Any veggies on FP? - General

[QUOTE=professional;18418656]No. If you're doing it because you can't stand the taste of meat, that's fine. If you're doing it for "health" reasons however, you are an idiot. There are no health benefits to being a vegetarian over someone who eats an omnivorous diet. People only get perceived health benefits on vegetarian diets because when they force themselves to go vego, they tend to stop eating alot of shit foods, fast food especially. As for animal cruelty, again, no. Do you really think people are so generally fucked up or that they even want to waste time torturing the animal to death when they can just kill it quickly and get to butchering the meat quicker? Not likely. I've seen what they do first hand, they've got a fucking pressurized rod, and they shoot that bitch through the cattle's head. It's dead instantly, wouldn't have even known or felt a fucking thing. And don't give me "freedom" speeches, Cows are as dumb as shit, and being on a grassy paddock most of their life would be no different from grazing in the wild - the only difference is in the wild they have the stress of predators - who don't give a flying fuck about how the cow feels when they attack it.[/QUOTE] Pretty aggressive, for all the comments labelling veggies as 'high and mighty' or 'PETA crazy' for example, it seems it's the folk who like a good slab of meat on their plate that are trying to do the convincing / converting. There's still plenty of sugar-packed / vegetable-oil fried animal-free foods that are 'shit', so don't talk rubbish. Again, I don't see why cutting out the very little meat I eat anyway and trying to pack more veg into my diet is going to be any worse than someone who has a huge greasy burger and fried chips for lunch everyday, or a mince pie? I didn't say they spend their time torturing animals, the point I made that yes, it is for profit, and I believe in the end people don't care about a few animals that may not be stunned properly / gun doesn't quite kill them and they have to take a few more shots and that particulalry worries ME, how is it wrong to feel guilty about something like this? And my reaction is not to preach to people, but simply not to eat meat as a personal choice. I didn't give you 'freedom' speeches, but animals deserve to be able to carry out their natural behaviours vs. being crammed in a dark warehouse / cage for their short lives, I'm sure paddocks are just dandy for cows, did I ever say 'LET THEM RUN WILD AND FREE!' No, I didn't. Your 'in the wild' argument is also so weak, these animals are domesticated, of course they wouldn't have a clue, other related animals do just fine however, and in the end, EVERY wild animal is under stress - of being eaten, of not finding food, of being injured etc. also, animals don't have the mindset nor the means to obtain an alternative, we do, that's the point so don't spew out that 'well a lion doesn't care' rubbish.

My father's a vegetarian, he makes some really good food from stuff you'd hope not be at your home anymore. Though he was working temporarily in vege restaurant a while ago, that's probably the source of his skills. But i prefer normal food with meat like the rest 95% of finland. I can't say no to ground beef and potatoes.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat lots of vegetables. [editline]11:22AM[/editline] Also, tom, being a vegetarian is a horrible idea. Especially if its for "morals" You need your meat, man. [editline]11:24AM[/editline] It's the [B]CIRCLE[/B] of [B][U][I]LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE[/I][/U][/B]

