Feminists ban the word 'bossy'? - General

As always, it seems like they're going for an 'easy' route that doesn't really work, rather than try and examine the meanings behind it all. The word 'bossy' doesn't keep women back from leading. What keeps them back is the sexist attitude that women should be in the 'support' roles rather than pushing forward, despite clear evidence that they're just as capable as men (although some may look at it with a different attitude) at leading people. But whilst many activists do try and show children (and adults) that girls can lead, and try and encourage this from an early age, there seems to be an increasing amount of people who try to fight the symptoms rather than the disease. That said, 'bossy', when I was at primary school, was used almost exclusively in reference to girls from my experience; but again, it's just one of the results of a society which tells men and women that the latter cannot lead, rather than being one of the causes (although it does create a cycle).

Men can be bossy too check mate athiests christians: 0 women: -1 men: 10000000000

How about I use Bitchy instead?

[QUOTE=Midas22;44254897]Men can be bossy too check mate athiests christians: 0 women: -1 men: 10000000000[/QUOTE] office employee: man that guy sure is bossy other office employee: no you can't say that it's banned 17 life sentences 5 lethal injections 10 decades of familial shaming

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44253035]Don't know if this was posted or not. [IMG]http://puu.sh/7xmX5.png[/IMG] [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] He's quite okay. And I don't see why it is? If you explain that people are homogeneous in their brain, that's completely false.[/QUOTE] That tweet misses the point a lot. Its not that someone breaks or is emotionally fragile because of one word. Its because they are discouraged because people are automatically criticizing them because of their gender. The word bossy is just one part of it. An analogous situation is if say a young boy wanted to become a nurse or some other job that is viewed as feminine to that. But instead some people criticism his choice or possibly insult him based purely on his gender. Now he may be discouraged by this, or may not. People would react differently to these situations. The main point of it is that it is still, in some ways, socially acceptable to criticize someone's choice because it doesn't fit their gender.

The problem is they're trying to solve the problem using censorship.

I saw a huge thing on the news about this on a trip to America. I thought it was just some weird ass story on the shit news. Never before have I been so wrong and dissapointed

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;44255325]The problem is they're trying to solve the problem using censorship.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Extronic;44255341]Censorship is never the answer. Also, seems a bit ironic that they are trying to [B]boss[/B] us not to use the word bossy.[/QUOTE] They aren't trying to literally ban the word bossy. Its just the name for a campaign to help encourage young girls to be in leadership positions. [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44255473]THe only thing I can think of is the irony of demanding people ban the word bossy[/QUOTE] jesus christ

THe only thing I can think of is the irony of demanding people ban the word bossy

[QUOTE=Valnar;44255429]They aren't trying to literally ban the word bossy. Its just the name for a campaign to help encourage young girls to be in leadership positions.[/QUOTE] What the- That's like if someone started a campaign called Ban Feminism and the whole objective of the campaign was to spread understanding of proper feminism and encourage more people to be a part of the movement

[QUOTE=Mr.95;44255500]What the- That's like if someone started a campaign called Ban Feminism and the whole objective of the campaign was to spread understanding of proper feminism and encourage more people to be a part of the movement[/QUOTE] No... it isn't like that at all. This is an excerpt from the front page of their website helps define it. [quote]When a little boy asserts himself, he's called a “leader.” Yet when a little girl does the same, she risks being branded “bossy.” Words like bossy send a message: don't raise your hand or speak up. By middle school, girls are less interested in leading than boys—a trend that continues into adulthood. Together we can encourage girls to lead[/quote] Maybe you should look up their website to get a better idea of it? It isn't about literally banning a word.

But it sends out the wrong message to people. Most will just see 'BAN BOSSY FOR FEMINISM' or something, this will not help at all if they are trying to do more then ban bossy...

