[QUOTE=Smell;42403405]I beleive that when someone dies, their mind and soul and whatnot goes into a pre-born baby.
That is called reincarnation, right?[/QUOTE]
I think that's called stupid actually.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;42401790]Also, clearly this mythical realm of afterlife doesn't have a problem with overpopulation because there are at least 90 billion dead people "living" in there.[/QUOTE]
The afterlife realm might not follow the same physical "rules" as this one. Though one can't help but make that comparison because this world is the only one we know about.
[QUOTE=Falubii;42403969][QUOTE=Smell;42403405]I beleive that when someone dies, their mind and soul and whatnot goes into a pre-born baby.
That is called reincarnation, right?[/QUOTE]
I think that's called stupid actually.[/QUOTE]
I'd call it fucking horrible. I think I'd rather die and go nowhere than to experience the worst things in life over and over.
[QUOTE=Smell;42403405]I beleive that when someone dies, their mind and soul and whatnot goes into a pre-born baby.
That is called reincarnation, right?[/QUOTE]
But that's the same as saying that new people simply get born because none of us seem to remember any of our previous lives, but yeah it's sort of like reincarnation I'd say.
[QUOTE=xZippy;42405779]The afterlife realm might not follow the same physical "rules" as this one. Though one can't help but make that comparison because this world is the only one we know about.
I'd call it fucking horrible. I think I'd rather die and go nowhere than to experience the worst things in life over and over.[/QUOTE]
I would rather die, and be gone forever, than live forever essentially removing all value my life once had.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42409198]I would rather die, and be gone forever, than live forever essentially removing all value my life once had.[/QUOTE]
Your life [i]once[/i] had? What is value, to you? I'm just wondering, because I would disagree because to me the value in my life is simply how I've impacted others in a positive way. Sharing my connection to other people and to the world around me. And in the case of reincarnation, I don't think that means just because you're reincarnated your previous life's impact or value has been lost. You could very well have helped other "souls" along the way. But if value to you is something different (which very well could be) then you might be right in your context.
This isn't what I believe by the way, just something that I thought about.
[QUOTE=zacht_180;42410582]Your life [i]once[/i] had? What is value, to you? I'm just wondering, because I would disagree because to me the value in my life is simply how I've impacted others in a positive way. Sharing my connection to other people and to the world around me. And in the case of reincarnation, I don't think that means just because you're reincarnated your previous life's impact or value has been lost. You could very well have helped other "souls" along the way. But if value to you is something different (which very well could be) then you might be right in your context.
This isn't what I believe by the way, just something that I thought about.[/QUOTE]
If for instance, I die, and go to live in heaven, this means several things to me. First off, it means that my lifetime is going to be infinite. This means that nothing I did in the confines of a time constrained life has meaning because now I'm immortal, and may do whatever I please, and learn whatever I please(within the confines of heaven), and will eventually have done it all. The events and adventures of my life that I chose to go on over doing other things have no meanings because of this, in my eyes, that value of an infinite life is less than that of a finite one. A finite resource is more valuable than an infinite one in a sense. I think that's an important distinction to make when talking about heaven and an afterlife.
For reincarnation I don't think it's the same kind of deal. You're reincarnated, but you're not in possession of memories, or anything. You may end up in an entirely different life situation, which will form you to be an entirely different person. You are nothing alike who you once were. So in essence, you're not you, you're just the same soul. whatever that means.
Here's my theory on life after death, I call it "Time immemorial...eventual"
Basically, it goes along these lines. If our universe reaches a point in which it stops expanding, and eventually retracts into the singularity from whenceforth it came, then re-bounds, creating another big-bang event, the composition/velocity of atoms is randomized. This cycle may give rise to life, it may not. But eventually, it's going to give rise to the same life, all of the atoms that made up some eternity ago you, will fall into the exact same place (at the very least those dealing with your consciousness, which is now widely regarded as being a physical thing). The probability of this happening each rebound is significantly, infinitesimally small. But eventually, it may happen.
An easy visualization of this is shaking a boggle-board. In order to create consciousness, you need the N, the C, the I, and the V to be a box in the center. You currently have that combination, shake it enough times (try an infinite amount, considering the infinite nature model of the universe now), and you'll likely get the same combination.
