• Why I am not proud to be an Australian.
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[QUOTE=Linkage;20170691]I would call it isolated simply from my on the ground experience here.[/QUOTE] Racism is everywhere here. Every five people I meet, one is racist. I suppose it's worse where I live, because it's 50/50 in regards to white/black people.
Maybe Australians are nicer in real life than on the internet? Except when they're lynching Arabs, anyway. Maybe all the internets censorship is for the best.
More like lynching Hindus... And yeah, lots of people are nice. It's just finding them.
Lynching Hindus.. Are you really Australian or are you just pulling our legs?
Part abbo here. Stop sucking up to black people, or they will eat you
Gtfo.
Why do we make these threads.
While I am fairly certain the OP must be trolling how the hell is he getting so many agrees? from non Australians? The Indigenous people of this country turned it into the barren wasteland it is today with their "firestick farming". If the Brits Hadn't turned up they would almost certainly be still covering each other in mud, throwing spears around and solving arguments with head butting competitions. Also why on earth should we adopt a "flag" of a culture that would never have had flag poles or as far as I know even the fabric to make a flag from? Also, John Howard as far as I am aware was the one who thought it was a stupid idea to apologise for stuff done over a hundred years ago, it was our catastrophic failure of our current Prime Minister Kevin Dudd who had that bright idea. (No doubt to win the hearts of minds of the ever gullible starry eyed students around here) Also I guess incoming ban for me from TH89 who seems to take offence at a little bit of truth that doesn't suit him?
[QUOTE=Linkage;20170739]Lynching Hindus.. Are you really Australian or are you just pulling our legs?[/QUOTE] If Indians aren't hindus, ignore that last comment. If they are, they're getting attacked and assaulted more and more.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;20170957]If Indians aren't hindus, ignore that last comment. If they are, they're getting attacked and assaulted more and more.[/QUOTE] And no white anglo's have been assaulted in the many years since Australia's founding? Of course not. Crime isn't on the rise anywhere else? Sometime ago now I remember hearing that some Indians were bashed by a pair of white guys. The Indians had thrown waterbombs full of piss and semen at the white guy's girlfriends. This of couse is racism. If someone mugs an Indian student, not based on race but based on a random act of crime, this is racism, apparently. Wake up, crime isn't just happening to Indians. And the reason it's increasing more and more as you say is primarily due to media coverage. Tensions are rising and I'm hardly surprised with Indian students marching the streets and chanting like we're picking them off on a daily basis.
Last I heard weren't the Indians getting in fights with the Lebanese? In which case I would hardly be surprised, a lot of the Lebanese youth in this country are by and large terrible. Hell even the Lebanese girls I know hate the behaviour of a lot of the Lebanese guys. It's shitty that any of it should happen, but you know what? Every time I go out what do I see? I don't see gangs of anglos picking on Indians or Asians? However what I do see every damn time I go into Sydney city at night is gangs of Lebanese/Arabs trying to start fights with anyone they can, and behaving in a generally disgusting manner toward females. Talk about racist hate crime, go talk to them.
[QUOTE=TH89;20170686]Well, there's always koalas. [editline]11:45AM[/editline] [IMG]http://www.stanford.edu/~jay/koalas/Koala450j.jpg[/IMG] Aww.[/QUOTE] Not to forget Barramundi! Nice nature too!