[QUOTE=Valnar;44255563]No... it isn't like that at all. This is an excerpt from the front page of their website helps define it. Maybe you should look up their website to get a better idea of it? It isn't about literally banning a word.[/QUOTE] Most people aren't going to read their website, they'll just go "haha those crazy feminists think they can get rid of words". If they don't want to literally ban the word bossy, they shouldn't be making that their campaign title. They shouldn't assume that everyone has a proper understanding of basic rhetoric.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;44255834]Most people aren't going to read their website, they'll just go "haha those crazy feminists think they can get rid of words". If they don't want to literally ban the word bossy, they shouldn't be making that their campaign title. They shouldn't assume that everyone has a proper understanding of basic rhetoric.[/QUOTE] Those people who would automatically go "haha those crazy feminists" are probably not really who this campaign are primarily targeting. Also, I understand not everyone would read their website, but if you discussing about it on a thread maybe you should take a moment to actually look it up?

[QUOTE=Valnar;44255563]No... it isn't like that at all. This is an excerpt from the front page of their website helps define it. Maybe you should look up their website to get a better idea of it? It isn't about literally banning a word.[/QUOTE] The point is that the way this initiative is presented is pretty bad. Their goal is fine but the way they are doing it is just weird. And spare the "maybe you should educate yourself before talking on the subject?" shit. Is this the excerpt you were talking about that clearly isn't about banning a word? [IMG]http://s23.postimg.org/di6b6ppvf/boss.jpg[/IMG] Should I mark with red the place where it says that I'm going to support baning bossy and the crossed out word "bossy" similar to the "no smoking sign"? Oh wait it's already in red. I really love how the point of this initiative isn't what it fucking says it is and we are all idiots for thinking it's about what it says it is because we have criticized their [B]supposed[/B] goal. Here's the thing. If you want to make an initiative to make people understand that women should have equal chances in leadership you have to say that this is exactly what your initiative is about. Not say that the initiative is about something different and dumb (like banning a fucking word) and then flip your shit when people say it's stupid because they thought that the initiative is about [I]what you actually fucking said it is. [/I] Why not make a vid when all these women say how they have been discouraged from leader positions and called bossy when their male peers doing the same exact thing were encouraged and called a boss and then point out how unfair it is? Instead we have an initiative that makes itself look like it wants to literally ban a word. [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Valnar;44255929]Those people who would automatically go "haha those crazy feminists" are probably not really who this campaign are primarily targeting.[/QUOTE] I love this excuse. "I'm going to present my position in a confusing way and if someone doesn't understand they were already a lost cause. I will not take any criticism of the way I express myself. Every criticism ever is just hate and it's done either by disguised misogynists or by complete idiots."

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44255993]The point is that the way this initiative is presented is pretty bad. Their goal is fine but the way they are doing it is just weird. And spare the "maybe you should educate yourself before talking on the subject?" shit. Is this the excerpt you were talking about that clearly isn't about banning a word? Should I mark with red the place where it says that I'm going to support baning bossy and the crossed out word "bossy" similar to the "no smoking sign"? Oh wait it's already in red. I really love how the point of this initiative isn't what it fucking says it is and we are all idiots for thinking it's about what it says it is because we have criticized their [B]supposed[/B] goal. Here's the thing. If you want to make an initiative to make people understand that women should have equal chances in leadership you have to say that this is exactly what your initiative is about. Not say that the initiative is about something different and dumb (like banning a fucking word) and then flip your shit when people say it's stupid because they thought that the initiative is about [I]what you actually fucking said it is. [/I] Why not make a vid when all these women say how they have been discouraged from leader positions and called bossy when their male peers doing the same exact thing were encouraged and called a boss and then point out how unfair it is? Instead we have an initiative that makes itself look like it wants to literally ban a word. [/QUOTE] I will concede that criticism of the campaign shouldn't be taken as hate or like that, it wasn't my intention to do that but I see how I have given that impression. Ban Bossy may or may not have been the greatest choice of slogan. My main intention was two-fold. First to say that if you are going to criticize something you should also look beyond just the most literal interpretation possible. I'm not saying that the criticism is invalid or anything, just that it is better to look at it from more than one interpretation. That's where my "maybe you should educate yourself" stance came from. Second there is a lot of people who aren't actually criticizing, but rather using a very limited view of to reinforce their view on feminist in general. I mean the name of the thread and a lot of the posts on the first page really, at least to me, not seem like it was lending itself to provide criticism. [quote] I love this excuse. "I'm going to present my position in a confusing way and if someone doesn't understand they were already a lost cause. I will not take any criticism of the way I express myself. Every criticism ever is just hate and it's done either by disguised misogynists or by complete idiots."[/quote] I really worded that badly. What I meant was that this seems like this campaign is mostly targeting parents of daughters, teachers and young girls. They are the ones who would then spread the message more in depth.

