[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;33262573]Why should you care if the US media is "milking it"? You're from the Netherlands, noones forcing you to watch american news channels, read american newspapers, or watch 9/11 remembrance videos.[/QUOTE]
Fucking exactly this, I live in the Netherlands, I don't want your bullshit in my news, but because it's about the US, of course it'll be all over the news here.
[QUOTE=SnowCanary;33230750][MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA[/MEDIA]
Yes, because this is completely meaningless.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, that just ruined my entire day.
[QUOTE=masonrulz;33266656]Jesus, that just ruined my entire day.[/QUOTE]
Here this will cheer you up.
[video=youtube;2_QEvbybH1E][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu7GMMIfvoo&feature=channel_video_title[/URL][/video]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33263608]Fucking exactly this, I live in the Netherlands, I don't want your bullshit in my news, but because it's about the US, of course it'll be all over the news here.[/QUOTE]
Then blame your fucking news outlet! Your bitching about it because its in the news? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! I have seen some incredibly stupid shit on Facepunch but that just takes the fucking cake.
I hate that Sweden's Media is a fucking suck up for US, every time its the 9/11-never forget bullshit its all over the channels with stupid ass documentaries and everything is so overly serious.
R.I.P. people who lost their lives in the attack, but the amount of bullshit that spawned from this is just dumb.
Just a friendly reminder that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War]western forces have caused between [b]1 and [i]40[/i][/b] 9/11's [IMG]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/kalamari13/emot-siren.gif[/IMG]daily[IMG]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/kalamari13/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] in Iraq and Afghanistan since the war has began[/url]
We have effectively dropped the equivalent of 10 Hiroshima nuclear bombs since the war has began.
1/6th of the holocaust in civilian death totals.
In a region with amongst the highest poverty rates in the world. In an illegal war which originally began to "rid Iraq of Weapons of Mass Destruction", which inevitably was entirely a lie. We spend at the least 2 trillion dollars yearly to bomb malnourished women, children, and families who don't even have access to any of the necessities we take for granted in the West, such as electricity. The "terrorists" who attack us there are nothing more than angry and confused farmers and teenagers who were brought up to hate the US by local propaganda and local word-of-mouth, the only real form of currency is in the form of the poppy, which western forces continue to destroy and look down upon. The Taliban, unfortunately, is the only way these poor people can earn any form of income to keep their families alive. It's a tragic cycle of brainwash, family members being killed just by trying to maintain meager incomes, anger and confusion.
We randomly come there with our alien armor and lazer weaponry against modern cave men in a region which was just regaining its breath after a previous war there has ended. Our media tells you our invasion is justified, that the reason we are invading them will prevent any 9/11-like-events, on our privileged western soil, to happen again. The men behind 9/11 are in no way related to the Afghanistan apart from the fact that they may have been born there, they trained in Pakistan and in US schools, some of them even had American families. Iraq was a pointless charade because the Bush administration lied about there being Nukes there and that Saddam Hussein was a bad person, in-fact, Iraqis were experiencing a better life under Saddam than they are now, another negative side effect from what we have done.
I hate to rant about this, but wasting 2 trillion dollars every year on military adventures and toys just bombing sand-peasants on the other side of the world, rather than using the money to fix the US's (worlds) rotting economy and political practices just pisses me off.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33263608]Fucking exactly this, I live in the Netherlands, I don't want your bullshit in my news, but because it's about the US, of course it'll be all over the news here.[/QUOTE]
Tell ya bloody new's companies to stop then. We never asked for some person in the Netherlands to tell us how to run our lives in the US. Let people mourn, bloody better then sitting behind a fucking monitor ranting against it.
[editline]14th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shotacon;33269922]wall o text[/QUOTE]
It's war my friend, war will never change. Eventually we'll just kill ourselves by throwing atomic bombs willy nilly at eachother. Sad, but thats where our species is going.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;33251038]Another English-speaking, almost identical developed country isn't a very good example.[/QUOTE]
It's a very good example because it shows how biased and bullshit american media is.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33270886]It's a very good example because it shows how biased and bullshit american media is.[/QUOTE]
Let me repeat what I said, we never asked Fox News to go and act as if the world was ending. It's just how they are. Why the fuck is a british person giving 5 fucks about our media? Stick to your media and we'll deal with our shitty excuse of a news company that is Fox News.
They don't mourn, they celebrate.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;33270912]Let me repeat what I said, we never asked Fox News to go and act as if the world was ending. It's just how they are. Why the fuck is a british person giving 5 fucks about our media? Stick to your media and we'll deal with our shitty excuse of a news company that is Fox News.[/QUOTE]
Media spreads by news people reading other countries news and grabbing good stuff from it, and because of the whole "end of the world"-stuff it caused havoc.
