Any veggies on FP? - General

Dude... You need meat. You need Protein. Don't go vegan.

Vegetarian isn't as bad as Vegan, which means you.. pretty much leave out anything remotely tasty. But did you honestly think you were going to get good advice on being a vegetarian when the world is still predominately omnivorous? Especially on a forum that's full of internet tough guys who think that they're funny. Anyways, I love meat and could probably never give it up, being in a Mexican family. But hey, as long as you're not advocating PETA, do what you want.

I'm a vegetarian, life long, and I hate it when threads like these appear because nothing good comes out of them. I really can't see why the meatless diet of certain people bothers others so much. To the OP, make sure you know about and avoid ingredients like gelatin which come from animals in things like sweets as it's not obvious when they're in something. Treat 'vegetarians' who eat fish like the liars they are and don't be bothered by others eating meat around you as it will make you seem awkward and irritating. If you're asked about why you're a veggie leave the animal cruelty excuse till last as animals are usually humanely killed. You could talk about needing something interesting to do/try, talk about how rearing less animals for meat saves space, stops them from polluting etc. It pains me to see someone talk about stopping animal cruelty by being vegetarian. You should learn some vegetarian recipes to cook so that you don't have to live off salads, pasta and other simple things. Try making veggie versions of meat based foods like lasagna and shepherds pie etc. It's a lot easier to be vegetarian now than it was 10 years ago. You can pick up meat free versions of almost any meat now each with different flavours and textures. Good luck if you go ahead with it.

[QUOTE=Tom-ate-em;18405019]Thank you for that very valid and insightful opinion - ___- I used to use that argument, and it's pretty poor to be honest, now that I see the other side of the story. But humans do lots of unnatural things... we might have the capacity to eat meat, but I think we're built to primarily consume fruit and veg - it's healtheir for a start, cutting out all that colesterol... anyway, since I'm not going to go on a pro-veggie rampage, I'd appreciate it if people keep their own opinion to themselves.[/QUOTE] Opinions can't be wrong. It's an [I]opinion[/I]. And we won't keep our opinions to ourselfs, because it's a [I]forum[/I]. Where people discuss and all.

[QUOTE=Tom-ate-em;18420705]This thread is not meat vs. no meat, so while your comment might have been topical, it wasn't exactly in accordance with the thread, so don't be surprised I see your comment as aggression or pointing the finger. And people can try right? I'm just explaing that could be one idea behind it, in response to what you mentioned, in a nutshell as 'you should eat meat becasue it's dead already it'd be a waste', because I think that's silly, and that yes, if vegetarians were the majority, supermarkets would change their products to make profit, why lower the price of meat and lose money when you can give costomers what they want at a high price? I am not offended by meat-eaters, I've just become morally opposed, personally, I have not been telling anyone to do anything, like I said, it's been quite the reverse in this thread.[/QUOTE] Agree'd Also, you broke the :downs: chain But yeah, :downs:

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18420656]Nuh uh. Well, maybe for you, but my diet basically consists of meat, bread, potatoes, and macaroni and cheese.[/QUOTE] It's fucking delicious too.

Just ate my steak. So what are you guys talking about?

[QUOTE=Tom-ate-em;18420415] Finally, AGAIN, demand, people eat less meat ---> industry breeds and kills less animals. Retard. [/QUOTE] Brb, replacing vegetables with vitamin pills and meat. FUCK YEAH, BACON!!

[QUOTE=theenemy;18420822]I'm a vegetarian, life long, and I hate it when threads like these appear because nothing good comes out of them. I really can't see why the meatless diet of certain people bothers others so much. To the OP, make sure you know about and avoid ingredients like gelatin which come from animals in things like sweets as it's not obvious when they're in something. Treat 'vegetarians' who eat fish like the liars they are and don't be bothered by others eating meat around you as it will make you seem awkward and irritating. If you're asked about why you're a veggie leave the animal cruelty excuse till last as animals are usually humanely killed. You could talk about needing something interesting to do/try, talk about how rearing less animals for meat saves space, stops them from polluting etc. It pains me to see someone talk about stopping animal cruelty by being vegetarian. You should learn some vegetarian recipes to cook so that you don't have to live off salads, pasta and other simple things. Try making veggie versions of meat based foods like lasagna and shepherds pie etc. It's a lot easier to be vegetarian now than it was 10 years ago. You can pick up meat free versions of almost any meat now each with different flavours and textures. Good luck if you go ahead with it.[/QUOTE] that was so deep i think i'm going to cry :britain:

Omg my breakfast is ready, Just ordered a cow from the farm up the street. Where the fuck is my chainsaw

I was a vegetarian for 16~ years. Then I ate meat. [QUOTE=Stopper;18420876]Opinions can't be wrong. It's an [I]opinion[/I]. And we won't keep our opinions to ourselfs, because it's a [I]forum[/I]. Where people discuss and all.[/QUOTE] Oh you

[QUOTE=theenemy;18420822] To the OP, make sure you know about and avoid ingredients like gelatin which come from animals in things like sweets as it's not obvious when they're in something. Good luck if you go ahead with it.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't this make him a vegan?

