[QUOTE=Contag;29346120]Do you believe that most people are judged after death, or on judgment day?
Do you believe genesis is to be taken literally?
What ethnicity and colour do you believe Jesus was?
Is it necessary to be Christian (and more specifically, of your denomination) to get into heaven?
Not trolling, just interested.[/QUOTE]
jesus is black.
everyone knows this
[QUOTE=Nahyan;29346117]Man, I thought these types of threads are banned. All we need is another group of morons who think they got all the answers figured out. We need to end circle-jerkles.[/QUOTE]
I'm keeping it open because I just love the posts that come in sometimes
[QUOTE=Craptasket;29346161]I'm keeping it open because I just love the posts that come in sometimes[/QUOTE]
Hypothetically this thread closes in a few days. Let's say I go and record a conversation with a priest or a knowledgeable religious person, should I just make a new thread? How could I follow up with everyone?
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[QUOTE=Kougar;29346075]I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and I believe I know more than some other people do. I won't judge you and that kinda shit cuz I sin too and everyone does. If you wanna talk, just pm me and I'll give you my Skype or AIM or some other stuff. I don't want some weird radical Christians misleading more people.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you posted this. I will look into Presbyterian churches first. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Contag;29346120]Do you believe that most people are judged after death, or on judgment day?
Do you believe genesis is to be taken literally?
What ethnicity and colour do you believe Jesus was?
Is it necessary to be Christian (and more specifically, of your denomination) to get into heaven?
Not trolling, just interested.[/QUOTE]
According to Revelations, the dead shall rise and be brought before judgement. By now, the ones that die usually either ascend or descend according to their life's deeds.
Genesis is the entailment of the moment of creation initiated by God, it can be interpreted in many ways.
Jesus was Asian. (Middle East = Asia Minor)
Protestantism usually warrants a confirmation of faith in order to be saved, Catholicism was not so specific in that field, but they heavily imply that you should be of their faith in order to go into Heaven or be labeled a Heathen.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29346291]
Jesus was Asian. (Middle East = Asia Minor)
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That term is misleading. Just say Semitic, or Middle-Eastern. In modern day, he would probably black hair and tan skin.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29346291]judgement. By now, the ones that die usually either ascend or descend according to their life's deeds.
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But if are actions are caused by are environment how can you blame people for what they do?
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also facepunch atheist lmoa, facepunc atheist lmoa and I get to say it one more time before im banned.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29346382]But if are actions are caused by are environment how can you blame people for what they do?[/QUOTE]
A Christian would say: Environment = temptation = controlled by god. You have to blame God for temptation because it's in "The Lord's Prayer":
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[b]And lead us not into temptation,[/b]
[b]but deliver us from evil."[/b]
[QUOTE=collegegrad;29346415]A Christian would say: Environment = temptation = controlled by god. You have to blame God for temptation because it's in "The Lord's Prayer":
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[b]And lead us not into temptation,[/b]
[b]but deliver us from evil."[/b][/QUOTE]
It is going to take more than just the Lord's prayer to prove a point.
I'll be honest, I am not from a Christian tradition so I am probably just as lost as most people here are, but you are going to have to refer to more credible sources, with full historical context, to make a point about the nature of God according to the many branches of Christianity.
And never say what a Christian/Atheist/Muslim/Hindu would say if so and so happened. You are not one of them, so don't give others misleading information about what they have to say about something which has a subjective base.
[QUOTE=collegegrad;29346415]A Christian would say: Environment = temptation = controlled by god. You have to blame God for temptation because it's in "The Lord's Prayer":
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[b]And lead us not into temptation,[/b]
[b]but deliver us from evil."[/b][/QUOTE]
What?? How the Hell can you be tempted into doing evil things when you are being told from beginning that what you are doing is good?
I guess children soldiers are going to Hell.
How can any sort of objective moral system of judgement exist in a world where your actions are decided by a twist of genetics and the molding of your surroundings?
How can you objectively judge a murderer if that murderer is incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong? How can you objectively judge a murderer if they've been lead to believe through ritualistic brainwashing that the person they killed was a monster worthy only of death?
Would anyone here decry someone as a monster if they had only the best of intentions? If you would, then how would you say they should have acted? Should they have acted in a way they thought terrible? If so, how can any of us tell what the right thing to do is?
The human brain isn't capable of being objectively judged, because judgement itself is a subjective concept that we've invented.
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Here's a little moral situation for you.
Imagine you're a doctor in a city just after the events of a catastrophe. Your hospital is without power, and you have been sent helicopters to ferry out the patients. However, You cannot fit all of the patients onto the helicopter, and so some must stay. And those that stay will surely die.
What do you do? Do you save the youngest? The oldest? The middle aged? The sickest, on the grounds that they are the most vulnerable and the most needing of your care? The healthiest, on the grounds that they would be the most likely to survive with treatment?