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;33271147]They don't mourn, they celebrate.[/QUOTE]
Now who told you this? Last time I checked, NYC was crowded with out of state folk to visit the WTC area.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33270886]It's a very good example because it shows how biased and bullshit american media is.[/QUOTE]
How is reporting the destruction of two massive buildings caused by three planes, resulting in 3,000 deaths, which nobody foresaw "biased"?
It's not bought up so much because it's overblown, it's bought up because it was a huge disaster that changed alot of stuff.
Why is everyone acting like just because it happened in America makes it a big issue? No ones asking any other country to mourn or anything like that.
A shitty thing happened and a lot of people died, it was sad, let us have our day.
[QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;33272562]Why is everyone acting like just because it happened in America makes it a big issue? No ones asking any other country to mourn or anything like that.
A shitty thing happened and a lot of people died, it was sad, let us have our day.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you mean, but there's still the fact several non-Americans were killed during the attacks aswell. That can't exactly be ignored.
I can't believe how selfish half you fucks are. 10 years is not that long, it's still our generation. "Can we get a day off", I can't even believe you guys would say that, seriously, grow up. It was a huge moment in our history and is very recent. We don't mourn Pearl Harbor because that was 70 fucking years ago. I bet they remembered it 10 years from when it happened too, but would you guys know? No, because you are 12.
Jesus Christ, some people. Sorry, this is a sore spot, but seriously, I don't think a lot of people on this forum are old enough to actually understand its implications. And foreign people love to poke fun at it too, which is way different. Whatever, we Americans won the revolution, take that Brits ;)
[QUOTE=Shotacon;33269922]Just a friendly reminder that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War]western forces have caused between [b]1 and [i]40[/i][/b] 9/11's [IMG]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/kalamari13/emot-siren.gif[/IMG]daily[IMG]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/kalamari13/emot-siren.gif[/IMG] in Iraq and Afghanistan since the war has began[/url]
We have effectively dropped the equivalent of 10 Hiroshima nuclear bombs since the war has began.
1/6th of the holocaust in civilian death totals.
In a region with amongst the highest poverty rates in the world. In an illegal war which originally began to "rid Iraq of Weapons of Mass Destruction", which inevitably was entirely a lie. We spend at the least 2 trillion dollars yearly to bomb malnourished women, children, and families who don't even have access to any of the necessities we take for granted in the West, such as electricity. The "terrorists" who attack us there are nothing more than angry and confused farmers and teenagers who were brought up to hate the US by local propaganda and local word-of-mouth, the only real form of currency is in the form of the poppy, which western forces continue to destroy and look down upon. The Taliban, unfortunately, is the only way these poor people can earn any form of income to keep their families alive. It's a tragic cycle of brainwash, family members being killed just by trying to maintain meager incomes, anger and confusion.
We randomly come there with our alien armor and lazer weaponry against modern cave men in a region which was just regaining its breath after a previous war there has ended. Our media tells you our invasion is justified, that the reason we are invading them will prevent any 9/11-like-events, on our privileged western soil, to happen again. The men behind 9/11 are in no way related to the Afghanistan apart from the fact that they may have been born there, they trained in Pakistan and in US schools, some of them even had American families. Iraq was a pointless charade because the Bush administration lied about there being Nukes there and that Saddam Hussein was a bad person, in-fact, Iraqis were experiencing a better life under Saddam than they are now, another negative side effect from what we have done.
I hate to rant about this, but wasting 2 trillion dollars every year on military adventures and toys just bombing sand-peasants on the other side of the world, rather than using the money to fix the US's (worlds) rotting economy and political practices just pisses me off.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like Iraqis and Afghans are sand people living in caves. Kabul and Baghdad are large cities with electricity and running water, you know.
[editline]14th November 2011[/editline]
And I don't remember anyone even hinting that Iraq had nuclear weapons. The "WMDs" were anything from nuclear dirty bombs (not nuclear explosives) to chemical and biological weapons which Iraq has already used in the past.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;33247229]9/11 would not be as big if it happened in a other country.[/QUOTE]
I don't even get why this is an argument, seriously guys stop whining about how if happened in America. I know I'd give just as much of a shit if it happened in Germany.
I distinctly remember everybody giving a shit when the Haiti earthquakes happened, the Fukushima disaster (which is still ongoing) or the shooting/bombings that happened in other countries (like London and recently Norway)
The fact that it's still in recent living memory and a huge number of people were affected might have something to do with it, @OP.
I remember a thread along these lines last year, I'll reiterate my point. Why do you CARE what people remember? Perhaps these events have more significance to other people than they do to you.
"we really need to shut up and move on? It's been 10 freakin years guys"
For fuck's sake, it's got absolutely nothing to do with you what people want to spend their time thinking about.