Also, store-bought eggs are not fertilized, therefore, have had nothing living in them. I don't understand why some vegetarians can't comprehend that.

[QUOTE=jiggu;18422082]Wouldn't this make him a vegan?[/QUOTE] Gelatine/Gelatin is made by boiling skins bones and cartilage left over from the meat industry, so generally vegetarians avoid that...

[QUOTE=jiggu;18422082]Wouldn't this make him a vegan?[/QUOTE] No I mean things like gelatin which the animal has to be killed for. They aren't always clearly shown on packaging and some people love nothing more than to teach you that when it's too late. Having 'Not suitable for vegetarians' would be more useful. rather than "Suitable for vegetarians'.

Used to be a veggie - then I grew up.

[QUOTE=Athelus;18420018][url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2526891.stm[/url] [url]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155965.php?nfid=66865[/url] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8127215.stm[/url] Some studies have also suggested an increased life expectancy, and the above show considerable advantages over an omnivorous diet. However, vegetarians can suffer from certain vitamin and mineral deficiencies if they do not follow a correct diet (protein is actually found in abundance if egg and cheese and certain beans are consumed, the main deficit is in A and B vitamins as well as Iron, which can be found in none-animal sources but are less common). And you can be perfectly healthy if you eat meat in reasonable amounts, you could for example cut out other lifestyle habits which can lead to certain health risks. Also of note is that many countries dissaprove of vegan diets for small children, as unlike vegetarian diets there are certain amino acids not available through this diet.[/QUOTE] Not at all, many of these studies are poorly conducted and don't institute much control over the participants during the course of the study. As I said before, majority of vegetarians will be consuming less crap simply by merit of their restrictive diet. You're very unlikely to see a vego munching a quarter pounder and fries and washing it down with coke, then going out to get drunk later that night for example. Now fair enough, a vegetarian diet may lower cholesterol and probably would lower the risk of cancer considerably due to the high amount of anti oxidants you would be consuming. However, what if I was to tell you that a high fat, high protein, low/no carb diet that involves ample amounts of meat, eggs, nuts, cheese etc does the exact same thing? Well here's the shocker, it's true. Take a look at the "anabolic diet" and it's related variations and the research surrounding it. People are ingesting plenty of dietary fats and dietary cholesterol and their blood levels are IMPROVING. - Tell me that's not completely contrary to what they've been teaching in schools or displaying in the popular media. My biggest concern for people, especially males, on vegan or vegetarian diet is the damage done to the production and maintanence of their Testosterone levels, among other things. Many people assume from an ideal placed in their head that only bodybuilders should worry about testosterone and it just makes people angry etc etc, and it is a foul misconception, Testosterone is probably one of the most important hormones our bodies produces in the maintanence of good health, regardless of wether your a couch potato or an athlete. Low testosterone can do terrible things to males.

[QUOTE=professional;18424578]My biggest concern for people, especially males, on vegan or vegetarian diet is the damage done to the production and maintanence of their Testosterone levels, among other things. Many people assume from an ideal placed in their head that only bodybuilders should worry about testosterone and it just makes people angry etc etc, and it is a foul misconception, Testosterone is probably one of the most important hormones our bodies produces in the maintanence of good health, regardless of wether your a couch potato or an athlete. Low testosterone can do terrible things to males.[/QUOTE] This is true, there is a lower intake of testosterone as it isn't gained through digestion as it would be with meat. However, it's believed that it is a very small source compared to your body's production and effects are non-existent. If there was a problem with not getting enough ingested testosterone it would already be known through observations and studies.