[QUOTE=Tom-ate-em;18418726]Pretty aggressive, for all the comments labelling veggies as 'high and mighty' or 'PETA crazy' for example, it seems it's the folk who like a good slab of meat on their plate that are trying to do the convincing / converting. There's still plenty of sugar-packed / vegetable-oil fried animal-free foods that are 'shit', so don't talk rubbish. Again, I don't see why cutting out the very little meat I eat anyway and trying to pack more veg into my diet is going to be any worse than someone who has a huge greasy burger and fried chips for lunch everyday, or a mince pie? I didn't say they spend their time torturing animals, the point I made that yes, it is for profit, and I believe in the end people don't care about a few animals that may not be stunned properly / gun doesn't quite kill them and they have to take a few more shots and that particulalry worries ME, how is it wrong to feel guilty about something like this? And my reaction is not to preach to people, but simply not to eat meat as a personal choice. I didn't give you 'freedom' speeches, but animals deserve to be able to carry out their natural behaviours vs. being crammed in a dark warehouse / cage for their short lives, I'm sure paddocks are just dandy for cows, did I ever say 'LET THEM RUN WILD AND FREE!' No, I didn't. Your 'in the wild' argument is also so weak, these animals are domesticated, of course they wouldn't have a clue, other related animals do just fine however, and in the end, EVERY wild animal is under stress - of being eaten, of not finding food, of being injured etc. also, animals don't have the mindset nor the means to obtain an alternative, we do, that's the point so don't spew out that 'well a lion doesn't care' rubbish.[/QUOTE] 1. That's how I post. Get used to it and stop being so sensitive. 2. You missed the point, I said that doing it for "health" reasons would be stupid. There are no health benefits of going vego over an omnivorous diet. Infact, as long as you don't have a rare condition(s) that conflict with meat digestion for example, an omnivorous diet is actually superior. 3. What part of the "in the wild argument" is weak. It's very easy to call something weak, but your counter argument was weak in my eyes. Okay, let's say the rod does malfunction and get's stuck inside the cattle's brain, it's feeling intense pain for 10 seconds while they clear the malfunction and shoot it through again. Conversely, let's look at a wild buffalo, a lion is chasing it, and fear is tearing at the buffalo, then the lion catches it, tearing it's skin off it's back and sinking large teeth into it's neck. It's bleeding to death, then nervous system starts causing muscle spasms to the already torn muscles, and when it finally falls down, it's still alive when the lions start eating it. Which do you think is a more slow, traumatic and painful death? Domestication is completely irrelevant.

My sister lives with us, is a vegan and doesn't eat red meat. It's always goddamn chicken for her.

[QUOTE=Jallen;18405188]Enjoy your low protien diet, worm.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=doommarine23;18405211]Um, you know meat contains proteins which build your muscles and body right, and a load of other shit.[/QUOTE] lemme introduce you to a thing called supplements. [QUOTE=Kylel999;18405611]enjoy your protein poisoning, faggot[/QUOTE] bogus shit, i consume up to 310g of protein a day in my diet only because i lift weights and i need the protein.

[QUOTE=gringfagmos;18418912]lemme introduce you to a thing called supplements. bogus shit, i consume up to 310g of protein a day in my diet only because i lift weights and i need the protein.[/QUOTE] Protein supplements, such as whey or casein powder, while useful, lack the nutrients and quality of a fresh meat protein source, such as beef. Oh well, at least you're one of the few vegetarians who acknowledge a need for protein.

[QUOTE=professional;18418936]Protein supplements, such as whey or casein powder, while useful, lack the nutrients and quality of a fresh meat protein source, such as beef. Oh well, at least you're one of the few vegetarians who acknowledge a need for protein.[/QUOTE] i'm not a vegan i was just correcting them.

[QUOTE=kikka;18418894]My sister lives with us, is a vegan and doesn't eat red meat. It's always goddamn chicken for her.[/QUOTE] And chicken isn't meat...

[QUOTE=professional;18418882]1. That's how I post. Get used to it and stop being so sensitive. 2. You missed the point, I said that doing it for "health" reasons would be stupid. There are no health benefits of going vego over an omnivorous diet. Infact, as long as you don't have a rare condition(s) that conflict with meat digestion for example, an omnivorous diet is actually superior. 3. What part of the "in the wild argument" is weak. It's very easy to call something weak, but your counter argument was weak in my eyes. Okay, let's say the rod does malfunction and get's stuck inside the cattle's brain, it's feeling intense pain for 10 seconds while they clear the malfunction and shoot it through again. Conversely, let's look at a wild buffalo, a lion is chasing it, and fear is tearing at the buffalo, then the lion catches it, tearing it's skin off it's back and sinking large teeth into it's neck. It's bleeding to death, then nervous system starts causing muscle spasms to the already torn muscles, and when it finally falls down, it's still alive when the lions start eating it. Which do you think is a more slow, traumatic and painful death? Domestication is completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE] 1. I'm not sensitive, I just wish folk like you would pipe down since you're not posting within the purpose of the thread. And no, I don't have to 'get used to it', again, I wasn't asking for opinions from people with your viewpoint. 2. Bad reading then, I feel moral conflictions. eating more veg and finding new food is a plus. 3. 'it's very easy to call something weak' ---> 'your argument was weak in my eyes' ? Believe it or not, chances are lions don't have the same moral capacity, they also must eat to meat to survive and are, in most cases, entirely carnivorous unlike ourselves, they don't have the capability or means, like I mentioned, to create supplements. So you cannot compare a human killing a cow with a lion killing a buffalo. We can avoid it. Subtle difference, I know. We're not out in the wild anymore, y'know.

