lesson of the day: dont buy a $9000 prebuilt computer - General

[QUOTE=KorJax;39043565]Honestly sometimes I wish I had a laptop Fact of the matter is moving your desktop to the living room for games/movies with your bf or friends can be cumbersome. Moving it to your friends house doubly so. It takes a minimum of 10-15 minutes to disconnect everything, pack up all your cables/cords, and move them all out to the car, and the same amount of time to set it up again. Thats a total 40min-1hr to take your PC to someone else house for some gaming fun or whatever and bringing it back again. Plus working on stuff like level design, project work, etc that can only really be done on a PC is so much nicer when you can just pack up and work on it somewhere else for a new change of scenery or seatery instead of being always forced to work on such tasks at your desk in your room. A laptop gets around all those things. It's as easy as putting it in a bag and just going to where you want to set up your PC at. I used to think gaming laptops were stupid as well, but damn. When you treat them like ultra-portable desktop PC's they are great for that. I'd love to just be able to set up a laptop in my living room for games on a whim, or be able to easily take it to someone else house without having to deal with the set up process. Or I'd love to work on my modding/design projects in my living room, around my apartment, or even at the local coffee shop for a change of scenery. You can't really do that with a PC easily. Plus having a laptop is basically like having a cheap UPS - you don't lose what you are doing/working on when the power goes out because of the battery. Still, i'd miss the affordability and upgradability of PC so I don't think I'd ever be able to switch to a gaming laptop. I think if I could have my cake and eat it too I'd like to get a true PC, that is built like a laptop. I.E. its every way upgradeable and cheap as a PC but has a screen built into it and all that jazz so it just works like a laptop with the fact that it has a battery (that'd maybe last only 30 min, for when power goes out), a screen, no real cables to work with etc. It'd be like a rectangular box, that has a fold out keyboard or something, and behind the screen is all the components. It'd probably look way to goofy to take it in public but it'd still be hell of a lot easier to move around my apartment, to other people's homes, etc.[/QUOTE] It can be a bit cumbersome moving a mid to full tower case; but a trick I learned to make the packing up easier was to essentially keep a LAN Party satchel. I put duplicate cords and such in there so that way when I wanted to go to a friend's house I'd just sling it over my shoulder, grab my tower and screen then leave. The only packing I'd have to do was unplugging my mouse, keyboard, and headset then stick them in my bag.

[QUOTE=KorJax;39043565]Honestly sometimes I wish I had a laptop Fact of the matter is moving your desktop to the living room for games/movies with your bf or friends can be cumbersome. Moving it to your friends house doubly so. It takes a minimum of 10-15 minutes to disconnect everything, pack up all your cables/cords, and move them all out to the car, and the same amount of time to set it up again. Thats a total 40min-1hr to take your PC to someone else house for some gaming fun or whatever and bringing it back again. Plus working on stuff like level design, project work, etc that can only really be done on a PC is so much nicer when you can just pack up and work on it somewhere else for a new change of scenery or seatery instead of being always forced to work on such tasks at your desk in your room. A laptop gets around all those things. It's as easy as putting it in a bag and just going to where you want to set up your PC at. I used to think gaming laptops were stupid as well, but damn. When you treat them like ultra-portable desktop PC's they are great for that. I'd love to just be able to set up a laptop in my living room for games on a whim, or be able to easily take it to someone else house without having to deal with the set up process. Or I'd love to work on my modding/design projects in my living room, around my apartment, or even at the local coffee shop for a change of scenery. You can't really do that with a PC easily. Plus having a laptop is basically like having a cheap UPS - you don't lose what you are doing/working on when the power goes out because of the battery. Still, i'd miss the affordability and upgradability of PC so I don't think I'd ever be able to switch to a gaming laptop. I think if I could have my cake and eat it too I'd like to get a true PC, that is built like a laptop. I.E. its every way upgradeable and cheap as a PC but has a screen built into it and all that jazz so it just works like a laptop with the fact that it has a battery (that'd maybe last only 30 min, for when power goes out), a screen, no real cables to work with etc. It'd be like a rectangular box, that has a fold out keyboard or something, and behind the screen is all the components. It'd probably look way to goofy to take it in public but it'd still be hell of a lot easier to move around my apartment, to other people's homes, etc.[/QUOTE] As niche as this sounds, a really bulky laptop that you could upgrade significantly and had little to no battery would be awesome.

[QUOTE=adam1172;39040591]ITT: We post speccys. Also, I wonder if liquid cooling is worth the dosh compared to a cautiously planned wind tunnel tested super aerodynamic airflow air cooling.[/QUOTE] Water cooling is superior to air cooling in every way with the only downside being catastrophic failure of everything if a tube were to rupture. Water transfers heat much better than air which is why vehicles are cooled the same way.