[QUOTE=TheGuru;20154710]I agree with you mostly, but we're past the racism towards the Indigenous people. It's just most of them aren't even trying to contribute to society. I hate our flag and national anthem as well. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] how is this racism, it's mostly true, not a derogatory view on a group of people [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - TH89))[/highlight]
I always wanted to live in Australia when I was older, but that is never going to happen with all of these BULLSHIT laws the government are implementing. Such as censorship etc
Yes, because it was so god damn easy on the colonists that travelled thousands of miles across the entire world to start a new colony in the wilderness. Honestly, your rant is extremely prejudiced, and deals in absolutes. The colonists were not coming here to go hunting Aborigine. You are writing as if it was a bloody military operation, and that is simply not correct. Your version of historical events is extremely inaccurate and based on extreme views. As for the Aborigines themselves, just think of the alternatives. The French were pretty close to claiming this continent, and there had been Dutch landings on it previously. Instead, the British Empire claimed it, an Empire that, for all its shortcomings, was actually a far more benevolent force than, say the autocratic Empires of France or Russia. You think that a regiment of Napoleon's army would have been more peaceful than a regiment like the New South Wales Corps? If Napoleon had inherited Australia, rather than King George, do you think matters would have been better? As for our flag, my mind is definite on this point. Australians have died under that flag through both world wars, the Korean war, Vietnam and now conflicts in the Middle East. That flag is symbolic of our nation, and is far more recognised than, say, the Aboriginal flag. And it represents something that nobody should be ashamed of. The Southern Cross, the Federation Star and the Union Jack. I think of the Union Jack in the corner as a symbol of a great friendship and historical bond. By saying you do not want to be part of the Commonwealth, you are saying you do not want to be part of a group of nations that are bonded in friendship. Why make such a pointless gesture as removing it, if it symbolises an important bond like that? Plus, changing to the Aboriginal flag is extremely prejudiced against everybody that is NOT Aboriginal. We were born on this continent, we are its citizens too. Why should we have a flag that does not even represent us, but instead represents what today is, in fact, a minority. Changing to a flag that deliberately excludes most of the Australian population is stupid, ridiculous and upsetting.
I hate my country more and more everyday. The Goverment is just fucking ignorantly stupid and incompetent. Our stupid racism is making us fucking notorious in other countries. Indians are scared of coming here now. And I don't mind Indians, they tend to be friendly. Our country has no fucking idea what a real issue is. We spend all this time trying to "fix the youth crisis" This isnt fucking Clockwork Orange. They really need to start fucking doing something about this racism, its getting fucking out of hand. And dont even get me fucking started on the internet censorship bullshit. It is probably the most ignorant descicion in the history of mankind. I want to move to a country whose government isnt full of paranoid fucking morons. Oh and the flag is fucking fine. Don't fix what isn't broken. Anyone who complains over the flag can go suck a cock. I don't care what it supposedly represents. It represents Australia as a whole, whatever the fuck that may be.
I'm telling you, it's the conservative religious people we have in parliament causing all these problems.
[QUOTE=Linkage;20171329]I'm telling you, it's the conservative religious people we have in parliament causing all these problems.[/QUOTE] I agree with this.
no racism intended but som of the towns i have seen it actually scares me i mean this one kid who was black at the age of 13 got drunk i feel sorry for them
Heard a story about some "patriot" who had a southern cross tattooed on one shoulder, and a swastika on the other. That's just not cool...
I never knew there where Aborigines in australia untill I was about 16, I was never taught about them and I had to find out on ray mears, I thought it was kind of cool to see these original native people, atleast they still have more than the native americans do. I do not understand the problem, do these Aborigines try to be different or are they not allowed into sosciety? what is the problem.
[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;20154645] The country had a Referendum, Choose separate from the Commonwealth or stay with them... He made the voting card himself and the yes vote was a 300 word long statement and the no vote was the same so people just chose the first one because they couldn't be bothered reading it, the vote came in "no" we stayed part of the Commonwealth. Afterwards newspapers around the country took votes and 75% said they want to be out of the commonwealth. [/QUOTE] What? People couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing, Yes was first so everyone voted Yes for seperation. But then the outcome was No. And 75% said they wanted out of the commonwealth. Are you saying it was rigged, or are you just trying to be confusing.
[QUOTE=Karbine;20171106]how is this racism, it's mostly true, not a derogatory view on a group of people [/QUOTE] FYI, I've made a deal with people in the RC--if they find me studies that show that most aborigines are unemployed or whatever their given claim is, I'll reduce their ban. For some reason, nobody has been able to come up with anything so far.
