• 9/11: Why are we still mourning?
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As much as I agree America should stick to its own business and do it's own thing, we need to remember something like this. This event was among the top 5 in modern day's history classes, along with WWII, Stalin, Pearl Harbor, and other subjects. It's something that affected an entire COUNTRY that day. And depending on your outlook, it could have even affected the entire WORLD. So yeah, its just like how I learned about WWII every year from 5th to 10th grade. It was a major event and pure genocide. That's just like 9/11. We aren't ALL mourning, so much as remembering. You guys are basically saying we should forget about WWII, Pearl Harbor, Columbine shootings, and all that. It's what made us who we are. It's like remembering your birthday. You are celebrating a major event in your life when you were brought into the world. AKA you shouldn't have a birthday I guess, since people should get over the fact you were once born. My great grandpa was in WWII and my aunt was on a plane to NY when 9/11 happened. You can't even bring the subject up to her, or she starts bawling.
I thought 9/11 was an awesome movie when it happened. I sat there watching CNN waiting for the movie to stop with the news interlude thing.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33233930] He said so himself that he doesn't know. I'm saying that because he's so young, he obviously doesn't understand the significance hence why this thread was being made in the first place, correct? [/QUOTE] All in all, it's not very significant to most people apart from those who knew/were related to people who died and those emergency workers who suffer health problems. (Though I suppose it was used to justify a lot of even more reprehensible actions) It was terrible, but millions of people have died since due to starvation and wars. No one seems to give a shit when they're brown people who are dying, I doubt you really do either so I'd suggest you get off your high-horse. If it directly affected you, fair enough but if not move on and look at things that are currently happening.
Jesus. If you lost your Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister or anyone that was special to you on 9/11, you wouldn't have even posted this. You don't understand because it didn't happen to you, nor did it happen to me. But just let it be. You can't control how people feel and they don't really need to feel bad for being upset about a loss of a loved one. One day out of 365 for one of the most tragic events in US history? If you don't like it, ignore it. Like everyone else has said, no one is forcing you to "mourn". Edit: Please, shut up about starving kids in Africa. It seems like that's always brought up when anyone speaks about someone else being killed. We know they're dying too, but what about the suicide rate? What about school shootings, war, poverty? You can't stop everything from happening. As far as I know, there are thousands of missionaries that go to countries all around the world to help people in poverty.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;33237339] Edit: Please, shut up about starving kids in Africa. It seems like that's always brought up when anyone speaks about someone else being killed. We know they're dying too, but what about the suicide rate? What about school shootings, war, poverty? You can't stop everything from happening. As far as I know, there are thousands of missionaries that go to countries all around the world to help people in poverty.[/QUOTE] It's not just Africa, I know you can't stop everything from happening but I think it's fair to say no government is really giving anything more than a token amount. There are missionaries around the world but despite their good intentions they just don't have the power or resources to make any appreciable difference.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33237492]It's not just Africa, I know you can't stop everything from happening but I think it's fair to say no government is really giving anything more than a token amount. There are missionaries around the world but despite their good intentions they just don't have the power or resources to make any appreciable difference.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they can't make an incredibly huge impact, but they're doing what they can about it. My step-brother was a missionary that went to Africa. It's a crazy place and he even got Malaria there. All I'm saying is that we aren't doing absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33237307]All in all, it's not very significant to most people apart from those who knew/were related to people who died and those emergency workers who suffer health problems. (Though I suppose it was used to justify a lot of even more reprehensible actions) It was terrible, but millions of people have died since due to starvation and wars. No one seems to give a shit when they're brown people who are dying, I doubt you really do either so I'd suggest you get off your high-horse. If it directly affected you, fair enough but if not move on and look at things that are currently happening.[/QUOTE] Wow, what? Did you just totally ignore the rest of my post? I guess you'll fall in with one of the more naive people I just mentioned in it because that's just down right wrong. Maybe in your small town Irish village it isn't a big deal but back in the real world, 9/11 matters. Those that lost relatives have the right to mourn, those that didn't lose any relatives have the right to remember. Just because people choose to remember, doesn't mean they haven't moved on. Nobody shoves it down anybody's throat and this year, where I'm living right now, nobody even really talked about it. In fact, it really isn't that big deal because people are doing what I've said most are doing anyway; remembering it. People have moved on...(blah blah, I said this in my post already) You know, the same way most look at veteran's and remembrance day. Do you tell that to people on remembrance day as well? Christ, September 11 has long past and you act like as some how people are out of touch with what's happening now. You're right about one thing though, more people died in wars than in the twin towers. Especially this modern war which was, surprise, the by product of 9/11. But I guess that's not worth remembering either right? So fuck you for trying to tell me who I "give a shit about". Those "brown people" are human beings too, nobody's glorifying shit. Your bullshit self-righteous attitude is disgusting. You want to go make a big deal over starving people in Africa and death in war? Go make a thread about it then.