No matter what decision you make, people will die because of it. How is that judged? Are you not responsible for the deaths of innocent people? How does God figure that one out?
[QUOTE=Contag;29346120]Do you believe that most people are judged after death, or on judgment day?
Do you believe genesis is to be taken literally?
What ethnicity and colour do you believe Jesus was?
Is it necessary to be Christian (and more specifically, of your denomination) to get into heaven?
Not trolling, just interested.[/QUOTE]
I've been TAUGHT that all people are judged after death. I do believe this with my own mind, however. It's the time where all your past sins are looked back upon. But also, it's taught that if you have repented, and I mean really repented, then those sins are forgiven already and forgotten about.
There are a lot of chapters and stories in Genesis. It depends on which part you would like explained? But as to it's truth, I believe it. But of course, there are some aspects of which I believe are metaphorical in its description, like the creation of the universe.
Jesus? He was man, like you and me. I'm born in Korea, I'm Korean and Yellow. He was Middle Eastern and white, for he was born in Jerusalem, which is in Israel.
Christianity isn't supposed to be a religion, it's a faith. You don't have to be labeled as Christian to believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, which is how you are supposed to be able to achieve access to Heaven. But coming with that faith comes with its responsibility.
I'm sorry, I may have not answered your questions fully haha. I'd be glad to answer more though.
[QUOTE=nikomo;29341427]Should have just ended it fast and asked her to prove God.
I personally am unable to believe in something that can't be proven to exist. Except for Episode 3 and Duke Nukem Forever.[/QUOTE]
Prove to me that the scientific method works.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29346612]
Here's a little moral situation for you.
Imagine you're a doctor in a city just after the events of a catastrophe. Your hospital is without power, and you have been sent helicopters to ferry out the patients. However, You cannot fit all of the patients onto the helicopter, and so some must stay. And those that stay will surely die.
What do you do? Do you save the youngest? The oldest? The middle aged? The sickest, on the grounds that they are the most vulnerable and the most needing of your care? The healthiest, on the grounds that they would be the most likely to survive with treatment?
No matter what decision you make, people will die because of it. How is that judged? Are you not responsible for the deaths of innocent people? How does God figure that one out?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter who leaves, those that stay have to accept their fate. The situation is beyond anyones control. The doctor can't be blamed for those peoples deaths, that's dumb. As long as he made a decision with good intentions and to the best of his ability, he's ok.
[QUOTE=Kougar;29346807]I've been TAUGHT that all people are judged after death. I do believe this with my own mind, however. It's the time where all your past sins are looked back upon. But also, it's taught that if you have repented, and I mean really repented,[/QUOTE]
But what if you believe the things you did were good or justified?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29346888]But what if you believe the things you did were good or justified?[/QUOTE]
If you were born and raised with the belief that Jews were scumbags and find yourself gassing them in chambers and were told you were doing the world good the whole time, and then get killed before realizing what you did was evil, chances are you will still be saved.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29346934]If you were born and raised with the belief that Jews were scumbags and find yourself gassing them in chambers and were told you were doing the world good the whole time, and then get killed before realizing what you did was evil, chances are you will still be saved.[/QUOTE]
Well I dont think anyone believes they are evil and every action is caused by something so this means everyone goes to heaven right?
[QUOTE=sgman91;29346860]Prove to me that the scientific method works.[/QUOTE]
Prove to me that god works.
lazy ass *mumble mumble*
[QUOTE=Kougar;29346807]I've been TAUGHT that all people are judged after death. I do believe this with my own mind, however. It's the time where all your past sins are looked back upon. But also, it's taught that if you have repented, and I mean really repented, then those sins are forgiven already and forgotten about.[/QUOTE]
What if there's somebody who never heard of Christianity but dedicated their life to being good?
Or the people that lived before Jesus Christ? (to Baptists, etc.)
I also want to know what most denominations think about animals. I get really mixed answers everytime I ask Christians about it (animals and heaven, I mean)
[QUOTE=sgman91;29346860]Prove to me that the scientific method works.[/QUOTE]
Look at technology. Look science works by getting information from the world to base your beliefs on instead of getting them out of nothing with no proof. Science is obviously a good way to look at things and has been proven to work many times.
[QUOTE=Nahyan;29346521]It is going to take more than just the Lord's prayer to prove a point.
I'll be honest, I am not from a Christian tradition so I am probably just as lost as most people here are, but you are going to have to refer to more credible sources, with full historical context, to make a point about the nature of God according to the many branches of Christianity.
And never say what a Christian/Atheist/Muslim/Hindu would say if so and so happened. You are not one of them, so don't give others misleading information about what they have to say about something which has a subjective base.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I forgot to add this Matthew 6:9–13
I just don't get it with religion.
