Move on? How can you tell some kid to move on when his father died in 9/11.
Because it showed how no country is untouchable.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;33228712]Because fellow Americans died, and because we were unstoppable as a nation, we could overcome any odds and have always persevered. Then we were shown that we are vulnerable. Despite our failures, we are still a nation of good hardworking people and we will get our mojo back, and become better than we are now.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry to say, but if America had minded its own business, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Unlike many people blinded by patriotic bullshit, I see the point they were trying to make, they just went about doing it the wrong way.
Let me get this straight. We can invade other countries, rape them of their resources, and that's fine, but the minute someone finally says, "Enough is enough!" they're considered "terrorists." While I never agree with killing innocents, 9/11 happened because the U.S. was occupying areas of the Middle East. Not because terrorists "hate our freedom", not because they're "jealous" (yes, there are people who said they were jealous).
Does that excuse the deaths of over 3000 people, of course not. Those people died doing their day to day routine, not hurting anyone. WTC was chosen because of its strategic business importance. Thousands of successful companies including banks were run out of the complex, and there is one thing Americans cannot live without: Money. In all honesty, it was smart of Bin Laden to attack WTC. Drop a key financial district, kill 3000 people in the process, and completely cripple American's sense of arrogance (for at least a few weeks), I'd say it'd be a success except for that whole "retaliation" thing.
Anyway, 10 years ago the world changed forever. For 10 years, we've been at war, a senseless war. That doesn't mean we simply ignore things and ignore the people who die for us. While the men in suites get to dictate whatever happens, the men in uniform are simply doing their jobs that none of us spineless forum-dwellers ever could. I don't care if your British, American, Canadian, German, etc. It's a global war, everyone suffers. Saying to simply "forget" about 3000 deaths is a bit much to ask. Hell, people are still mourning over Pearl Harbor, and that was nearly 80 years ago.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33228835]I'm sorry to say, but if America had minded its own business, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Unlike many people blinded by patriotic bullshit, I see the point they were trying to make, they just went about doing it the wrong way.
Let me get this straight. We can invade other countries, rape them of their resources, and that's fine, but the minute someone finally says, "Enough is enough!" they're considered "terrorists." While I never agree with killing innocents, 9/11 happened because the U.S. was occupying areas of the Middle East. Not because terrorists "hate our freedom", not because they're "jealous" (yes, there are people who said they were jealous).
Does that excuse the deaths of over 3000 people, of course not. Those people died doing their day to day routine, not hurting anyone. WTC was chosen because of its strategic business importance. Thousands of successful companies including banks were run out of the complex, and there is one thing Americans cannot live without: Money. In all honesty, it was smart of Bin Laden to attack WTC. Drop a key financial district, kill 3000 people in the process, and completely cripple American's sense of arrogance (for at least a few weeks), I'd say it'd be a success except for that whole "retaliation" thing.
Anyway, 10 years ago the world changed forever. For 10 years, we've been at war, a senseless war. That doesn't mean we simply ignore things and ignore the people who die for us. While the men in suites get to dictate whatever happens, the men in uniform are simply doing their jobs that none of us spineless forum-dwellers ever could. I don't care if your British, American, Canadian, German, etc. It's a global war, everyone suffers. Saying to simply "forget" about 3000 deaths is a bit much to ask. Hell, people are still mourning over Pearl Harbor, and that was nearly 80 years ago.[/QUOTE]
So you're pretty much saying that we've had it coming? But yeah. I find it astounding that people simply ask to "Get over it".
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33228835]I'm sorry to say, but if America had minded its own business, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Unlike many people blinded by patriotic bullshit, I see the point they were trying to make, they just went about doing it the wrong way.
Let me get this straight. We can invade other countries, rape them of their resources, and that's fine, but the minute someone finally says, "Enough is enough!" they're considered "terrorists." [/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=Laferio;33228771]Move on? How can you tell some kid to move on when his father died in 9/11.[/QUOTE]
The same way you tell a kid to move on if his father died of any other cause.
