I don't really think there's a life after death.
Things like the gyri of the brain (I hope that's the right translation) are physical things which gives you your own personality. So probably you wouldn't be 'you' in this 'life'.
Anyway I think it's possible that you will awake in a new life in the second where your old life ends.
But you can't remember your old life.
Maybe we all already lived several times?
Just a thought of mine.
But it's a kinda complex thought which I can't even explain that good. I have to improve my English skills.
Sure there's life after death, I know it. We've all been someone else in the past, we've even been animals, heck, insects and bacteria too.
I believe that when we die, and while we live, the very essence of yourself is constantly but subtly being exchanged with the "cosmos". When we die though, it happens faster.
We're just part of something bigger.
I suppose I believe that after death, your consciousness lives on for a variable amount of time. Then after a while, you stop thinking.
For the most part, I'm agnostic.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44192132]That's not really what anyone means by life after death. Yes we're all made of atoms from around our solar system, and yes they get recycled and moved around, but that doesn't mean you retain your consciousness.[/QUOTE]
Can you tell me what the function of these souls are? Do they do anything other than cause humans to talk about them?
[QUOTE=Falubii;44192132]That's not really what anyone means by life after death. Yes we're all made of atoms from around our solar system, and yes they get recycled and moved around, but that doesn't mean you retain your consciousness.[/QUOTE]
You should read my earlier post. I'm not going to say it again.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44192132]That's not really what anyone means by life after death. Yes we're all made of atoms from around our solar system, and yes they get recycled and moved around, but that doesn't mean you retain your consciousness.[/QUOTE]
Aw come on, I just wanted to make it sound all spiritual and cosmic and atman-ish for the sake of fun.
Then after a page or two of wild pseudo speculations say I was talking about matter only.
But you had to ruin it.
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[QUOTE=Falubii;44192132]That's not really what anyone means by life after death. Yes we're all made of atoms from around our solar system, and yes they get recycled and moved around, but that doesn't mean you retain your consciousness.[/QUOTE]
we lose our human consciousness, and become part of the chaos our brain filters for us.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;44201351]we lose our human consciousness, and become part of the chaos our brain filters for us.[/QUOTE]
Direct proof?
[QUOTE=xZippy;44238584]Direct proof?[/QUOTE]
there is no need for proof, the path to this knowledge is not something you can learn in one day because someone on a forum tries to explain.
all you need to know, there are people that know and practice it for personal gain. and then there's the people that abuse that knowledge with religions.
nothing is black or white.
understanding only comes if you tune in, find what YOU think is important.
but don't let the ego guide you, because that is not the pure born you.
my way are the Buddhist ways, i cant choose your path.
But memento mori
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[QUOTE=xZippy;44238584]Direct proof?[/QUOTE]
I think he's trying to say our bodies decompose (rotting).
indeed, death is the end of the human experience
I'm not quite sure, but I do know that dog heaven is for real.
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Ehh yeah I've kinda been raised into the Tao, Buddhist and Hindu things.. so sorta reincarnation for me.. not like "omg I'll be a tiger in my next life" but more like "consciousness is something that is universal and flows through each and every living thing" .. So basically when you die, your being will spread to different entities.
I don't know, feels logical to me.. but probally waaay out there for most of you guys.
Never really thought about it much.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;44255879]indeed, death is the end of the human experience[/QUOTE]
So basically, just the classical "you're dead. no afterlife. nothing." statement. Yeah?
Isn't it obvious that believing in an after-life, even one you made up yourself, makes dealing with death a lot easier? People say it is not logical but I think that is perfectly logical. Not only for dealing with your own mortality but also when losing others close to you.
Some people literally NEED an after-life and some do not.
I was raised to believe in an after-life and I no longer do. Dead is dead, my girlfriend can't stand it.
[QUOTE=xZippy;44258708]So basically, just the classical "you're dead. no afterlife. nothing." statement. Yeah?[/QUOTE]
What else could there possibly be?
The only way I see it being possible would be through extremely sophisticated technology, and even then it wouldn't exactly be afterlife in any sense.
Considering how much people change after certain brain injuries, I hope not, considering that your entire brain is shut down upon death.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;44260203]The only way I see it being possible would be through extremely sophisticated technology, and even then it wouldn't exactly be afterlife in any sense.[/QUOTE]
Some of this technology presumably already exists. Though if it somehow proved an afterlife existed, would you bother believing it?
This is something that leaves this thread in a permanent redundant merry-go-round of arguments.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;44260330]Considering how much people change after certain brain injuries, I hope not, considering that your entire brain is shut down upon death.[/QUOTE]
One would like to believe these people didn't change all over a hallucination they had.
[QUOTE=xZippy;44263561]Some of this technology presumably already exists. Though if it somehow proved an afterlife existed, would you bother believing it?
This is something that leaves this thread in a permanent redundant merry-go-round of arguments.
One would like to believe these people didn't change all over a hallucination they had.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, what technology already exists? And how would it prove afterlife, when it even has nothing to do with it?
And it wouldn't be a matter of belief at that point if afterlife was somehow proven to be true..?
