A very long time ago, someone once told me that he believed that when you died, there was blackness and at what seems at a distance, a bright light. You are speeding towards this light and the moment you hit it, you are reborn as something.
I like to think that must be what it's like - I close my eyes for the last time and I am born somewhere else, in some other form, with no recollection of my past life. I truly don't want to be stuck in some sort of afterlife limbo where I have to spend the rest of my immortal, bodyless self ruminating on my past life for all eternity.
Well basically after death you are in the same state as before you were born/conceived so I don't think theres anything that would prevent it from happening again
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Reynolds_case[/url]
I'm not posting this as "concrete proof", but still, it fits the thread's topic.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42380684][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Reynolds_case[/url]
I'm not posting this as "concrete proof", but still, it fits the thread's topic.[/QUOTE]
Do you think there is life after death?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42380950]Do you think there is life after death?[/QUOTE]
Not sure, I'm in the neutral area. Might be nice if there was, but we'll all find out for sure eventually.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42380684][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Reynolds_case[/url]
I'm not posting this as "concrete proof", but still, it fits the thread's topic.[/QUOTE]
Near-death experiences can be recreated by injecting Ketamine into your bloodstream.
NDEs don't remotely begin to prove that there's an afterlife.
[QUOTE=Levithan;42381032]NDEs don't remotely begin to prove that there's an afterlife.[/QUOTE]
I do kind of agree there, but let's say you're standing right in front of those who claimed they had NDE's, and also say they were outside of their bodies watching doctors doing whatever they did, and the doctors were all like "Yeah, that stuff [i]did[/i] happen!" What would you say to them?
[QUOTE=xZippy;42381020]Not sure, I'm in the neutral area. Might be nice if there was, but we'll all find out for sure eventually.[/QUOTE]
Actually if you died and there was no life after death, you would never know.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42382778]I do kind of agree there, but let's say you're standing right in front of those who claimed they had NDE's, and also say they were outside of their bodies watching doctors doing whatever they did, and the doctors were all like "Yeah, that stuff [i]did[/i] happen!" What would you say to them?[/QUOTE]
That hasn't happened to my knowledge.
[QUOTE=Jookia;42389182]That hasn't happened to my knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Uhhhh... what hasn't happened?
[QUOTE=xZippy;42391553]Uhhhh... what hasn't happened?[/QUOTE]
Your scenario.
[QUOTE=Jookia;42391591]Your scenario.[/QUOTE]
It presumably happened hundreds of times. One of them being in that link I posted earlier. Though the key word here is "presumably" as it still isn't indisputable evidence.
I don't often know if I would want to live forever in this life or the next. However one question that's always been suspicious to me is why we of all things if we are animals are sentient, when while I suppose to an extent it would help survival it doesn't entirely and more over threatens us in a sense with inventions like war and things.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42391632]It presumably happened hundreds of times. One of them being in that link I posted earlier. Though the key word here is "presumably" as it still isn't indisputable evidence.[/QUOTE]
Although it's not really any backing for a theory.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;42392800]I don't often know if I would want to live forever in this life or the next. However one question that's always been suspicious to me is why we of all things if we are animals are sentient, when while I suppose to an extent it would help survival it doesn't entirely and more over threatens us in a sense with inventions like war and things.[/QUOTE]
Intelligence is an evolved trait and is not unique to humans.
I believe our spirit, or soul, exists after departing this shell. I found 'Proof of Heaven', authored by Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, very compelling.
[QUOTE=Cik;42398491]I believe our spirit, or soul, exists after departing this shell. I found 'Proof of Heaven', authored by Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, very compelling.[/QUOTE]
yeah, a guy having a near death experience, coming out of a coma, and writing a book and calling it proof isn't proof.
He flat out lied in the writing of the book so good job buying into a scam.
"In an article, titled ‘The Prophet’ in the August issue of Esquire, contributing editor Luke Dittrich claims to have found inaccuracies in Dr. Alexander’s story.
In one chapter Dr. Alexander writes about screaming out ‘God help me!’, a claim contradicted by the emergency room physician treating him that day.
Dr. Laura Potter said she had no recollection of him crying out, plus she had intubated him – making it impossible for him to speak.
Alexander also writes that he slipped into the coma as a result of E. coli bacterial meningitis and had no higher brain activity, while Dr. Potter says the coma was medically induced and the patient was conscious, though hallucinating.