Your horse avatar is p cool

[QUOTE=professional;18418656]This is a stupid misconception I commonly hear/read. Extra protein will fucking NOT turn into fat. Metabolically, Protein is the most taxing nutrient for the body to break down, to the point where it expends half as much calories trying to burn it as you ingested of the protein. That's why high protein - low carb diets are all the rage with people who want to get lean. Not to mention for you to gain any amount of fat you'd have to be eating well over the caloric intake it takes you to maintain weight. You are much much much more likely to get fat from eating too many carbs. Also the misconception that protein is only useful for building muscle. No, it's just as an important nutrient as fats and carbohydrates are, if not more important for health. For example, high protein intake increases bone density (and thereby strength), supports the protective tissues of joints and stimulates the production of testosterone and human growth hormone.[/QUOTE] Well thanks for telling me that, I really didn't know. But I'm still not eating meat and I'm not an idiot because I still get a healthy amount of protein.

hey man make sure you get balanced amino acids like if you eat beans eat some rice with that shit 's good

[QUOTE=NeoDement;18408400]That's taking it too far, plants don't have brains of any sort.[/QUOTE] Neither do human embryos... can we eat those? Mmmm... sweet tasty embryos....

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;18405082][img]http://lafinjack.net/images/comicz/deadpool/deadpool_meatloaf.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] looks like the start to a bad fetish porn

I'm allergic to all fruits and vegetables, I eat cat and fish eyes and goat brains and things like that. I have a rifle that I shoot all the raccoons squirrels golfers and anything else that's on my property it's really fun. I love meat loaf and meat pie the most.

[QUOTE=professional;18418882]2. You missed the point, I said that doing it for "health" reasons would be stupid. There are no health benefits of going vego over an omnivorous diet. Infact, as long as you don't have a rare condition(s) that conflict with meat digestion for example, an omnivorous diet is actually superior.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Vegetarian diet 'cuts heart risk'[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2526891.stm[/url] [QUOTE]Vegetarians Have Lower Cancer Risk, UK Study[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155965.php?nfid=66865[/url] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8127215.stm[/url] Some studies have also suggested an increased life expectancy, and the above show considerable advantages over an omnivorous diet. However, vegetarians can suffer from certain vitamin and mineral deficiencies if they do not follow a correct diet (protein is actually found in abundance if egg and cheese and certain beans are consumed, the main deficit is in A and B vitamins as well as Iron, which can be found in none-animal sources but are less common). And you can be perfectly healthy if you eat meat in reasonable amounts, you could for example cut out other lifestyle habits which can lead to certain health risks. Also of note is that many countries dissaprove of vegan diets for small children, as unlike vegetarian diets there are certain amino acids not available through this diet.

This whole thread has been a mathematical error, a mathematical error I'm about to correct. [img]http://blogs.citypages.com/food/bacon%20roll%201.jpg[/img]

The problem I have with vegans/vegetarians? A. They try to make you feel bad about eating meat. B. Almost all of them have a "more holier that thou" complex C. They claim they save animals by not eating them. This is bullshit. By the time a person goes to the store, the meat is already there, 100% dead. By not buying and eating it, you make the animal die in vein, and then FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. See 1 & 2. ----------------------------------- Edit: Lol buthurt vegi rates me dumb :downs:

[QUOTE=SnakeSolid;18420085]This whole thread has been a mathematical error, a mathematical error I'm about to correct. [img]http://blogs.citypages.com/food/bacon%20roll%201.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Have my babies. But I'm keeping my bacon.