I don't think you're enough specific when you use the word "we".
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33238505]Wow, what? Did you just totally ignore the rest of my post? I guess you'll fall in with one of the more naive people I just mentioned in it because that's just down right wrong. Maybe in your small town Irish village it isn't a big deal but back in the real world, 9/11 matters. Those that lost relatives have the right to mourn, those that didn't lose any relatives have the right to remember. Just because people choose to remember, doesn't mean they haven't moved on. Nobody shoves it down anybody's throat and this year, where I'm living right now, nobody even really talked about it. In fact, it really isn't that big deal because people are doing what I've said most are doing anyway; remembering it. People have moved on...(blah blah, I said this in my post already) You know, the same way most look at veteran's and remembrance day. Do you tell that to people on remembrance day as well? Christ, September 11 has long past and you act like as some how people are out of touch with what's happening now. You're right about one thing though, more people died in wars than in the twin towers. Especially this modern war which was, surprise, the by product of 9/11. But I guess that's not worth remembering either right? So fuck you for trying to tell me who I "give a shit about". Those "brown people" are human beings too, nobody's glorifying shit. Your bullshit self-righteous attitude is disgusting. You want to go make a big deal over starving people in Africa and death in war? Go make a thread about it then.[/QUOTE] First of all, I don't live in a "small-town village", though that's somewhat irrelevant (By the way why would that not qualify as "the real world"?) nor did I say that 9/11 shouldn't be remembered, I said that people don't remember or even think about all the people who have died since. I never said that people didn't have the right to mourn or remember, I was just pointing out that people still discussing the death of 3,000 people ten years ago is peculiar when you consider the countless tragedies that have occurred since then, and those that are ongoing. I also mentioned the after-effects of 9/11 in the post you quoted, look for the brackets. I know that "brown people" are humans too, that was my whole point, Why aren't they remembered 10 years on? Do you mark every famine and civil war on your calender to remember? I sure as shit don't and I don't really expect many people do I was just trying to highlight the lack of remembrance for those people. And if you must know why I took a "bullshit self-righteous attitude" it was because you dismissed the OP as not understanding the significance of what happened on 9/11 due to his age, If you can't take such comments perhaps you shouldn't dish them out. By the way this thread is called "9/11: Why are we still mourning?", I'm just saying we shouldn't be or we should place the same significance when things happen outside the western world.
[QUOTE=Trail Mix;33236807]Look at me, so edgy and cool making jokes about the loss of many innocent peoples lives, next I'll make Holocaust jokes and make fun of the London bus and train bombings. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33238949] And if you must know why I took a "bullshit self-righteous attitude" it was because you dismissed the OP as not understanding the significance of what happened on 9/11 due to his age, If you can't take such comments perhaps you shouldn't dish them out. By the way this thread is called "9/11: Why are we still mourning?", I'm just saying we shouldn't be or we should place the same significance when things happen outside the western world.[/QUOTE] And I'm saying that it's significance is far beyond just the western world whether we'll admit it or not. That's the point. I personally think it's a pretty narrow minded view if people determine an incident's significance based on death toll alone. Ignoring or down-playing 9/11 in light of other tragic events doesn't degrade it's importance. This is how I see your problems regarding famines and other conflicts: unless it has a global impact on us ('us' as in the world in this case), don't expect much response. That's a cold fact I think. OP's age does play a role in the argument. As MR-X has already summed up: [QUOTE=MR-X;33233892]Well it is a factor because he wasn't even old enough to understand or witness the event. He hardly even understands the world around him and the effect. It does not mean he is stupid, he is just young and has not covered that subject yet or can comprehend what happend. Plus his OP really shows the ignorance and on top of that he brought his age in to the argument himself therefor it is apart of the argument.[/QUOTE] Look, I'm not trying to say your wrong or stupid or anything like that but I think it's better to be a little more understanding. You're entitled to your opinion and the world will continue to spin, nothing we can really do about that.