I see nothing wrong with it, I just find it dumb that some people make it seem more important than it is, like those "What were you doing when 9/11 happened?" questions. I recall some site that had a list of "10 best post-9/11 albums", that is just silly.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;33227782]Same reason we mourn WW1, even though its almost 100 years since it began. To learn from the mistakes of the past.[/QUOTE]
Our mistake was a shit foreign policy that bothered any nation we didn't like doing things their own way. Oh way, that just got worse after 9/11.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;33228109]This
i don't understand how 9/11 isn't like a day off for at least new york.[/QUOTE]
No one, not even in NYC, gets "a day off" on 9/11 because it's to show we're "still going at it and not beaten".
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;33228168]because we as americans considered it not only a terrible act of terrorism and a day that thousands of people died, but also an event that shattered our false preconceptions of invulnerability.[/QUOTE]
Not fully, sadly.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33228663]Because it happened in America and America likes to make a big deal about things that happen.[/QUOTE]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA[/MEDIA]
Yes, because this is completely meaningless.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33228835]I'm sorry to say, but if America had minded its own business, 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Unlike many people blinded by patriotic bullshit, I see the point they were trying to make, they just went about doing it the wrong way.
Let me get this straight. We can invade other countries, rape them of their resources, and that's fine, but the minute someone finally says, "Enough is enough!" they're considered "terrorists." While I never agree with killing innocents, 9/11 happened because the U.S. was occupying areas of the Middle East. Not because terrorists "hate our freedom", not because they're "jealous" (yes, there are people who said they were jealous).
Does that excuse the deaths of over 3000 people, of course not. Those people died doing their day to day routine, not hurting anyone. WTC was chosen because of its strategic business importance. Thousands of successful companies including banks were run out of the complex, and there is one thing Americans cannot live without: Money. In all honesty, it was smart of Bin Laden to attack WTC. Drop a key financial district, kill 3000 people in the process, and completely cripple American's sense of arrogance (for at least a few weeks), I'd say it'd be a success except for that whole "retaliation" thing.
Anyway, 10 years ago the world changed forever. For 10 years, we've been at war, a senseless war. That doesn't mean we simply ignore things and ignore the people who die for us. While the men in suites get to dictate whatever happens, the men in uniform are simply doing their jobs that none of us spineless forum-dwellers ever could. I don't care if your British, American, Canadian, German, etc. It's a global war, everyone suffers. Saying to simply "forget" about 3000 deaths is a bit much to ask. Hell, people are still mourning over Pearl Harbor, and that was nearly 80 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Well not only did we occupy the middle east but we also threw the Quran into a toilet, which REALLY pissed off the muslim extremists. And who can blame them, I mean that's their God in an essence. America is just braindead sometimes.
[QUOTE=Alpha 1-1;33227754]This may be heartless, but there's just something I don't get here. I don't know if I have some sort of mental issues, but I just cannot conceive why it is that people mourn 9/11 still. I understand, yes, tons of people died. By the same token, we only really talk about 9/11. I don't really remember anyone telling me in school that today was the anniversary of the holocaust, or anything related to what atrocities Stalin committed. I know it might be cruel, but am I the only one that thinks we really need to shut up and move on? It's been 10 freakin years guys, I'm fairly sure human nature makes us forget about these things. I've never had any loss in my life, and I'm only 14. So maybe that's it. So I ask you, am I the only one out there?
(Btw, I didn't feel this was worthy of mass debate, but if a mod thinks it is, by all means, move it.)[/QUOTE]
Today isn't 9/11 remembrance day or anything related to that. Today is veterans day..
On the topic of 9/11 yeah it happened 10 years ago but it was a big deal. It was one of the first successful and major terrorist attacks from an outside force. That event changed much of the united states when it comes to forging policies, policing, and various other laws. It does not take a genius to understand that.
