[QUOTE=kapin_krunch;42787057]Wait, so you can tell if someone has dismantled it? So does that mean you would then void warranty?
I'm only saying this because replacing the hard drive seemed to be a big thing they were going on about, so if doing it voids warranty then it seems a bit dumb they talked about it so much.[/QUOTE]
While sealing devices and voiding warranties on breaking of those seals is and has been standard practice for decades, I highly doubt the hard drive will be under a sealed screw.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42788601]While sealing devices and voiding warranties on breaking of those seals is and has been standard practice for decades, I highly doubt the hard drive will be under a sealed screw.[/QUOTE]
They aren't on the various PS3 models, and seeing as Sony are pushing it as a feature, don't expect it here.
Impressive design, especially compared to the 1st gen ps3. That shit is built like a bunker.
I like how you can easily swap the hdd to any other same form factor hdd while Micro$oft's Xbone
probably requires their expensive special plastic dildo that's just a regular encased hdd.
[editline]7th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;42788601]I highly doubt the hard drive will be under a sealed screw.[/QUOTE]
You can see the plastic lid that you can open without dissembling anything. Then you just slide the HDD out, just like in the ps3.
That motherboard looks way bigger than it needs to be. That HDD is small as shit though. I never realized how thin HDD's have gotten. Always thought those were sort of exclusive to laptops
[QUOTE=TheTalon;42789182]That motherboard looks way bigger than it needs to be. That HDD is small as shit though. I never realized how thin HDD's have gotten. Always thought those were sort of exclusive to laptops[/QUOTE]
I had to find out the hard way with my PS3. I accidentally ordered a 3.5" drive instead of laptop 2.5". Only once I got the HDD out and everything did I go "Oh what the hell it's too big!".
[QUOTE=nVidia;42788792]Impressive design, especially compared to the 1st gen ps3. That shit is built like a bunker.[/quote]
Indeed. I'm quite a fan of things that are well built, and the PS4 looks to be a very well built machine indeed. Only time will tell if the components on that motherboard are as well built as the basic structure and cooling systems, but if they are I forsee a highly reliable machine.
I also dig how you can just replace a faulty power supply in 20-ish minutes, despite said PSU being mounted internally. I wonder if they'll sell standalone PSUs for people who don't care about warranties or are beyond warranty and willing to fix it themselves before scrapping it?
[quote]You can see the plastic lid that you can open without dissembling anything. Then you just slide the HDD out, just like in the ps3.[/QUOTE]
Might be. Might also be held down with one of the four screws at the back. The guy doing the demo did mention that only two of the four screws back there were sealed with a "Warranty void if damaged" sticker, so even if it is screwed in it's likely not under a seal.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42788707]They aren't on the various PS3 models, and seeing as Sony are pushing it as a feature, don't expect it here.[/QUOTE]
Mhm, and it was specifically mentioned that only two of the four screws on the PS4 case are covered with a "Warranty void if broken" steal as well. Even if the cover over it is in fact screwed in it's likely not sealed.[QUOTE=TheTalon;42789182]That motherboard looks way bigger than it needs to be. [/quote]
Nothing wrong with that. The WiFi antenna is built into it, and it being so large means the components can be spread out, which means hotter running components are less likely to cook the ones next to them.
....not that the PS4 is going to have that issue. It seems to me like there was only 15-20 chips in the entire machine, and that they embedded as much as they could onto the CPU die.
[quote] That HDD is small as shit though. I never realized how thin HDD's have gotten. Always thought those were sort of exclusive to laptops[/QUOTE]
Been a standard laptop drive size for years. Rare high-speed desktop platter drives have been that speed(WD Raptors were 2.5" drives in a 3.25" housing for cooling purposes), and most desktop SSDs are 2.5" drives in 3.25" housings just for mounting's sake. Makes for a tightly cramped platter drive, but it's also an industry standard, so it means PS4 users can buy quite literally whatever blooming hard drive they want to. I like it.
Also means they can back their PS4 data saves up by merely plugging the PS4's hard drive into a desktop PC.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42791005]Also means they can back their PS4 data saves up by merely plugging the PS4's hard drive into a desktop PC.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes and no. The format Sony used in the PS3 was pretty unreadable last time I checked, you can obviously read the raw binary, but without the format description it's just noise. I expect them to use another propriety format for the PS4 as well.
I lost so much data because of this.
The PS4 is X86 so I have a feeling PCs will be able to read whatever is on that harddrive fairly easily. Besides, with Sony touting the "Replace your own PS4's harddrive" thing so much I'm sure they'll release an official backup tool that would let you pluck your savegames 'n shit off the old drive from a PC.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42791422]The PS4 is X86 so I have a feeling PCs will be able to read whatever is on that harddrive fairly easily. Besides, with Sony touting the "Replace your own PS4's harddrive" thing so much I'm sure they'll release an official backup tool that would let you pluck your savegames 'n shit off the old drive from a PC.[/QUOTE]
Architecture has little to do with data formatting, it's relatively hardware agnostic. If we are lucky they might use something like FAT (hah), ext, one of the formats PCs understand. But I dunno what they have announced so far. Whatever the PS3 used it made life hell for anyone who suffered the YLoD.
I hope they release some kind of tool at least, it'd be a nice improvement.
Though if people can work out the format writing a Windows/ Linux driver for it wouldn't be too much hell. Windows just about supports ext thanks to that.
i think i might sell my wii-u for a ps4
[QUOTE=kapin_krunch;42787057]Wait, so you can tell if someone has dismantled it? So does that mean you would then void warranty?
I'm only saying this because replacing the hard drive seemed to be a big thing they were going on about, so if doing it voids warranty then it seems a bit dumb they talked about it so much.[/QUOTE]
Does it void warranty if you go out and buy a new PC, then proceed to replace a part in it?
About the save game backups, if you're going to get a PS4, chances are you're probably going to get PS+ as well or already have it, which has online backup for savegames included, quite nifty.
I hope they use ZFS.
[QUOTE=leach139;42787884]My only concern with that design is that to replace the fan (which is arguably one of the most critical components) you have to disassemble literally fucking everything[/QUOTE]
Can't be as bad as a [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpCJzdWxEbQ]HP Pavilion DV5[/url]. The internal design for this console is pretty amazing.
This design is incredibly similar to a PS3 Slim, but with even easier access to the mainboard - considering I fix these things for a living, that makes me very happy
[QUOTE=subenji99;42793699]This design is incredibly similar to a PS3 Slim, but with even easier access to the mainboard - considering I fix these things for a living, that makes me very happy[/QUOTE]
i hope you dont mind that you have to detach the heatsink and reapply thermal paste every time you need to clean the fan
Interesting. Sony has lately been making dis-assembly videos for their products, even the ultrabooks and phones.
Crap, I can't view it.
[QUOTE=meppers;42794088]i hope you dont mind that you have to detach the heatsink and reapply thermal paste every time you need to clean the fan[/QUOTE]
Part of the service anyway
Copyright block :c
[QUOTE=#9EEB14;42797719]Copyright block :c[/QUOTE]
Just download [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM9yJdEp8Rg[/url] with keepvid or some other youtube downloader, it lets you get past most copyright blocks.
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