[QUOTE=Hatsuke;39052729]Water cooling is superior to air cooling in every way with the only downside being catastrophic failure of everything if a tube were to rupture. Water transfers heat much better than air which is why vehicles are cooled the same way.[/QUOTE] Yeah, in terms of performance I do have to agree that water cooling is the way to go if you can afford it. You simply can push more performance out of your components through overclocking with water cooling. The only problem is the regular maintenance; from flushing the system to checking your connections regularly if you're the type of computer user that doesn't like the added stress then fan cooling is better for you. I want to do water cooling eventually; it just can get a bit pricey which is why I'll just wait until I can put together an exceptional rig and get high quality components. It'd definitely be a fun project, and it really does allow for some unique designs.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;39052725]As niche as this sounds, a really bulky laptop that you could upgrade significantly and had little to no battery would be awesome.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't even be a difficult thing to make, The technology already exists. Use a mini ITX motherboard and a PCI-E riser to turn the video card 90 degrees and you suddenly have a low profile machine. [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/286964/fpdrop/mini-itx-case-04-03-B.jpg[/img] Now if some case manufacturer could come along and make a mini-itx case with a flip-up display on the top and a built in keyboard and mouse under that. Perfect. Though you could make that yourself. Even a slimline Mircro-ATX case with a screen bolted to it would be small enough for some people.

I had watercooling in my computer once and it worked great until one day one of the hoses leaked and caused a mini flood in my case. Luckily for me the fluid was non conductive so it caused no damage and I just went back to air cooling. My buddy wasn't so lucky though, he used regular tap water in his jerry rigged water cooling system and even through many pleas to change it he refused and eventually the inevitable happened.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;39052949]I had watercooling in my computer once and it worked great until one day one of the hoses leaked and caused a mini flood in my case. Luckily for me the fluid was non conductive so it caused no damage and I just went back to air cooling. My buddy wasn't so lucky though, he used regular tap water in his jerry rigged water cooling system and even through many pleas to change it he refused and eventually the inevitable happened.[/QUOTE] I think I'd rather do "Case open industrial fan blasting" style than that for a "Super rig" I'd like that, but, to me it doesn't seem very convenient.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39039621]Damn, that's cool. You should tell people about the parts you used for it (and maybe a how-to guide too) so others could use it too.[/QUOTE] Used aquarium equipment there, I couldn't find pressure sensors that were suited for the system so I had to buy some that you'd use in aquariums and some adapters, all that is pretty much jury rigged together, looks neat because all the electronic parts are hidden within a aluminium box, which I don't dare to open because it will probably fall apart :v: There is nothing really special about that stuff though, everyone with basic education in physics and some handiwork could do the same, probably better.

Comment from that video [quote]This comment has received too many negative votes Jake Turnbull 3 hours ago Holy shit that* happened to my badass custom computer and that was real badass it had 2.5 TB of RAM and 2.5 TB Of hard drive and that only cost me £399.99 because i got a discount :)[/quote] ...

I was trying to explain to my friend how much of a waste of money it was and I was fucking happy when he broke it. Lesson learned. You could say im an asshole. [QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39040198]Can I squeeze in too? Just 1 generation ahead, but it's just one number off, right? [thumb]http://imgur.com/M2Uqs.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] Hows that 660 working for you? I ordered mine the other day. I bought the 280 dollar card.

Someone may have said this before. But if you're going to have water cooling, don't put the 1000w power supply on the bottom of the case, where water would pool in a leak. The high voltage PSU is the one component you really don't want to get wet.

[QUOTE=Solid_Granite;39060169]Someone may have said this before. But if you're going to have water cooling, don't put the 1000w power supply on the bottom of the case, where water would pool in a leak. The high voltage PSU is the one component you really don't want to get wet.[/QUOTE] Every good case I know that's made for watercooling mounts it on the bottom. Also having rubber grommets or pads on the bottom that raise it a little off the case's floor. Top mounted power supply on a good case is rare.

[QUOTE=Tudd;39042577]I know that story on power surges all to well. I host monthly LAN Parties, and 3 of my regulars and myself got hit by a power surge at our houses on the same day, frying everything almost. Also HD5750 was never higher then $150 dollars, unless you got a brand card that is ridiculous on the onboard video ram. The thing is back then, you could have built a computer for about $400 easily that would have used that 5750 to the full use.[/QUOTE] It was about $170 new. For the amount of power that comes out of it, that's pretty cheap, and what I just paid for my 7850

[QUOTE=ycap5;39054652]Hows that 660 working for you? I ordered mine the other day. I bought the 280 dollar card.[/QUOTE] My 660 ti has been working flawlessly so far.