We've always remembered a lot of events like this that the loss of life was huge, pearl harbor, etc.
Just because it happened 10 years ago does not mean anything, so stop being so thick. In that case (In your mentality) we shouldn't remember D-day, when the first atom bomb was dropped because it happened a long time ago.
Something that can be why is because some people may not get over it because they lost someone close to them, that is more than enough a good reason to keep mourning, however I don't see why basically the whole country (America) does it still
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[QUOTE=umx48;33228481]Because, you're probably a 13-20 year old. You were still in pre-school-4th grade when you were told. You had no idea what was going on, how serious it was. You've grown up in an atmosphere of hatred and war, not one that physically affects you, but it affects countries your government interacts with.
It's the same reason your father doesn't mourn WWII, but your grandfather does.[/QUOTE]
This exactly. I was 7 or 8 years old, in 2nd grade when a teacher came into the classroom and turned on a TV in the courner. I can't feel much connection to it because I didn't understand much of the "death" concept or such back then.
Because if we sustain and embrace the hate and sadness inside us eternally, we will be more accepting towards invading more middle-eastern countries.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
Because it's important that we remember it.
If you don't learn form the past you will repeat the same mistake in the future.
Ninja right above me, but he has a quote...
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[QUOTE=Falchion;33231106]Because if we sustain and embrace the hate and sadness inside us eternally, we will be more accepting towards invading more middle-eastern countries.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe it's because it's kind of important to remember that innocent fucking peopled died for no good reason and learning from our mistakes that caused it.
It is understandable that people directly affected by it would still be mourning now i.e. those who had friends and family who died. My theory is that everyone else is just doing what they've been conditioned to do and embracing the event as a justification for the wonderful successful "war on 'terror'" and their narrow world views.
I get why you want to remember it, but you guys make such a big deal out of it every year. And so does the rest of the world. It's world news two months before 9/11. I just get sick and bloody tired of hearing about it for two months straight that by the time it is 9/11 I'm so fed up with it that I can't even feel any sympathy any more.
That and I mourn for a very different reason. I mourn because it was the day it started to go down hill with my freedom, the day governments all over the world lost respect for their citizens and got so scared that they let all this shit pass that should never have happened. I'm sure Terrorists all over the world are still laughing their ass off over what happened to freedom of speech and things like that.
I don't think it's meaningless or not sad, and yes, it is tragic, but i am getting [I]really[/I] tired of hearing about it
[QUOTE=The one that is;33231170]
Or maybe it's because it's kind of important to remember that innocent fucking peopled died for no good reason and [B]learning from our mistakes[/B] that caused it.[/QUOTE]
How are those drones doing in Somalia by the way?
As long as the U.S is still fucking with people something such as this will almost certainly happen again.
Because The damage is still there. Those two towers, will not be erected again. some people lost loved ones who were in the tower, Today people are still losing love ones because they were a part of the first response team.
There that sums it up. Its been 10 years and people are still affected by it.
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[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33233406]How are those drones doing in Somalia by the way?
As long as the U.S is still fucking with people something such as this will almost certainly happen again.[/QUOTE]
Cant agree more. I mean, I like America and all but we really need to learn where not to stick out noses.
[QUOTE=SnowCanary;33230750][MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA[/MEDIA]
Yes, because this is completely meaningless.[/QUOTE]
:( Welp, now my day is shitty.
9/11 is not being mourned. It's being remembered. There's nothing wrong with remembering the day that forever changed the world. Whether you'd like to admit it or not, this seemingly "american only problem" has a rippling effect and you'd have to be quite naive to think it doesn't and should be forgotten. America never "had it coming", with that mentality that's assuming then that they deserved such an attack and that those responsible were in the right. It doesn't matter what America would do because if you're the top dog, there's going to be plenty to challenge that position so it wouldn't matter either way. "Would've, should've, could've" doesn't make a compelling argument.