[QUOTE=Valnar;44256471]I will concede that criticism of the campaign shouldn't be taken as hate or like that, it wasn't my intention to do that but I see how I have given that impression. Ban Bossy may or may not have been the greatest choice of slogan. My main intention was two-fold. First to say that if you are going to criticize something you should also look beyond just the most literal interpretation possible. I'm not saying that the criticism is invalid or anything, just that it is better to look at it from more than one interpretation. That's where my "maybe you should educate yourself" stance came from. Second there is a lot of people who aren't actually criticizing, but rather using a very limited view of to reinforce their view on feminist in general. I mean the name of the thread and a lot of the posts on the first page really, at least to me, not seem like it was lending itself to provide criticism.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone here disagrees with the actual goal of this initiative. Everything that's been said about this came from the way this is presented. So as far as talking about the presentation, you don't really need to go further than the vid. And I think most have understood perfectly what the actual goal is, though some might think that they want to achieve the goal by literally banning a word, but lets be straight, that's what they actually said in the vid. [QUOTE=Valnar;44256471]I really worded that badly. What I meant was that this seems like this campaign is mostly targeting parents of daughters, teachers and young girls. They are the ones who would then spread the message more in depth.[/QUOTE] I apologize for taking you for one of the people that make this argument, you really sounded like one at the time. And to the point, clearly stating what the problem is and making people think about the double standard would be much better at gaining support for a movement like this. Regardless of the target audience. This double standard doesn't exist only in schools too.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44257021]I don't think anyone here disagrees with the actual goal of this initiative. Everything that's been said about this came from the way this is presented. So as far as talking about the presentation, you don't really need to go further than the vid. And I think most have understood perfectly what the actual goal is, though some might think that they want to achieve the goal by literally banning a word, but lets be straight, that's what they actually said in the vid. I apologize for taking you for one of the people that make this argument, you really sounded like one at the time. And to the point, clearly stating what the problem is and making people think about the double standard would be much better at gaining support for a movement like this. Regardless of the target audience. This double standard doesn't exist only in schools too.[/QUOTE] A main point behind this campaign though is language which is probably a big reason why they are called ban bossy. The problem is that language such pushy, stubborn, bitchy (although they never mention this one for obvious reasons) and bossy is used to discourage girls. One interpretation of the slogan 'ban bossy' is to put an emphasis on that language aspect that happens. Also ban bossy is somewhat catchy. You are right that the video in the OP does say ban bossy quite a bit, but it also talks about language in general. I mean here is another video from them that shows this point to. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1q1CiuCET8[/URL] This is just my interpretation on their presentation. Edit. Also I want to add on that the whole banning a word thing isn't meant really to be stopping certain words from being used among adults, per say, rather mostly those words being used on children.

How about we all fight for the same goal, killing the problem instead of the results? Kids are mean little shits, and they'll be mean little shits to everything and everyone as long as parents keep their mindset that "bullying builds character" and retarded shit like that. Ban the word "fag", kids will call them "gay", fight "gay", they'll call em' "homos", strike down that, and they'll say "stop having sex backwards you cock swallower". Same thing with being called "fat", "black", "bossy", etc. I've seen this happen, a [I]lot[/I]. Whenever someone asserts themselves, the kids will pull ANY label to "support" their positioning.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;44255473]THe only thing I can think of is the irony of demanding people ban the word bossy[/QUOTE] Keys to "winning" an argument on facepunch. Respond to only the weakest posts, while treating them as the [I] only [/I] opinion/defense offered by the other side. Dumb and or ignore any decent posts/points and hope they go away. Be a mod.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44245358][video=youtube;VwKKi7ApP4I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwKKi7ApP4I[/video] Look, he says that women are biologically different. What a misogynist male pig.[/QUOTE] [quote]'Ban Bossy' has to be one of the mostly poorly thought out campaigns ever. The basic premise is that women lose interest in leadership because they get called bossy when they are children. However if your ambitions of leadership can be destroyed simply by being called bossy, where you ever leadership material in the first place? Secondly, for some reason, they think that women are weaker than men as it being called bossy only destroys the ambitions of women????[/quote] Oh my god seriously? It's not just being called one word. It's being called one word [I]hundreds of times[/I]. Also, it's not that bossy only affects women, it's that [I]women are the only ones called bossy[/I]. I mean, men are called bossy too, but not nearly as often as women. So I mean they're not the [I]only[/I] ones to be [I]exact[/I] but if you were going to throw a fit over that rather than actual points then you may as well shut your computer off right now and go read a book. And of course he brought up and completely misunderstood that 'elevator coffee' thing. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHwduG1Frk&t=4m30s]Watch to understand what really happened.[/url] [QUOTE=krail9;44252903]I can't remember, are this guy's videos usually good or bad? because this one is pretty fucking terrible[/QUOTE] Besides him making "feminism poisons everything" videos and misrepresenting people like Rebecca Watson, there was also that whole [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t#At_Freethought_Blogs]Freethought Blogs incident[/url].

