[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43410553']Without evidence to support anything you just said, your assertions are completely irrational and illogical.
Basically, there's no [I]reason[/I] to believe what you believe. What you believe is no more valid than someone else's making up some other sort of make-believe and calling it true. It's no different than believing in the tooth fairy or the moon spirit or the sun god Ra.[/QUOTE]
The alternative is that consciousness is just a delusion. Do you think it's possible to teach somebody to see through that delusion?
[QUOTE=xZippy;43414918]What makes that contradictory..? Because it's something that's unknown?[/QUOTE]
The contradiction lies in the assertion that humans continue on after death but other animals don't even though we have precisely zero proof either way. It's ego.
[editline]4th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=xZippy;43417642]Okay, seriously. What is your actual goal in posting here? Even when you're not replying to someone, you state over and over how illogical religion is and how ridiculous it is to believe in an afterlife like it's the ultimate sin.
Are you trying to convince people? Are you hoping someone can convince you otherwise? Is this a method of venting something out for you?
Religion and belief in an afterlife are pretty senseless, but it's not always as horrible as you keep making it out to be. What you're making things sound like, is that atheism is the only correct way of thinking and any form of religion is pure horror. I agree that atheism is loads better than any religion, but there's negatives to both sides.
Some religious people are better people [I]because[/I] of their beliefs. Regardless of how illogical they are, is it so bad if it makes some people make the world a better place because of it?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm trying to convince people. I'm trying to free them of their oppressive bondage that is religion.
[editline]4th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Audio-Surfer;43418710]The alternative is that consciousness is just a delusion. Do you think it's possible to teach somebody to see through that delusion?[/QUOTE]
Sure it is. Others have learned, so the potential exists for the rest of them to learn.
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43418753']The contradiction lies in the assertion that humans continue on after death but other animals don't even though we have precisely zero proof either way. It's ego.[/quote]
Ego? Not every person who believes in an afterlife thinks they have some unique purpose in life and they have some sort of duty to do. Not everyone has to be balls deep in religion to believe life exists after death. Some people follow little to no religion at all but still think we go somewhere after this life.
[quote]Yes, I'm trying to convince people. I'm trying to free them of their oppressive bondage that is religion.[/quote]
Even if the religion somehow made someone's life insanely better and happier? And on top of that, made them an excellent person? Why "free" them from that?
[QUOTE=xZippy;43418870]Ego? Not every person who believes in an afterlife thinks they have some unique purpose in life and they have some sort of duty to do. Not everyone has to be balls deep in religion to believe life exists after death. Some people follow little to no religion at all but still think we go somewhere after this life.[/quote]
A belief in any sort of afterlife is ego, hubris, arrogance. That was my point, but you know that.
[quote]Even if the religion somehow made someone's life insanely better and happier? And on top of that, made them an excellent person? Why "free" them from that?[/QUOTE]
Yep. They can be an excellent person without religion and they can have a great life without it.
In the afterlife I will be a black metal superstar
"Do you believe in life after death?"
Potentially - But, I mean, it would prove every scientist/doctor wrong if some ghost started saying "hey guys, come to heaven, we got some stakes on the barbie!"
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;43419305]"Do you believe in life after death?"
Potentially - But, I mean, it would prove every scientist/doctor wrong if some ghost started saying "hey guys, come to heaven, we got some stakes on the barbie!"[/QUOTE]
Theoretically, if that did happen, or something along those lines, how would those who saw it prove it to others? Assuming it isn't a pre-scheduled tv interview.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43419612]Theoretically, if that did happen, or something along those lines, how would those who saw it prove it to others? Assuming it isn't a pre-scheduled tv interview.[/QUOTE]
See, that would be the brilliance.
Either the person who say this was hallucinating, or this may of actually happened. If the ghost is not a trick, then... Well... I don't know. Theoretically, if it was just a trick, then the trick would be pretty awesome.
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And if it wasn't recorded, what then?
I would like to believe in life after death. Just the thought that when you die you die is horrible. So I guess you make the most with your life such as spending half your day on Facepunch.
Hasn't it been proven that you trip balls on DMT your body releases for 10 minutes or so when you die?