Crying about it isn't going to suddenly rewind time and fix 9/11, A lot of good people died for no reason and that sucks but you don't need to defend the people that died, That wont accomplish anything. They wont be offended if someone tells a 9/11 joke, They're dead. If you lost a loved one on 9/11 that sucks, But I don't think that loved one would want you being all miserable and mopey for 10 years.
[QUOTE=heathendevil;33228359]saying that it's not important because it didn't affect you is retarded. also, most of you were all probably too young when it happened for you to fully appreciate what 9/11 actually was.[/QUOTE] I appreciate 9/11 fully.
Want to know something? We don't mourn 9/11 anymore. In my English Class, all semester, we've analyzed 9/11 articles, and books, and movies. (Someone out there might remember me talking about this in another thread) But what we've discovered from reading about 9/11 is that America is an extremely fast-paced country that likes to move on. We tend to forget about things that happen in America almost as quickly as it happened and that's the truth about us as a nation. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but we don't think about what happened on 9/11 unless it's coming up soon or actually the day of the remembrance. We are a very individualistic nation and don't tend to stay in one spot for long, whether it be with trends, music, or any other tragedies as well. Though you might think we're still mourning 9/11, we really only do it one day out of the year, and other than that, we never really think about it all that much. This is one of the pictures that was used in an essay discussing how, as a nation, we tend to move on. This picture was used out of context in the essay, but it demonstrates America, even as the towers were burning down, there were people still enjoying a nice afternoon in the park, not paying much attention to what was happening. (In reality, the people were actually stopping their bike ride to discuss the tragedy that was then occurring.) [img]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2006/09/1_123125_122966_2145295_060911_magnumthoepker.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg[/img] Essay reference: [url]http://thecommons4change.blogspot.com/2006/09/frank-rich-whatever-happened-to.html[/url]
I don't see how you can ask that question OP. It was a major event in history that, believe it or not, changed America greatly. Should we forget all the other major events in history that changed a country or even the world? The reason we still hear about it more often because it's been only 10 years since the attack but according to you 10 "freaking years" is enough. Do you think peopled that experienced the Civil War stopped remembering the anniversary of the end of the civil war in 10 freaking years? No people still remembered it because it was in their life time. In maybe 1 or 2 generations 9/11 will be less remembered but surely never forgotten.
It is remembered in the UK as well. Most channel's mainly the BBC will have programs talking about the event and individuals telling their experiences. The was also a program on the "9/11 conspiracy"
What happened on the 9th of november?
In Britain people still mourn Princess Diana, one person who died way before 9/11, now that's pathetic.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33239564]And I'm saying that it's significance is far beyond just the western world whether we'll admit it or not. That's the point. I personally think it's a pretty narrow minded view if people determine an incident's significance based on death toll alone. Ignoring or down-playing 9/11 in light of other tragic events doesn't degrade it's importance. This is how I see your problems regarding famines and other conflicts: unless it has a global impact on us ('us' as in the world in this case), don't expect much response. That's a cold fact I think. [/QUOTE] I wasn't trying to ignore or down-play the significance of 9/11, I was trying to point out that people aren't as quick to remember or mark other events. My point was exactly as you say, people don't care if it doesn't affect them in some way. So I think that a lot of the general outrage experienced over 9/11 was somewhat insincere and self-serving as it wouldn't have occurred if the same thing happened somewhere else and had no far-reaching effects. [QUOTE=Jim_Riley;33239564] Look, I'm not trying to say your wrong or stupid or anything like that but I think it's better to be a little more understanding. You're entitled to your opinion and the world will continue to spin, nothing we can really do about that.[/QUOTE] I find it hard to understand that people can be so passionate about the death of 3000 people and not give a second thought to the millions of others who die avoidable deaths on a regular basis. In fact the more I think about and understand it, the more repulsive the notion is, even insulting to those who are just forgotten. The only reason I'm bring this up is due to the topic of the thread, I don't just stop people in the street and start arguing with them. [QUOTE=Chubbles;33240178]Want to know something? We don't mourn 9/11 anymore. In my English Class, all semester, we've analyzed 9/11 articles, and books, and movies.[/QUOTE] I think the fact that you spent a semester analysing materials relating to 9/11 shows that everyone in America hasn't quite moved on.
if this happened in any other country no one would give a shit, but if it happens to america its a world issue
I lived in California when 9/11 occurred, and I was very young at the time, so I felt similarly to the OP. However, when I was 15 I moved to NY, just outside of the city. Now I go to university in the city. I have friends who lost family members in the attacks, and commuting back and forth through NYC has given me an understanding of the absolute terror it would have been to see these towers come down; to see before your eyes the lives lost. Last time I was by Ground Zero in Wall St, I nearly broke down in tears. If you could see the sheer scale of the space that was destroyed by the attacks, it would be difficult to not find it horrific. The pandemonium and confusion of the day becomes all the more apparent and real in this setting. What happened was truly horrific, and deserves remembrance in respect for the men and women who innocently died, as well as the firefighters and emergency responders who lost their lives in the attacks.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33244452] I think the fact that you spent a semester analysing materials relating to 9/11 shows that everyone in America hasn't quite moved on.[/QUOTE] Tou-fucking-ché.