[QUOTE=TMlord95;18420115]The problem I have with vegans/vegetarians? A. They try to make you feel bad about eating meat. B. Almost all of them have a "more holier that thou" complex C. They claim they save animals by not eating them. This is bullshit. By the time a person goes to the store, the meat is already there, 100% dead. By not buying and eating it, you make the animal die in vein, and then FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. See 1 & 2. ----------------------------------- Edit: Lol buthurt vegi rates me dumb :downs:[/QUOTE] I did not rate box, but you deserved it anyhow. You're completely presumtious, have you not read the entirety of this thread? It has more or less been bombarded by meat eating individuals informing me of their, well, unwanted opinion, that I'll somehow degrade because I'm not eating chicken wraps and stupid arguments such as 'that's why we have canines' (yes, very small ones, very small insufficient ones). All I wanted was some veggie viewpoints, but again I suppose what can I expect from FP? Having been there, meat eaters can be some of the most intolerant, ignorant, petty people that you'd never have expected, until you decide to do something like this, it's funny that veggies are viewed as self-righteous saving the animals when meat-eaters are equally as bad, quite obviously in a lot of cases. Finally, AGAIN, demand, people eat less meat ---> industry breeds and kills less animals. Retard. ----------------------------------- Edit: Lol buthurt user because rated dumb :downs: [QUOTE=SnakeSolid;18420085]This whole thread has been a mathematical error, a mathematical error I'm about to correct. [img]http://blogs.citypages.com/food/bacon%20roll%201.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Aw man X___x I wouldn't have wanted to eat that when I WASN'T opposed to eating meat, goddamn.

hey OP you're dumb! Who's WITH ME???

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Jesus, grow up everyone. I'm not a vegetarian. I think meat is tasty but I wouldn't mind not eating it for 2 weeks or more. There are loads of delicious vegetarian dishes. Veganism is shit stupid but vegetarianism is fine with me. I don't care about it.

Being vegetarian nowadays is apparently 'healthier' because all we do is sit on our arses and do absolutely fuck all when compared to our horse eating, town building, warmongering ancestors.

[QUOTE=angelangel;18420479]do absolutely fuck all[/QUOTE] I'm not familiar with that expression.

[QUOTE=Tom-ate-em;18420415]I did not rate box, but you deserved it anyhow. You're completely presumtious, have you not read the entirety of this thread? It has more or less been bombarded by meat eating individuals informing me of their, well, unwanted opinion, that I'll somehow degrade because I'm not eating chicken wraps and stupid arguments such as 'that's why we have canines' (yes, very small ones, very small insufficient ones). All I wanted was some veggie viewpoints, but again I suppose what can I expect from FP? Having been there, meat eaters can be some of the most intolerant, ignorant, petty people that you'd never have expected, until you decide to do something like this, it's funny that veggies are viewed as self-righteous saving the animals when meat-eaters are equally as bad, quite obviously in a lot of cases. Finally, AGAIN, demand, people eat less meat ---> industry breeds and kills less animals. Retard. [/quote] I have no problem with those who don't eat meat, just the ones who try to make me feel bad for doing so. And, one person, or, even a group of people, are not going to make a large enough dent to stop supermarkets from buying at the current bulk rate- they will just lower the price. Your free to eat how and what you want- just don't tell me to do the same. Also :downs: Edit: Not to mention the fact I have tried eating vegetarian before. I enjoy a nice salad. I love a fresh baked potato. But I just love meat to much.

[QUOTE=drive_the_hive;18420436]There are loads of delicious vegetarian dishes. [/QUOTE] Nuh uh. Well, maybe for you, but my diet basically consists of meat, bread, potatoes, and macaroni and cheese.

[QUOTE=derminion;18420578]I'm not familiar with that expression.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/index.htm][img]http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6863/adictionaryofslangfslan.png[/img][/url] :britain:

[QUOTE=TMlord95;18420624]I have no problem with those who don't eat meat, just the ones who try to make me feel bad for doing so. And, one person, or, even a group of people, are not going to make a large enough dent to stop supermarkets from buying at the current bulk rate- they will just lower the price. Your free to eat how and what you want- just don't tell me to do the same. Also :downs:[/QUOTE] This thread is not meat vs. no meat, so while your comment might have been topical, it wasn't exactly in accordance with the thread, so don't be surprised I see your comment as aggression or pointing the finger. And people can try right? I'm just explaing that could be one idea behind it, in response to what you mentioned, in a nutshell as 'you should eat meat becasue it's dead already it'd be a waste', because I think that's silly, and that yes, if vegetarians were the majority, supermarkets would change their products to make profit, why lower the price of meat and lose money when you can give costomers what they want at a high price? I am not offended by meat-eaters, I've just become morally opposed, personally, I have not been telling anyone to do anything, like I said, it's been quite the reverse in this thread.