You think America is the only country that meddles in other country's affairs for their own agenda? That's not what the modern world is about.
How can we "forget" something that most of us have grown up with? You can't. It's embedded into us. Most if not all families have "gotten over it". Many of grown through it and have moved on with their lives. Many have created new families, remarried etc. Nobody mourns it today. They remember it like we remember today (Veteran's/Remembrance Day) and there's nothing wrong with that.
Of course, the OP is 14, he's much too young to truly comprehend or understand the global impact that it had or to even understand why it's even a big deal beyond FP's radical anti-american, "forget about it" rhetoric.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33233777]FP's radical anti-american, "forget about it" rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
Let's not get into generalizations here.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33233777]9/11 is not being mourned. It's being remembered. There's nothing wrong with remembering the day that forever changed the world. Whether you'd like to admit it or not, this seemingly "american only problem" has a rippling effect and you'd have to be quite naive to think it doesn't and should be forgotten. America never "had it coming", with that mentality that's assuming then that they deserved such an attack and that those responsible were in the right. It doesn't matter what America would do because if you're the top dog, there's going to be plenty to challenge that position so it wouldn't matter either way. "Would've, should've, could've" doesn't make a compelling argument.
You think America is the only country that meddles in other country's affairs for their own agenda? That's not what the modern world is about.
How can we "forget" something that most of us have grown up with? You can't. It's embedded into us. Most if not all families have "gotten over it". Many of grown through it and have moved on with their lives. Many have created new families, remarried etc. Nobody mourns it today. They remember it like we remember today (Veteran's/Remembrance Day) and there's nothing wrong with that.
[B]
Of course, the OP is 14, he's much too young to truly comprehend or understand the global impact that it had or to even understand why it's even a big deal beyond FP's radical anti-american, "forget about it" rhetoric.[/B][/QUOTE]
How the fuck does this factor into the argument?
For all you know, his mental capacity could be triple yours.
[QUOTE=Sickle;33233825]How the fuck does this factor into the argument?
For all you know, his mental capacity could be triple yours.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnAYgNnA5A0[/media]
You can suck my salty balls mr x.
[QUOTE=Sickle;33233825]How the fuck does this factor into the argument?
For all you know, his mental capacity could be triple yours.[/QUOTE]
Well it is a factor because he wasn't even old enough to understand or witness the event.
He hardly even understands the world around him and the effect. It does not mean he is stupid, he is just young and has not covered that subject yet or can comprehend what happend. Plus his OP really shows the ignorance and on top of that he brought his age in to the argument himself therefor it is apart of the argument.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233796]Let's not get into generalizations here.[/QUOTE]
Well, to clarify, I'm mainly referring to FP's mentality within 9/11 threads. It's a very common one too.
[QUOTE=Sickle;33233825]How the fuck does this factor into the argument?
For all you know, his mental capacity could be triple yours.[/QUOTE]
He said so himself that he doesn't know. I'm saying that because he's so young, he obviously doesn't understand the significance hence why this thread was being made in the first place, correct?
MR-X got it.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33233930]Well, to clarify, I'm mainly referring to FP's mentality within 9/11 threads. It's a very common one too.[/QUOTE]
I would say we need to "get over it" in the sense that there should not be a news catastrophe when someone tries to build a mosque in New York. In terms of remembrance, just have it be like any other day that's similar, December 7th and November 11th are good examples.
What a lot of the younger guys don't get is 9/11 still lives in a lot of peoples hearts. On September 11th I went to a brief to discuss terrorism today and how it affects the corps (As well as the crips having it out for marines). They showed a video of the events on 9/11, and everyone in that room was either teary eyed or angry. I lost 2 friends that day, and countless more in the war that ensued. I suppose it effects those more who were directly affected by it, but never the less when I see those videos and the grave stones of my friends I feel exactly the same as I did back in 01'.
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