Also, what the hell are you on about. You make it sound like some sort of competition to see who we should remember the most given how many people died in one incident. More people died in WW2 than in WW1, so shall we forget about the first war? Having said that, by your logic that 9/11 was 10 years ago and therefore we should forget about that means we shouldn't bother remembering WW2 either.
Fuck it all, it didn't affect me. I'll just have a go at other people for not shutting up and moving on.
[QUOTE=Gprimeisback;33267507]Here this will cheer you up.
[video=youtube;2_QEvbybH1E][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu7GMMIfvoo&feature=channel_video_title[/URL][/video][/QUOTE]
Will you just stop posting?
We get it, worse things have happened in this world. But you're argument is basically "You are not allowed to feel bad about anything that isn't the worst thing ever"
Have you ever had a mother die? Or a brother? Or anyone close to you? Well guess what, you aren't allowed to feel bad because millions of people die from starvation and disease and if you feel bad about someone who isn't a million people like your mother then you will look like a giant asshole.
The same reason we mourn the deaths of the more than a million people that died during the Rwandan genocide
oh wait we don't
oh well carry on
We mourn it here in england, too. My parents hate muslims because they think they're all terrorists and all want to fly planes into us - jokes on them there are more muslims here than british people
[QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;33272562]Why is everyone acting like just because it happened in America makes it a big issue? No ones asking any other country to mourn or anything like that.
A shitty thing happened and a lot of people died, it was sad, let us have our day.[/QUOTE]
You don't even get a day off
I'm pretty sure that says it all
(senseless death being used as an every-use political rhetoric device)
[editline]17th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=wewt!;33275333]I don't even get why this is an argument, seriously guys stop whining about how if happened in America. I know I'd give just as much of a shit if it happened in Germany.
I distinctly remember everybody giving a shit when the Haiti earthquakes happened, the Fukushima disaster (which is still ongoing) or the shooting/bombings that happened in other countries (like London and recently Norway)[/QUOTE]
You mourn for Darfur?
That's surprising, not many do
[QUOTE=SnowCanary;33230750][MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOzSeu6sJA[/MEDIA]
Yes, because this is completely meaningless.[/QUOTE]
That poor one man
[editline]16th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Contag;33300369]The same reason we mourn the deaths of the more than a million people that died during the Rwandan genocide
oh wait we don't
oh well carry on[/QUOTE]
This.
At first I looked at the constant bombardment of this news as a mild annoyance, the remembrance videos, the family over there talking about it to me on the phone, and of course the forum topics. I was pretty much under the "look, worse things have happened even more recently, please stop reminding me I know what happened"
But then I started thinking about the whole subject and the event itself, and came to the conclusion that it's a pretty damn important event. Firstly the death toll is almost 3,000 people in a single attack (not a natural disaster, but a physical attack on civilians) It wiped out a famous and iconic building from the New York skyline, a building that as a kid I always wanted to see. It also caused millions of dollars in damage. There is also the person tragedy that a lot of people here are talking about, not being cold here but its not what makes this disaster so important, there's always personal tragedy when there's a loss of life.
As I see it 9/11 heralded a new age in how I seen America and how some Americans seen me. In July 2001 I went to America to visit my relatives in Cleveland Ohio, it was wonderful. I seen the sites and met the people they were friendly and really polite, there was a real happy atmosphere through the whole experience. Now fast-forward to 2009 I visited again, it was a different country altogether. Needless to say the experience with airport security was distasteful, my cousin who was a police officer was particularly critical of the staff and it's attitude. People seemed less inclined to talk or greet you. I seen how much Americans loved there country when I first went there, but now it was this strange aura of hostility mixed with blind patriotism "God bless America" and flags were pasted everywhere, it scarily reminded me of walking into the Falls or Shankhill road in the north, I honestly expected to see graffiti in lines with "NO SURRENDER" somewhere, also my American cousin had US military insignia in her school cafeteria (albeit at the time that looked cool).
I enjoyed the trip nonetheless but it did make me think, and that's why I think 9/11 is still being remembered, because it changed the country's image and attitude altogether.
When history books tell of how the Third World War began, this will be the considered the flick that got the dominos falling.
WTF! is this a trolls or something dumbs?
9/s11 was not even a GOOD day at all. i cries every time i thinks of it
sure maybes i was 2 when it happens when i moved to america but that doesnt means it DIDNT happen
how dare's you? you should be ashamed or even wrose..
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;33303555]When history books tell of how the Third World War began, this will be the considered the flick that got the dominos falling.[/QUOTE]
Doubtful. If there is a WW3 I don't think its going to be bred out of the "War on Terror." If there is a WW3 it will arise because of something China did
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg[/media]
Relevent. (Skip to 1:00)
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