It's basically living your life to die.
[QUOTE=Dog;29347313]I just don't get it with religion.
It's basically living your life to die.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it what life is all about though?
You study for like the first 25 years of your life.
You work for the next 40 years of your life.
All so you could retire.
I have a friend who went to Central America with a few things. Got robbed. He now has 3 shirts, and a pair of pants and a credit card where he only spends about $4/day on living, food, etc. with no worries in the world at all.
I talked to him the other day over the phone and he's all stress-free and happy. He was laughing at how doesn't even care or know what day or time it is. He even forgot his own birthday up until 3 weeks later when he checked his email at some guy's computer to see birthday wishes from his family here in the US.
[QUOTE=collegegrad;29347110]Sorry I forgot to add this Matthew 6:9–13[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but skimming google and cherry-picking verses won't help, either, unless you wish to give me a full-context explanation, which may need more sources, considering that many historians and theologians agree that the Bible is not the best source of information on Christianity, which sounds ridiculous, but apparently makes sense.
However, I feel that this thread is more about the Christian god than a universal or cosmic god, which may be more interesting. My two cents is that modern Christianity has a terrible rendition/depiction of God, not because of I disagree with it, but because there is so much inconsistencies and conflicting sources that proving the existence of a Christian god is a lost cause.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;29342576]If you're desperate for a religion at least pick a cool one like Norse paganism. You get to worship this badass motherfucker.
[img_thumb]http://masmitja.pbworks.com/f/1274292571/Thor.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
im convinced just from this picture.
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[QUOTE=sgman91;29346860]Prove to me that the scientific method works.[/QUOTE]
Experiments are performed, tested, and confirmed all the time
Dumbass.
God will be behind you mate.
[QUOTE=-n3o-;29348788]God will be behind you mate.[/QUOTE]
Kinky
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[QUOTE=Dog;29347313]I just don't get it with religion.
It's basically living your life to die.[/QUOTE]
It teaches that this life is insignificant to the next, a test to determine your eternity. It's an inane idea. It also teaches that this test is for you and you are of sole importance.
[QUOTE=gtaftw;29344530]even if the books say there is one as everyone has their own.[/quote]
"Even if the word of the god I believe in says there is only one, there still isn't!"
[QUOTE=gtaftw;29344530]And if god is anything, however you put things or believe, the one thing that god really is in active, present form is hope. It's why people pray or send there children to do so to. As hope, hope for future, hope for something good to come from the bleak cruel world we call earth.[/quote]
Wouldn't it be better if, instead of just praying for disasters to get better, you actually donated aid (money, food, even something simple like a blanket or two) to where ever this is? Prayer accomplishes nothing. Or if you really care (I assume you do seeing as you've gone on this long diatribe about hope in a bleak world), why not join the Peace Corps or something and really make a difference in the world instead of just hoping it gets better?
[QUOTE=gtaftw;29344530]God is hope.[/QUOTE]
No, I believe that's why people have hope. You don't need God to have hope for something.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;29346861]It doesn't matter who leaves, those that stay have to accept their fate. The situation is beyond anyones control. The doctor can't be blamed for those peoples deaths, that's dumb. As long as he made a decision with good intentions and to the best of his ability, he's ok.[/QUOTE]
So intentions are what matter?
So what if before leaving, the doctor killed all the people he left behind in order to spare them from a more painful death? Would that be okay if his intentions were pure?
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[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29346934]If you were born and raised with the belief that Jews were scumbags and find yourself gassing them in chambers and were told you were doing the world good the whole time, and then get killed before realizing what you did was evil, chances are you will still be saved.[/QUOTE]
But no one does something knowing it to be evil. Unless you're completely insane, in which case how can you be judged then either?
How is there any punishment if any action can be explained as a product of your environment?
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
We have a justice system because we need to deal with people who commit crime and damage civilization. In heaven there is no such danger; I doubt God's domain could be assailed by an army of rapists and murderers. So what need is there for "justice" in the first place if not so God can have some sort of petty revenge?
[QUOTE=sgman91;29346860]Prove to me that the scientific method works.[/QUOTE]
You proved it by posting that on the internet. seems to be working pretty well.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
Of course, it's relatively easy to prove the natural, as it tends to be, you know, provable.
[editline]22nd April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Euphoracle;29348807]
It teaches that this life is insignificant to the next, a test to determine your eternity. It's an inane idea. It also teaches that this test is for you and you are of sole importance.[/QUOTE]
No, it's a really good idea if you're poor sad peasant worker.
The suicide clause is there for a reason.
I'm christian and I don't go around shoving in world's face. I don't care about gays getting married and whatnot. I don't go on giant parades or anything remotely close to that. Though I'm stereotyped as the "Hardcore christian gay hating conservative republican that needs more death penalty." Sometimes I still don't get it.
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