Anyway, nothing indicates that "afterlife" exists.. It's just a baseless assumption that you can't even begin to rationalize.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;44264400]Anyway, nothing indicates that "afterlife" exists.. It's just a baseless assumption that you can't even begin to rationalize.[/QUOTE]
To put it lightly... no shit? It's like I've repeated in this thread a thousand times. If one did it exist, you still couldn't prove it to a point where it's indisputable because these are two different planes of existence we're talking about.
You can't create some "afterlife detection machine". All you would have to go on is a bunch NDE's of people, but even then, it can all be dismissed with hallucinations.
[QUOTE=xZippy;44258708]So basically, just the classical "you're dead. no afterlife. nothing." statement. Yeah?[/QUOTE]
Not basically just that.
Just an afterlife beyond human comprehension, and has little to do with humanity.
It is a thing for every living organism, we are not so special as you may think.
We are merely a tiny part of the big picture of which that has no name in our linguistics, and the reason for that is simple.
A baby cant understand, it has to grow up and see the world for itself.
We don't wake up from death and we cant bring back anything from the ''next'' , your current life is an unique experience and it can never be repeated.
Be free to do with it as you please, have love for all and be just to the ones that interfere with your experience
Direct proof? wait till your time comes (or not) , you'll have your proof soon enough.
As last thing i want to say that there is no need to debate this subject, everyone has a free mind and everyone is right.
There is no real truth, only real wisdom. Too bad i have not seen much wisdom in this thread, just people that argue over being right, or wanting proof.
About something that is only interesting as an philosophical subject.
those who argue are far from the truth; Understanding
think about that
[QUOTE=xZippy;44269979]To put it lightly... no shit? It's like I've repeated in this thread a thousand times. If one did it exist, you still couldn't prove it to a point where it's indisputable because these are two different planes of existence we're talking about.
You can't create some "afterlife detection machine". All you would have to go on is a bunch NDE's of people, but even then, it can all be dismissed with hallucinations.[/QUOTE]
The problem comes from two vastly different mind sets looking at the problem.
These mindsets are known as "Monist" and "Dualist". Dualists believe there is an element to the mind and body that is distinctly detached from the physical form. Monists believe we are one entity that is itself, a whole capable of sentient though.
Dualism is baseless and pointless to believe in at the current time, feel free to do so but it has no logical reasoning to believe so.
Yeah, it's a merry go round but there's just no reason to believe things without justification IMO.
What makes people believe that consciousness exists? When somebody believes in something, it's usually because they perceive it or because they are told it exists. What is the "thing" that people "see" that they think is "consciousness"?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44271232]The problem comes from two vastly different mind sets looking at the problem.
These mindsets are known as "Monist" and "Dualist". Dualists believe there is an element to the mind and body that is distinctly detached from the physical form. Monists believe we are one entity that is itself, a whole capable of sentient though.
Dualism is baseless and pointless to believe in at the current time, feel free to do so but it has no logical reasoning to believe so.
Yeah, it's a merry go round but there's just no reason to believe things without justification IMO.[/QUOTE]
Yes, good.. that kinda concludes it for me. Also yes, the feeling that we've been through this a thousand times is mutual indeed, to zippy as well.
I can kinda see the Dualist's mindset that clearly we have some non-physical spiritual power that is basically keeping our bodies lit up until it escapes, but then again a scientist would probably say that the "power" comes from within our bodily functions working together, and could come up with pretty strong evidence against it that way.
[QUOTE=Audio-Surfer;44274997]What makes people believe that consciousness exists? When somebody believes in something, it's usually because they perceive it or because they are told it exists. What is the "thing" that people "see" that they think is "consciousness"?[/QUOTE]
Well i believe that conciousness can be seperated from body. Since i have done astral traveling i have gone outside of my body and can walk around in the 4th dimension. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane[/url]
[QUOTE=InfoWarrior;44287823]Well i believe that conciousness can be seperated from body. Since i have done astral traveling i have gone outside of my body and can walk around in the 4th dimension. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane[/url][/QUOTE]
So you have a fairly vivid imagination?
[QUOTE=InfoWarrior;44287823]Well i believe that conciousness can be seperated from body. Since i have done astral traveling i have gone outside of my body and can walk around in the 4th dimension. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_plane[/URL][/QUOTE]
Anecdotes mean little to absolutely nothing, gonna need some solid evidence that this isn't just the usual pseudoscience that deluded cranks love to spread around.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;44275742]Yes, good.. that kinda concludes it for me. Also yes, the feeling that we've been through this a thousand times is mutual indeed, to zippy as well.[/QUOTE]
What is your goal in this thread? Are you waiting for people to come in and state "well I mean an afterlife is possible" just to argue it?
HumanAbyss, I'm sorry I asked you that question many times. I really should have saved them for Bat-shit or Explosions.
[QUOTE=Ziks;44288203]So you have a fairly vivid imagination?[/QUOTE]
The idea that a person's mind is purely the result of physical attributes is equally imaginative, it is not like you can really base such a claim off of any evidence without first assuming that the mind is purely physical.
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