[QUOTE=professional;18424578]Not at all, many of these studies are poorly conducted and don't institute much control over the participants during the course of the study. Now fair enough, a vegetarian diet may lower cholesterol and probably would lower the risk of cancer considerably due to the high amount of anti oxidants you would be consuming. However, what if I was to tell you that a high fat, high protein, low/no carb diet that involves ample amounts of meat, eggs, nuts, cheese etc does the exact same thing? My biggest concern for people, especially males, on vegan or vegetarian diet is the damage done to the production and maintanence of their Testosterone levels, among other things.[/QUOTE] Note, i've trimmed the above quote, so some parts may appear out of context. Ok, firstly, how are studies poorly conducted? They were carried out with control samples, followed all the accepted rules in a biological experiment and the findings were published in the peer reviewed science journal Nature. Secondly, the article highlights the presence of carcinogens in most meats. Thirdly, I believe that you are overstating the importance of testosterone, but nonetheless you are right that it is needed and that levels can suffer in a vegetarian diet, but this is mainly true in an unbalanced vegetarian diet, which, like any form of unbalanced diet can have negative effects. Note that the study also includes what it terms 'fish eaters' which it ranks as doing as well in the studied areas as regular vegetarians. Also, the amount of testosterone being lower is comparable to the diet of most East Asian countries, where popular foodstuffs (tofu) activeley contribute to lower testosterone levels. The lack of any significant health defects (in fact the reverse) from this diet would signal that this is not nescessarily a dangerous diet. Note that there appear to be no published studies suggesting that testosterone requirement changes with race. To make this clearer, it has been pointed out that the male children of vegetarian mothers have suffered from testosterone deficiency leading to genital defects ([url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/286265.stm[/url]), but this is more due to being at an early point of development. Also note that the study highlighted that most of the affected mothers ate tofu regularly, which can substantially lower testosterone levels. Short version: Vegetarians are mainly likeley to suffer from lower testosterone if they regularly consume tofu, and even then the effects will only have much in the way of physical consequence to any child they may be carrying. (Woman giving birth to baby boy).

[QUOTE=Pascall;18420790]Vegetarian isn't as bad as Vegan, which means you.. pretty much leave out anything remotely tasty. But did you honestly think you were going to get good advice on being a vegetarian when the world is still predominately omnivorous? Especially on a forum that's full of internet tough guys who think that they're funny. Anyways, I love meat and could probably never give it up, being in a Mexican family. But hey, as long as you're not advocating PETA, do what you want.[/QUOTE] damn you lucky bastard Do you get REEL MEXICAN CUISINE?

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how about instead of being pussy shit vegetarians you just be a NORMAL PERSON and eat a MIXED and HEALTHY diet. [img]http://www.motherearthnews.com/uploadedImages/Blogs/Relish!/Food-Safety.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Aurastorm;18404999]being vegetarian is disgusting[/QUOTE] Why? I'm vegetarian and perfectly healthy. FYI I'm not one of those self righteous vegetarians, I just dislike how meat tastes.

[QUOTE=Noob_Reaper;18426154]Why? I'm vegetarian and perfectly healthy. FYI I'm not one of those self righteous vegetarians, I just dislike how meat tastes.[/QUOTE] I eat the food I hate, now man up and go make yourself a stew full of gristle.

[QUOTE=Athelus;18425096] Thirdly, I believe that you are overstating the importance of testosterone The lack of any significant health defects (in fact the reverse) from this diet would signal that this is not nescessarily a dangerous diet. Note that there appear to be no published studies suggesting that testosterone requirement changes with race. [/QUOTE] Hardly. Here's just a few of the problems that can arise from low testosterone: Depression Adipose tissue (bodyfat) gain Increased estrogen levels (counter productive) Exhaustion Increased risk of heart attack Decrease in or absence of libido Erectile dysfunction Sleeping disorders Increased blood pressure Irritability Now also, in the average male population, testosterone levels are far lower across the board than they were 40-50 years ago, and depression is more rampant than ever, people are far more stressed, sleeping disorders rank in the thousands, ED is far higher than ever, etc. Conincidence? I don't know. But I wouldn't put the possibility of low testosterone aside, and it's hardly overstated in it's importance, in fact, I think it's irresponsibly understated. When was the last time you saw something on TV espousing the benefits of getting your test levels checked rather than their same old crap about the latest fad diet that might or might not lead to weight loss? [QUOTE=theenemy;18424899]This is true, there is a lower intake of testosterone as it isn't gained through digestion as it would be with meat. However, it's believed that it is a very small source compared to your body's production and effects are non-existent. If there was a problem with not getting enough ingested testosterone it would already be known through observations and studies.[/QUOTE] In resistance trained athletes following a vegetarian diet and majority of their protein source coming from supplements in the form of whey protein and soy protein isolate, they were found to have a lower average level of free and blood test levels than athletes who consumed a diet rich in red meat and fish. Note the strength levels of these athletes consuming red meat were also greater than that of the vegetarians. Now, in that particular study (which for the life of me, I can't remember where I read it) both groups were intermediate to advanced level resistance training atheletes. So if the difference in free and blood test levels was enough note a significant difference between the groups in such athletes, how big do you think the difference would be the average population, who in all fairness, sit on their ass all day?

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