But there's allot of waiting around to do, or is there? From your point of view, you die, then you'd come back to life. You wouldn't know it, because the chances of the atoms that made up your exact memories prior to your new rebound-life is even more unlikely to happen. But probably will eventually.
Why have the multiverse, when you can have all possible combinations in this universe, given time? You'll be an alien, you'll be a frog, you'll be you on the earth you know it as today.
An afterlife for the secularist? I don't know. Just my contemplations while being bored in class.
But the universe is speeding up its expansion . It won't retract.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42414025]But the universe is speeding up its expansion . It won't retract.[/QUOTE]
Yes yes, continually expands, reaches near absolute zero. But I vaguely remember watching some documentary starting Michio Kaku that stated the contrary may happen after a certain point.
Remember it's a hypothesis not a theory. You should get the semantics correct if you're going to be invoking scientific ideas in your argument.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42412674]If for instance, I die, and go to live in heaven, this means several things to me. First off, it means that my lifetime is going to be infinite. This means that nothing I did in the confines of a time constrained life has meaning because now I'm immortal, and may do whatever I please, and learn whatever I please(within the confines of heaven), and will eventually have done it all. The events and adventures of my life that I chose to go on over doing other things have no meanings because of this, in my eyes, that value of an infinite life is less than that of a finite one. A finite resource is more valuable than an infinite one in a sense. I think that's an important distinction to make when talking about heaven and an afterlife.
For reincarnation I don't think it's the same kind of deal. You're reincarnated, but you're not in possession of memories, or anything. You may end up in an entirely different life situation, which will form you to be an entirely different person. You are nothing alike who you once were. So in essence, you're not you, you're just the same soul. whatever that means.[/QUOTE]
Oh okay I understand. Yeah I thought maybe you were referring to reincarnation instead of an everlasting heaven of sorts.
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I believe when you die, you are reborn into a Ramen noodle
[QUOTE=Archeroc;42422795]I believe when you die, you are reborn into a Ramen noodle[/QUOTE]
t'changes everything!
that would certainly explain the substantial increase in ramen population.....
theres not really any reason not to believe in life after death, if you die and your wrong well...your done you cese to exist, if you die and find something afterwards, then awsome
[QUOTE=Sableye;42477762]that would certainly explain the substantial increase in ramen population.....
theres not really any reason not to believe in life after death, if you die and your wrong well...your done you cese to exist, if you die and find something afterwards, then awsome[/QUOTE]
I think people thinking this life isn't important because there's another, ultimately better life awaiting you
I believe something happens. I'm not sure whether it be I go to heaven or hell or something completely different, but I think your "soul" or consciousness goes on.
Why do people think the human brain is something so special that it can be considered it's own "energy"
[QUOTE=Niklas;42514051]Why do people think the human brain is something so special that it can be considered it's own "energy"[/QUOTE]
I really don't get this either; consciousness and intelligence are just interactions in the brain, when those interactions stop you're dead and that's it. There's not really anything fancy about it
there's no after death
Actually there is a book very rational about it, read it carefully proves the existence of spirits, the book was released in 1857 in France, at the time that was historically popular the phenomenon "table-turning" the book today is most famous in Brazil, but the study is seriously by people all over the world, and already anticipated many scientific knowledge, if you want to take the issue seriously I recommend the work is legally free today, and you can easily find the internet.
The name of the book is "THE SPIRITS 'BOOK" and the author is Allan Kardec, a scientist at the time.
[QUOTE=Ftcv;42536353]
The name of the book is "THE SPIRITS 'BOOK" and the author is Allan Kardec, a scientist at the time.[/QUOTE]
[quote]As a teacher with little scientific background (he had never attended a university), Rivail (his real name) decided to do his own research. Not being a medium himself, he compiled a list of questions and began working with mediums and channelers to put them to spirits. Soon the quality of the communications, allegedly with spirits, appeared to improve.[/quote]
Certainly doesn't sound like a scientist to me. And this was taken from his wikipedia page which appears to be bias in his favor.
A scientist in a broad sense, refers to any person who performs a systematic activity to acquire knowledge, right?
And in fact, he was very involved in the academic world, and was graduated in Science and Letters.