This so called racism, especially against Indians is absolute bullshit. The whole situation has been incredibly overblown by the media - and of course the average Joe who gets his factual information from Today Tonight is going to form a pretty stupid opinion. The Indian media is worse, though. Speaking to someone from India they say that over there it's making a fucking riot because it's been way overblown. It's shit over nothing, really. There was some Indian spokesperson talking a while ago saying how he's lived here for decades, that this is all bullshit, and how even though only a relatively small number of Indians are targets of violence - they still make up the majority of violence in the news simply because they bring race into it. A few Indians were victimised, yes - not because of their race but because they were in the wrong place in the wrong time. And now, whenever an Indian is involved, it's no longer 'a middle-aged man was assaulted', it's 'a middle-aged Indian man was assaulted', and somehow that makes it worse. Also Australia is pretty awesome. A few knobs in the government but we aren't exactly the first country to have this problem. [editline]09:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;20176901]FYI, I've made a deal with people in the RC--if they find me studies that show that most aborigines are unemployed or whatever their given claim is, I'll reduce their ban. For some reason, nobody has been able to come up with anything so far.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.workforceinfoservice.sa.gov.au/workforceinfo/participation/profiles/aboriginalprofile/unemploy[/url] If you Google 'Aboriginal Unemployment' you also get a lot of results regarding the issue, as well as papers dating back almost 20 years with plans of how to try and resolve it. People aren't being racist for the sake of being racist, it's a recognised issue.
[quote][B]rac&#8901;ism[/B] /&#712;re&#618;[IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/IMG]s&#618;z[IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/IMG]&#601;m/ [URL="http://dictionary1.classic.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html"][IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif[/IMG][/URL] Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uh[IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/IMG]m] [URL="http://dictionary1.classic.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html"][IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif[/IMG][/URL] Show IPA &#8211;noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.[/quote]Stereotypes are not racist TH89. Of course the guy that said that the Aboriginals evolved differently and are thus unintelligent is racist. The guys who say there are gangs of Aboriginals in the streets of his town is not. Does this mean that only Aboriginals are in gangs and violent? No. The fact is there are gangs of Aboriginals in his town that harass him and beat up his friends. Does this mean that violence is inherent among all Aboriginals because of race? No. Does this means he sees himself as superior? No. Factually in the United States blacks make up most of the prison population and commit more violent crime yet are only about 15% of the population. I'm not claiming whites are superior or that being black makes you criminal, it's just how it is in this country. It's the culture of the people and their circumstances. The people you banned are just pointing out how it is in Australia. There is a high rate of alcoholism among Native Americans and a high rate of alcoholism and use of inhalants among Aboriginals. This is a fact and I'm not saying being white is superior and Aboriginals are inferior just that in these particular areas, that's how it is. Why do you ban for racism when you don't even know what it is? Yes I know that they are all grouping Aboriginals in the same group and I'm grouping everyone is a same group too but that is really the only way to get the point across. Most stereotypes didn't become stereotypes because they were uncommon. EDIT: Just FYI, I'm not making any of these claims about Aboriginals myself, nor saying that the majority of the aforementioned groups are that way, just a large enough group to be noticed. Also, everything I said about Aboriginals is from the posters, not personal experience, except the alcoholism and inhalant use.
