044]There is something wrong with this whole tale.... Like i'm not calling you a liar, but some of that stuff doesn't add up right. Especially considering you got a 5750 for a $816 build (It was only a $130 card, what the hell was the rest of the build?). Which makes it very hard to believe you actually out budgeted CPPC putting the same parts in newegg. Also a $600 computer from them is quite lame really, I think you get a ATI 7770 at best. Buying parts from Best buy will fuck you up, but if you research your items, then buying from newegg is easily safer. I don't even know how to respond to the power supply story though.[/QUOTE] I got a $100 AZZA Case 320GB HDD HD5750 was just under $200 at the time, they're something like $80 now. If you can find one, I still recommend it for a Just-To-Get-By-For-Now card 700w PSU 4GB DDR3 Kingston RAM 2x2gb DVD R/W + CD R/W AMD Phenom II 955 Quad Core 3.2ghz 2x 120mm fans on the side, Another in the front ASUS M4A78LT-M-LE Motherboard. $65 at the time, about the same now Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. Windows 7 was only a few months old I got this when Bad Company 2 was in Beta. Today, the exact same system on Newegg runs under $600, if the Phenom 955 was still for sale, and not counting an OS Also, the PSU story. Don't go without a surge protector, ever. The Power being cut back on in the house just blew it

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39040229]Dem temps.[/QUOTE] Using the stock cooler which came with the cpu, probably need an after market cooler and to re apply some thermal paste, been using the stock cooler since I built this current PC 2 years ago now. Not like the temp effects performance anyway.

[QUOTE=.:FoxOnFire:.;39040417]Using the stock cooler which came with the cpu, probably need an after market cooler and to re apply some thermal paste. Not like the temp effects performance anyway.[/QUOTE] I've been wondering if I should bother getting a new cooler or not. I've been using the same heatsink fan for the past 4 years. It's a great fan and it's taken care of many different CPU's that I've gone through, but I worry that since it's rather aged if I should invest in another one. It was originally built for dual-core CPUs if that matters - it's currently being used on a quad core now. [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7835823/nid_computer_specs.jpg[/img]