[QUOTE=Last or First;44258690] like Rebecca Watson, there was also that whole [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thunderf00t#At_Freethought_Blogs]Freethought Blogs incident[/url].[/QUOTE] Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers say some pretty nutty things. He really just attacks easy targets.

If they're calling you bossy, how about not being a pushy fucktard and actually try to understand the people working for you. This goes for both genders, if you get power crazy when you get in a position of power, you should not be in a position of power.

[QUOTE=Crimor;44258773]If they're calling you bossy, how about not being a pushy fucktard and actually try to understand the people working for you. This goes for both genders, if you get power crazy when you get in a position of power, you should not be in a position of power.[/QUOTE] But power crazy people are more likely to go after positions of power.

[QUOTE=Crimor;44258773]If they're calling you bossy, how about not being a pushy fucktard and actually try to understand the people working for you. This goes for both genders, if you get power crazy when you get in a position of power, you should not be in a position of power.[/QUOTE] Just so you know, this campaign is aimed towards stopping young girls from getting called pushy, stubborn, bossy etc. when they take up leadership positions. Also encouraging young girls to take be leaders. Like elementary and middle school level. [QUOTE=Thlis;44258922]It's a good thing there aren't more important issues to solve in the world. Thank you Beyoncé, Condoleezza Rice & Jane Lynch, for standing up against this important issue and not getting side tracked with pollution, or famine, or human trafficking.[/QUOTE] That isn't a very strong counter-arguement. There will pretty much always be a 'more important' issue no matter what. Does that mean no issue except for the 'most important' one is ever worth doing something about?

It's a good thing there aren't more important issues to solve in the world. Thank you Beyoncé, Condoleezza Rice & Jane Lynch, for standing up against this important issue and not getting side tracked with pollution, or famine, or human trafficking. Because you know, the thing that keeps me up at night or chills me to the bone isn't the fact that there still exists Holocaust-esque conditions in North Korea or the fact that there are still people living in enslavement or worse. It's the fact that somewhere out there someone was called Bossy and they might have been female. Thank you so much, for challenging a difficult problem that affects the livelihoods of thousands, and not being miserable sack of shit jack offs masturbating to a meaningless "social justice" achievement.

And thank you Thlis for focusing on the real issues by making boring sarcastic posts about feminism on a Garrysmod forum

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44259203]And thank you Thlis for focusing on the real issues by making boring sarcastic posts about feminism on a Garrysmod forum[/QUOTE] Sorry that I get annoyed over money being thrown at something completely irrelevant featuring a cameo from a Former Secretary of State when there are bigger issues in the world. It's a good thing you're here to post a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic post on a Garrysmod forum.

So, what I get from this thread is that, instead of fighting for young girls who are bullied or people who suffer from bullying in general, a couple feminists are fighting against the use of a single word and nothing else. Am I doing good so far or did I miss anything?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44258756]Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers say some pretty nutty things. He really just attacks easy targets.[/QUOTE] What, stuff like "Hey guys, don't follow me into an empty elevator at 4 am and ask me back to your room, especially not when I just spoke at a panel earlier about treating women with respect at these conventions, it makes me uncomfortable"? That totally justifies [url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/08/10/thunderfoots-unethical-obsession/]leaking emails[/url] from private mailing lists he had been kicked out of.