[QUOTE=Muthenfrucheir;43476826]Hasn't it been proven that you trip balls on DMT your body releases for 10 minutes or so when you die?[/QUOTE]
Yes, more or less.
[QUOTE=Muthenfrucheir;43476826]Hasn't it been proven that you trip balls on DMT your body releases for 10 minutes or so when you die?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, pretty much. Though I've never heard of anyone going through these hallucinations then suddenly have them stop.
Of course we do! The thought of life after death influences the choices we make as we spend our time on this Earth.
To be honest I want to believe like anybody else but who knows! I think it brings a peace of mind to accept your death a la Buddhist philosphies. At the same time completely cold and logical thinking is boring. As long as it doesn't affect anyone I don't see the problem with believing in the after life or putting a sense of child like mysticism into your life in general!
I had a fun theory, what if ghosts are in the 4 dimension! Like 1 dimension is a longitude, the 2nd is latitude, then 3rd altitude, heorynand then 4th is like when you die you travel between universe one which is the spirit world. And thats why theres ghost sightihgs! Cuz ghosts have passed through the 4th dimension of movement and everyonce in a while they're able to percieve that spacial movement for a brief moment! Or maybe only certain people of glimpses of 4th dimensional thinking!
[QUOTE='[BBNH] Jesus;43414369']It's the epitome of arrogance, really, to believe in an afterlife, as if humans are magically different than an amoeba with respect to death. A spirit? A soul? LOL okay.[/QUOTE]
I know I already replied to this quote, but this statement is extremely cocky. I don't think you truly even understood what you said here. This is absolute one-sidedness.
No. Not everyone who believes in an afterlife has the arrogant thought of "I'm a unique person with a mission in life! God has a plan for me! I better follow that plan so I enter heaven!" There's more than one way to approach the thought of an afterlife, and you're assuming there's only one.
Listen, if you were serious about your goal in convincing people out of religion, you aren't doing it. And you won't get far by camping in some Facepunch threads.
[QUOTE=Muthenfrucheir;43476826]Hasn't it been proven that you trip balls on DMT your body releases for 10 minutes or so when you die?[/QUOTE]
I don't believe there is much tripping involved in some certain causes of death.. As in, instantaneous ones.
[QUOTE=xZippy;43484409]I know I already replied to this quote, but this statement is extremely cocky. I don't think you truly even understood what you said here. This is absolute one-sidedness.
No. Not everyone who believes in an afterlife has the arrogant thought of "I'm a unique person with a mission in life! God has a plan for me! I better follow that plan so I enter heaven!" There's more than one way to approach the thought of an afterlife, and you're assuming there's only one.
Listen, if you were serious about your goal in convincing people out of religion, you aren't doing it. And you won't get far by camping in some Facepunch threads.[/QUOTE]
I'll agree that he worded his point poorly, but he isn't talking about the assumed importance of the individual but the assumed importance of the species. Why should we be so special that we are afforded an ability that violates the conservation of energy just so that we don't have to worry about death?
To believe in life after death introduces unnecessary complexity, unless you believe in a religion that mandates it (although I'd argue that also assumes unnecessary complexity, but that's a different debate).
[QUOTE=Ziks;43484684]Why should we be so special that we are afforded an ability that violates the conservation of energy just so that we don't have to worry about death?[/quote]
I personally don't believe that, but what if we [I]were[/I] special enough for that? What's the horror in such a concept?
[quote]To believe in life after death introduces unnecessary complexity, unless you believe in a religion that mandates it (although I'd argue that also assumes unnecessary complexity, but that's a different debate).[/QUOTE]
It doesn't always introduce complexity. That depends on the person. Some people aren't very religious but are still very open to a higher power and an afterlife. Some people's lives and thought process are completely unaffected by this even though they think it exists.
[QUOTE=xZippy;43484815]I personally don't believe that, but what if we [I]were[/I] special enough for that? What's the horror in such a concept?[/QUOTE]
Not horror, obviously I would love to know that somehow my consciousness would persist forever despite the system from which it emerges becoming non-functional. Assuming that perpetual existence wasn't boring or one of constant suffering.