[quote]INDIGENOUS EMPLOYMENT FACT SHEET High Indigenous population growth since the 1990s requires employment, education, training and business initiatives to prevent rising unemployment rates among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. &#10146; The employment rate for Indigenous Australians is 40% compared to 57% for the total Australian population. &#10146; The median income for Indigenous Australians is $231 per week compared to $387 per week for non-Indigenous people. &#10146; 60% of Indigenous workers are full-time, compared to 72% for non-Indigenous. &#10146; The Indigenous working age population is forecast to grow by 28% between 1996 and 2006, compared to growth of 11.6% for the total Australian labour market. &#10146; To achieve employment equality with the rest of the Australian population, an additional 77,000 Indigenous people would have to be employed by 2006. &#10146; 20% of Indigenous workers are participating in the Community Development Employment Program (CDEP) scheme, based on welfare payments. &#10146; The Indigenous unemployment rate would exceed 40% – more than five times the national average – if CDEP participants were included in official statistics. &#10146; In the absence of the CDEP scheme, the unemployment rate for Indigenous people is forecast to rise to 48% by 2006 if current trends continue. &#10146; Two-thirds of the more than 32,000 workers in the CDEP scheme are employed in regional and remote areas of Australia. Key social indicators: &#10146; Life expectancy is 56.9 years for Indigenous males and 61.7 years for females, compared to 75.2 years and 81.1 years respectively for the rest of the population. &#10146; Indigenous babies born in most States and Territories are about twice as likely to be of low birth weight and more than twice as likely to die at birth. &#10146; 40% of children in Australian corrective institutions are Indigenous. &#10146; 32% of Indigenous householders live in owner or purchaser occupied homes compared to 71% for all Australian households. &#10146; One-third of all households living in improvised dwellings are Indigenous. &#10146; 11% of Indigenous adults have a post school qualification compared to 31% for non-Indigenous adults[/quote] There have been TONS of programs and such to help aboriginies but despite this they are still not at the education and employment levels of the general population. When the stolen generation ended, aborignies were granted self-determination and freedom from the government, but with the amount of government intervention in aboriginal communities, its pretty clear things would be even worse if there was no intervention. Somehow this is supposedly the fault of white people, but if there were no intervention by governments in aboriginal communities, things would be A LOT worse. I mean hell alcohol is COMPLETELY banned in most remote aboriginal communities. And a lot of aboriginals in these communites resort to dangerous inhalants like petrol. before you go on a mass banning spree and say that fact isn't backed up, this is from wikipedia. "Opal is a variety of low-aromatic petrol developed in 2005 by BP Australia to combat the rising use of petrol as an inhalant in remote indigenous Australian communities."
[QUOTE=RBM11;20177783]Stereotypes are not racist TH89.[/QUOTE] A convenient excuse, but untrue. Racism is grounded in stereotypes--the main ones "minorities are stupid/lazy/etc" are bad enough but more specific ones (e.g. "black women are promiscuous") are used in order to dehumanize targeted racial groups and further justify prejudices. [QUOTE=RBM11;20177783]Stereotypes are not racist TH89. Of course the guy that said that the Aboriginals evolved differently and are thus unintelligent is racist. The guys who say there are gangs of Aboriginals in the streets of his town is not. Does this mean that only Aboriginals are in gangs and violent? No. The fact is there are gangs of Aboriginals in his town that harass him and beat up his friends. Does this mean that violence is inherent among all Aboriginals because of race? No. Does this means he sees himself as superior? No.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I wouldn't ban someone just for posting that. [editline]11:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=RBM11;20177783]Factually in the United States blacks make up most of the prison population and commit more violent crime yet are only about 15% of the population. I'm not claiming whites are superior or that being black makes you criminal, it's just how it is in this country. It's the culture of the people and their circumstances. The people you banned are just pointing out how it is in Australia. There is a high rate of alcoholism among Native Americans and a high rate of alcoholism and use of inhalants among Aboriginals. This is a fact and I'm not saying being white is superior and Aboriginals are inferior just that in these particular areas, that's how it is. Why do you ban for racism when you don't even know what it is?[/QUOTE] I've read a fair amount of sociological literature. I have a pretty good idea of what racism is. None of what you've described here is racist. Like I said, I wouldn't ban for that. So if someone says that and they get banned for racism, that wasn't the reason.
[QUOTE=catch33;20171144]I always wanted to live in Australia when I was older, but that is never going to happen with all of these BULLSHIT laws the government are implementing. Such as censorship etc[/QUOTE] I personally don't care a very lot about the censorship, the internet isn't actually very important for me. At the moment it's only used as a spending of time until I can move to (duh Duh DUHHH!) Australia and the outback there.
Wait a second, isn't that the default flag of NationStates?
You say "They live in shanty towns with no power, heating or medical care." You think they had that before we came? They wouldn't have been able to develop any of that technology. Now they at least have the chance to use it.
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