Who said I was mourning :frog:
[QUOTE=Alpha 1-1;33227754]This may be heartless, but there's just something I don't get here. I don't know if I have some sort of mental issues, but I just cannot conceive why it is that people mourn 9/11 still. I understand, yes, tons of people died. By the same token, we only really talk about 9/11. I don't really remember anyone telling me in school that today was the anniversary of the holocaust, or anything related to what atrocities Stalin committed. I know it might be cruel, but am I the only one that thinks we really need to shut up and move on? It's been 10 freakin years guys, I'm fairly sure human nature makes us forget about these things. I've never had any loss in my life, and I'm only 14. So maybe that's it. So I ask you, am I the only one out there? (Btw, I didn't feel this was worthy of mass debate, but if a mod thinks it is, by all means, move it.)[/QUOTE] Because it's essentially the national tragedy of the US. Whenyou think about it, the US has historically gone more or less trough only two national tragedies that were inflicted by a a second party. Pearl Harbour and 9/11. The majority was either fairly small, too distant or a combination thereoff. Essentially the losses the US suffered in all it's wars weren't anything too large. Secondly virtually no wars happened directly on the US soil that weren't caused by US citizens (or something like them). Compared to that, most of the world has somewhat more sizeable tragedies to compare this to. War happened directly on the land of the nations, they went trough very tough times and other issues. A small extra tidbit I guess - I find that americans tend to love dramatics, they love to get deeply emotional about certain issues, as a result tend to dredge some national tragedies around for a whole lot longer than almost anyone else. Add to this a very strong nationalistic spirit people in the US exhibit you get a situation where people take these two national tragedies extremely personally. Just remember all those facebook comments about the Tsunami in Japan and how it was payback for Pearl Harbour. And a small bit towards the OP. You're only 14, which made you something like 3-4 when the thing itself happened. It had absolutely no impact on you from a standpoint of the quality of life, as a result you feel completely no connection to the issue at hand.
[QUOTE=slippp22;33245014]if this happened in any other country no one would give a shit, but if it happens to america its a world issue[/QUOTE] The London bombings, I still give a shit about. Take your anti-american bullshit bias somewhere else please.
9-11 was fucking hilarious.
[QUOTE=Painties Hose;33245233]Who said I was mourning :frog:[/QUOTE] -snip- Thought you were OP for just a second. Ignore my dumb rating. [editline]12th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=bucket_face;33245953]9-11 was fucking hilarious.[/QUOTE] You're on the internet, shut the fuck up. Get off your sweaty ass and out of your computer chair, bathe, then come out into the real world and say that. That comment just shows the amount of immaturity you really have and just makes you look like a complete dumbass. As much as I've learned, that'll get you nowhere in life.
9/11 would not be as big if it happened in a other country. america media can make that something like "a person dropping a cupcake" into the biggest disaster day of the decade. I mean, there been far more horrible things happen then 9/11, before and after. yes, its sad and i respect all the families who lost cuz of it, but mayby. JUST MAYBY, we should just carry on.
If you had someone that died then, this thread title would probably be reversed.
I don't know if anyone has brought this point up but: There have been events much more grave than 9/11 - but don't recieve 1/10th the attention that 9/11. Remember the Hutus slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Tutsis in Rwanda in 1994? The UN didn't even want to believe there was a very real genocide going on. But once it happens closer to home in a comparitevely mild attack suddenly theres a big song and dance about it. I'm not saying the amount of mourning concering 9/11 is undeserved - i just think it's awful that the western approach to external affairs might just be 'push under the rug'. [QUOTE=PowerBall v1;33247229]9/11 would not be as big if it happened in a other country. america media can make that something like "a person dropping a cupcake" into the biggest disaster day of the decade. I mean, there been far more horrible things happen then 9/11, before and after. yes, its sad and i respect all the families who lost cuz of it, but mayby. JUST MAYBY, we should just carry on.[/QUOTE] tl;dr this
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