[QUOTE]It doesn't always introduce complexity. That depends on the person. Some people aren't very religious but are still very open to a higher power and an afterlife. Some people's lives and thought process are completely unaffected by this even though they think it exists.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about the complexity perceived by the individual that believes in it, but sadly the cold hard rational objective complexity. How much it deviates from our current understanding of the world.
[QUOTE=xZippy;43484815]I personally don't believe that, but what if we [I]were[/I] special enough for that? What's the horror in such a concept?[/QUOTE]
We are certainly special as a species, no doubt about it. But afterlife is way beyond that. Really it's just an idea, like an entire another fictional universe, except that it isn't really depicted that much.. At least not in films and TV.
To me the word afterlife just translates to death anyway. And as a species we've been through so much death, and horribleness, that each of should know by now that afterlife or no afterlife, dying can be the the final most rewarding thing for you.
The thought of death scares me. I would really like to believe in life after death but I just don't think there is
[QUOTE=Silent Bang;43489017]The thought of death scares me. I would really like to believe in life after death but I just don't think there is[/QUOTE]
There is. You just have to believe in yourself.
There are some interpretations to this idea for a ghost realm. One being that there is a time lapse where what we see or hear is something from a different time that happened in the past or maybe the future. The other thing which might be harder for some doubting people to accept might be that there is such things as life after death and that we each have a soul. Which in my opinion is probably very plausible in the fact that I myself have gotten very weird shit on my cameras and I have tried to debunk them as far as science can explain but it still does not make sense for 3 different cameras all to have the same flaw all at different places and different times.
I believe in LaD, because there is a theory that, your " Software " is some place else and the brain is just an antenna or something...
[QUOTE=dvd_video;43570228]I believe in LaD, because there is a theory that, your " Software " is some place else and the brain is just an antenna or something...[/QUOTE]
Yes, it could very well be. And as far as we can tell, our course of history will move on days/lives after another, and only in death we will truly know. (Or will we?)
Is there even anything to know in or about death that we already don't?
[QUOTE=dvd_video;43570228]I believe in LaD, because there is a theory that, your " Software " is some place else and the brain is just an antenna or something...[/QUOTE]
What theory, where is the "software"? Its ambiguous 'theories' like this that make people believe in things there is just no evidence for.
I don't see why people stress over stuff like this. I understand it's a weird thought for some people that, when you die, you're dead. But honestly, say there is an after-life? Okay, cool, you're there. But, say there isn't? You wouldn't even know, because you're dead. I'm not sure where I stand on the matter. I don't like thinking the fact I'll be gone, and I'd like there to be an afterlife, but I mean it's just logical that there isn't possibly one. So there's my thoughts.
[editline]19th January 2014[/editline]
Also, I don't really care what people do/don't believe in. It's not really affecting me for the most part.
[QUOTE=Exigent;43593972]I don't see why people stress over stuff like this. I understand it's a weird thought for some people that, when you die, you're dead. But honestly, say there is an after-life? Okay, cool, you're there. But, say there isn't? You wouldn't even know, because you're dead. I'm not sure where I stand on the matter. I don't like thinking the fact I'll be gone, and I'd like there to be an afterlife, but I mean it's just logical that there isn't possibly one. So there's my thoughts.
[editline]19th January 2014[/editline]
Also, I don't really care what people do/don't believe in. It's not really affecting me for the most part.[/QUOTE]
Why do you believe the after-life is logically impossible? How do you justify that claim?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43596174]Why do you believe the after-life is logically impossible? How do you justify that claim?[/QUOTE]
well based on the understanding of our brains processes and the results of what they are, we know what "we" are so we know when that dies, it doesn't go anywhere, those interactions and exchanges between neurons is gone and you are as well, but it didn't go anywhere.
There is no evidence to base an afterlife on, I can't say it's truly "impossible" but I see no logical reason to believe in one what so ever
My belief towards that has been said by someone else, but when you die, basically the things that allow you to have consciousness, sight, touch, etc., etc., are dying along with you. It just confuses me how your spirit, or something of the sort would be able to see, hear, or even comprehend an afterlife without eyes, ears, or a brain. Obviously, this vague terms are just a short example, but hopefully you're getting the bigger picture of what I'm trying to get at.
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