The Esquire article also accuses Alexander of falsifying medical records to cover up the fact that he’d operated at the wrong site on a patient’s spine when working as a neurosurgeon."
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42398593]
He flat out lied in the writing of the book so good job buying into a scam. [/QUOTE]
So, in "your" world, "your"opinion is the only one that matters. I see...lol.
[QUOTE=Cik;42398931]So, in "your" world, "your"opinion is the only one that matters. I see...lol.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you literally read nothing he posted after that.
[QUOTE=Cik;42398931]So, in "your" world, "your"opinion is the only one that matters. I see...lol.[/QUOTE]
No.
He lied about events in the book that happened whilst he was comatose. he lied about the actual type of coma he had. he lied about more than that.
and what kind of "debating" is that? you just acted like a damn child
[QUOTE=Cik;42398491]I believe our spirit, or soul, exists after departing this shell. I found 'Proof of Heaven', authored by Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, very compelling.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't that guy accused of not fully being in a coma? I don't know the story behind that. Maybe it was someone else.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42398593]yeah, a guy having a near death experience, coming out of a coma, and writing a book and calling it proof isn't proof.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's possible he believed in the soul before reading the book, and the book just added to it. Or at the very least, the book was just a good read period.
[QUOTE=theVendetta;42366452]I believe you die. The universe continues, the universe eventually dies, the universe then restarts, a new big bang, a new you. You then live a life very similar to the one you have lived for all eternity. This would also be why we have the feeling of déjà vu.[/QUOTE]
So, how many Universes have there been then? Which Universe is the current on-going one, is it the 1st, 2nd, or the 3000th?
[editline]4th October 2013[/editline]
As for soul, soul is just you. Every living thing with eyes, nose and ears has a soul. During your lifetime, your "soul" will see some shit, and then it will dissipate through death.
The scientific equivalent of soul would simply be consciousness. Soul also has usually something to do with being a particularly good or a bad person.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;42400956]As for soul, soul is just you. Every living thing with eyes, nose and ears has a soul. During your lifetime, your "soul" will see some shit, and then it will dissipate through death.[/quote]
And what indisputable evidence is there that proves that your consciousness/soul dissipates and goes nowhere after death?
[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;42371316]But from a religious point of view, heaven or hell don't have to physically exist in our universe or dimension or whatever.[/QUOTE]
It shouldn't even mean anything in a modern person's world view to say that something exists outside of the universe, though. The universe is the totality of all things. If it's not in the universe, it doesn't exist. And if it's part of the universe, it's causally linked to everything else in it so we should be able to observe it. There's no point positing the existence of anything that doesn't play a role in explaining the world in this day and age. It's just bad philosophy and if you care about that sort of thing you should reject it. And if you don't care about it, there's no point engaging in debate.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42401416]And what indisputable evidence is there that proves that your consciousness/soul dissipates and goes nowhere after death?[/QUOTE]
What reason do you have to believe that it goes somewhere? I see no reason it would so logically, until you can show that, why believe it
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42401589]What reason do you have to believe that it goes somewhere? I see no reason it would so logically, until you can show that, why believe it[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying an afterlife exists nor that it doesn't, I just want to know how he's 100% sure that there's nothing after death.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42401416]And what indisputable evidence is there that proves that your consciousness/soul dissipates and goes nowhere after death?[/QUOTE]
Well okay, there is no indisputable evidence, but there are few assumptions we can safely make:
First of all, even if our souls or consciousness went somewhere after death, the living population wouldn't know any better.
And second of all, even if our souls didn't go anywhere, we STILL wouldn't know any better. And we probably never will.
So it creates a dilemma of sorts..
[QUOTE=xZippy;42401690]I'm not saying an afterlife exists nor that it doesn't, I just want to know how he's 100% sure that there's nothing after death.[/QUOTE]
no one can be sure of anything on that scale
hell, you can't even be sure you really, truly exist, so what is the point in this line of reasoning.
I see no reason to assume it exists without some evidence, so I take the point of view that it's most likely not true because I can only live by what I know to be most likely true. as soon as you can prove the afterlife, and the soul or something leaving the body, then I'll change my view, but I see no reason why anyone should see it the other way until that evidence is shown.
Also, clearly this mythical realm of afterlife doesn't have a problem with overpopulation because there are at least 90 billion dead people "living" in there.
I beleive that when someone dies, their mind and soul and whatnot goes into a pre-born baby.
That is called reincarnation, right?
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