If I could affoard a crazy computer build, I'd definetly get one of these babies. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBvWXH1hLs[/media] Really cool build.

[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;39052808]It wouldn't even be a difficult thing to make, The technology already exists. Use a mini ITX motherboard and a PCI-E riser to turn the video card 90 degrees and you suddenly have a low profile machine. [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/286964/fpdrop/mini-itx-case-04-03-B.jpg[/img] Now if some case manufacturer could come along and make a mini-itx case with a flip-up display on the top and a built in keyboard and mouse under that. Perfect. Though you could make that yourself. Even a slimline Mircro-ATX case with a screen bolted to it would be small enough for some people.[/QUOTE] Using 30mm and 50mm fans would make for some incredible noise, though.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39062526]It was about $170 new. For the amount of power that comes out of it, that's pretty cheap, and what I just paid for my 7850[/QUOTE] You got ripped off unfortunately then. Ati 5750 was never that high.

[QUOTE=ycap5;39054652]I was trying to explain to my friend how much of a waste of money it was and I was fucking happy when he broke it. Lesson learned. You could say im an asshole. Hows that 660 working for you? I ordered mine the other day. I bought the 280 dollar card.[/QUOTE] I thought it was funny as fuck as well, considering how bloated it is.

Hah as a prebuild reseller I close the cases with a sticker "warranty void if broken". This guy would be fucked.

[QUOTE=Thugaim;39065055]Hah as a prebuild reseller I close the cases with a sticker "warranty void if broken". This guy would be fucked.[/QUOTE] You're a horrible person.

[QUOTE=MILKE;39064281]If I could affoard a crazy computer build, I'd definetly get one of these babies. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBvWXH1hLs[/media] Really cool build.[/QUOTE] Holy fuck all CPU cores are between 20-14 degrees

[QUOTE=Thugaim;39065055]Hah as a prebuild reseller I close the cases with a sticker "warranty void if broken". This guy would be fucked.[/QUOTE] What kind of rightminded person would buy a computer from you? It's probably not enforceable at all and you could be responsible for any damage simply by not allowing the person to get inside to maintain it. Please explain more about this

[QUOTE=Thugaim;39065055]Hah as a prebuild reseller I close the cases with a sticker "warranty void if broken". This guy would be fucked.[/QUOTE] How am I even supposed to check what you installed in it then? Maybe I'm curious you know? Or maybe what if I have to clean it?

[QUOTE=Daemon;39066513]What kind of rightminded person would buy a computer from you? It's probably not enforceable at all and you could be responsible for any damage simply by not allowing the person to get inside to maintain it. Please explain more about this[/QUOTE] It's legal in the uk as far as I can tell.

[QUOTE=alien_guy;39066601]It's legal in the uk as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE] Oh. Come to think of it, majority of people who buy pre builds buy them because they may not know too much about computers and shouldn't be fiddling inside them anyway but still, that isn't always the case. I don't know i guess it protects both asses in a sense. The seller provides warranty for anything that happens regardless and in return, he doesn't need to worry about clumsy or fraudulent people (can't you buy void if broken stickers and just replace them?).

[QUOTE=mysteryman;39065577]You're a horrible person.[/QUOTE] Well fuck you, I gotta live too, also you shouldn't open the fucking case then.

[QUOTE=alien_guy;39066601]It's legal in the uk as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE] Almost every prebuilt I have bought has had one of those stickers in, it's quite common practice in the UK from what I can tell, and it seems largely to be there so that a company doesn't have to fix a problem you caused by deciding to fuck around inside the PC. But most people ignore it anyway and take it to other repair shops because they tend to work a lot faster.

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;39066588]How am I even supposed to check what you installed in it then? Maybe I'm curious you know? Or maybe what if I have to clean it?[/QUOTE] I'm not taking the risk of of some brat fiddling around with components and then requesting a refund if he fried it by putting the wrong cables in the mobo. If you don't trust me you can come over to my place and watch with your own eyes how I construct your PC. Also most customers are older people, you are not my target demographic. [QUOTE=Daemon;39066513]What kind of rightminded person would buy a computer from you? It's probably not enforceable at all and you could be responsible for any damage simply by not allowing the person to get inside to maintain it. Please explain more about this[/QUOTE] EU laws are pretty favorable to sellers of customized goods. If its broken you bring it back the way you got it and we'll arrange a RMA. I'm not repairing your shit for free because you slid a screwdriver across the motherboard.

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[QUOTE=Thugaim;39068826] EU laws are pretty favorable to sellers of customized goods. If its broken you bring it back the way you got it and we'll arrange a RMA. I'm not repairing your shit for free because you slid a screwdriver across the motherboard.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry i put judgment towards the mindset people must be in to buy your computers.