He wrote books on chemistry, physics, astronomy, physiology, mathematics and pedagogy. Even earning the gold medal awarded by the Royal Society of Arras, in the contest held in 1831, on education and teaching.
But not escape the topic, even forgetting about his biography, and focusing on his main work, the value is indescutivel philosophical and even scientific basis of the book of spirits. I really recommend reading it, even though the title of curiosity.
You can access the work [URL="http://www.allankardec.com/Allan_Kardec/Le_livre_des_esprits/lesp_us.pdf"]here[/URL].
Anyway, he said that at some point science prove something wrong in your work, then should we listen to science! I think it gives a little credit.
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I'm Brazilian and I'm struggling, I hope it's readable.
If there's no life after death (Or at least if you think there isn't) then... Daaaamn life's depressing.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;42537040]If there's no life after death (Or at least if you think there isn't) then... Daaaamn life's depressing.[/QUOTE]
no
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42537069]no[/QUOTE]
How is that not depressing? You're born, grow up, get old, see your friends die, and bam: You're worm food.
Nothing else goes on in your legacy unless you make some sort of major difference in the world, write a book (An extremely important/noted one.), or something along those lines.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;42537149]How is that not depressing? You're born, grow up, get old, see your friends die, and bam: You're worm food.
Nothing else goes on in your legacy unless you make some sort of major difference in the world, write a book (An extremely important/noted one.), or something along those lines.[/QUOTE]
so what's uplifting about eternal, never ending life? nothing will have any meaning and you will eventually hate what that has become with no end.
I don't need an everlasting legacy. I'll die, that's fine. My friends and family will remember me, when they die, then i'm truly dead.
Something being shitty in life is no reason to look at it and dismiss it.
[QUOTE=Ftcv;42536814]A scientist in a broad sense, refers to any person who performs a systematic activity to acquire knowledge, right?
And in fact, he was very involved in the academic world, and was graduated in Science and Letters.
He wrote books on chemistry, physics, astronomy, physiology, mathematics and pedagogy. Even earning the gold medal awarded by the Royal Society of Arras, in the contest held in 1831, on education and teaching.
But not escape the topic, even forgetting about his biography, and focusing on his main work, the value is indescutivel philosophical and even scientific basis of the book of spirits. I really recommend reading it, even though the title of curiosity.
You can access the work [URL="http://www.allankardec.com/Allan_Kardec/Le_livre_des_esprits/lesp_us.pdf"]here[/URL].
Anyway, he said that at some point science prove something wrong in your work, then should we listen to science! I think it gives a little credit.
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I'm Brazilian and I'm struggling, I hope it's readable.[/QUOTE]
He's only a scientist if the closed-minded people on this forum can agree with him.
[QUOTE=H2OJesus;42537372]He's only a scientist if the closed-minded people on this forum can agree with him.[/QUOTE]
No.
Most science in the 1800s is officially classified as pseudo science. That study is pseudo science. It has nothing to do with how we feel about it that affects this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42537266]so what's uplifting about eternal, never ending life? nothing will have any meaning and you will eventually hate what that has become with no end.
I don't need an everlasting legacy. I'll die, that's fine. My friends and family will remember me, when they die, then i'm truly dead.
Something being shitty in life is no reason to look at it and dismiss it.[/QUOTE]
I used to think like that too. Then I realized that logically if I were to go to heaven, there would have to be some way to make it so I was happy with no end. Hard to comprehend, but think about it... if there's a higher power capable of things we can't even begin to imagine, shouldn't he/she be able to make us eternally happy? After all, happiness is just an emotion caused by chemicals in the brain. What if we kept a maximum amount of these chemicals in our brain active? It's just a thought. I'm not a scientist and don't claim to be.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42537422]No.
Most science in the 1800s is officially classified as pseudo science. That study is pseudo science. It has nothing to do with how we feel about it that affects this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm sure if there was a study tomorrow showing proof for the "impossible", you would dismiss it in a heartbeat because it went against what you believe. Or because of the whole "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" BS. There probably never will be enough evidence to prove these kinds of things. Hell, even your almighty Big Bang Theory you guys seem to worship isn't conclusive in the slightest. It just "makes more sense."
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