Do You Believe in 'Life after Death'? - General

[QUOTE=xZippy;42578051]Is there 100% proof that an afterlife [I]doesn't[/I] exist?[/QUOTE] if you want to continue this argument, please take notes. You are suggesting that there is something. You have NO evidence for this "Something". Until you have some evidence that can be checked against itself, I have no reason to say there is any afterlife. I can not disprove one. But I have no logical reasoning to believe in it. This is how logic works and you are saying no.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42579122]You are suggesting that there is something. You have NO evidence for this "Something".[/quote] I haven't said outright that there's an afterlife. I'm just questioning people who don't believe in it. I get it, there's no evidence for an afterlife, but not having evidence doesn't make it not exist. [quote]Until you have some evidence that can be checked against itself, I have no reason to say there is any afterlife. I can not disprove one. But I have no logical reasoning to believe in it.[/quote] There's a difference between saying "I don't think an afterlife exists because I don't see much reason to think otherwise." and just flat out saying "Nope. An afterlife doesn't exist." like you already got the facts locked down. [quote]This is how logic works and you are saying no.[/QUOTE] I am?

There is no evidence of it. In the abscence of evidence you are saying it is wrong to say it doesn't exist, and while it may be to openly discount it 100%, logically, it has no basis and not believing in it and even having serious doubt it could exist is entirely reasonable. Why is it reasonable in the face of 0 evidence to claim it may exist? You need some evidence for that. You have none. No you are not outright stating it but you have made it clear that if you doubt it then you're illogical in your mind

[QUOTE=xZippy;42578051]Is there 100% proof that an afterlife [I]doesn't[/I] exist?[/QUOTE] You have to prove the afterlife exists. We start with nothing. If you make the statement X exists, you have to prove it.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42578051]Is there 100% proof that an afterlife [I]doesn't[/I] exist?[/QUOTE] Best excuse of most religious people. [i]"Can you prove that there is no god?[/i] - No, but can you prove that there [i]is[/i] a god? I had that exact conversation with a believer once. On my question if she can prove that a god does exist and where he comes from she simply answered [i]"God has always been there."[/i] after thinking for a moment... [quote]The flesh and bones — the empty vessel — is left behind, but the energy survives.[/quote] Well even if that "energy" survives...what about if it simply turns into thermal energy?

[QUOTE=aliensoldier;42581335]Best excuse of most religious people. [i]"Can you prove that there is no god?[/i] - No, but can you prove that there [i]is[/i] a god?[/quote] Some might also say that "creation is proof of a creator". Some might mention Earth being too elaborately setup to just be something that science farted out. I'm not taking the side of religious people, but there have been better excuses than just saying that you can't prove god doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42581951]Some might also say that "creation is proof of a creator". Some might mention Earth being too elaborately setup to just be something that science farted out. I'm not taking the side of religious people, but there have been better excuses than just saying that you can't prove god doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Science didn't create it, nature did, science just proved nature created it.

[QUOTE=IncogMouse;42581994]Science didn't create it, nature did, science just proved nature created it.[/QUOTE] What happened before the universe? Where did it start?

[QUOTE=xZippy;42582015]What happened before the universe? Where did it start?[/QUOTE] Nothing, because time was created with the universe, so asking "What happened before the universe" is meaningless because there was no before.

Please don't waste my or anyone else's time with the lack of a concrete alternative for the existence of the universe besides god being proof of god. It is not evidence of anything. Seriously.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42582026]Nothing, because time was created with the universe, so asking "What happened before the universe" is meaningless because there was no before.[/QUOTE] Alright, so planets and black holes just got conjured out of nowhere? [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42582037]Please don't waste my or anyone else's time with the lack of a concrete alternative for the existence of the universe besides god being proof of god. It is not evidence of anything. Seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm not really mentioning that as evidence.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42582041]Alright, so planets and black holes just got conjured out of nowhere?[/QUOTE] Being unable to answer this question is proof that a very human concept "god", is the most likely answer? No. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=xZippy;42582041]Alright, so planets and black holes just got conjured out of nowhere? I'm not really mentioning that as evidence.[/QUOTE] Then what are you mentioning it as? A commentary on us not knowing or thinking about it?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42582049]Being unable to answer this question is proof that a very human concept "god", is the most likely answer? No.[/quote] Not really. I just want to see IncogMouse's or Sobotnik's answer to that.

They'll likely say the same thing. That we have ideas and our various ways to look at it but nothing we can validate as an indisputable proof as to exactly how it came to be. Science doesn't work like that. Science tests our ideas until they break, then we try and fix them around what this. It isn't like we claim to be right over anything, just that god is an unlikely answer that requires far more baseless assumptions than the opposite.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42582041]Alright, so planets and black holes just got conjured out of nowhere?[/QUOTE] No, because black holes and planets didn't come into existence until a great number of years after the big bang.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42575757]Is every single post you make in this thread gonna be flooded with sarcasm? And what makes you sure it's just "your brain playing a trick"? Have you had this same experience?[/QUOTE] Okay, where do you go after floating above yourself then? Floating further and further away until.. what, you're dead? And you will stay that way, in the eyes and the minds of the living anyway.

I do not really believe in any sort of life after death, but there is this one thing that I find pretty weird. You are not able to find one native tribe that does not have a story about a spirit of a fallen tribe member that is going through their camp from time to time. Even though these tribes are thousands of miles away from eachother, and have no communication between eachother or the "modern life", they ALL have these kind of stories.

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;42537149]How is that not depressing? You're born, grow up, get old, see your friends die, and bam: You're worm food. Nothing else goes on in your legacy unless you make some sort of major difference in the world, write a book (An extremely important/noted one.), or something along those lines.[/QUOTE] And that's why you try to make the most of it, after you're dead there's only two things that could happen: There's no life after death so you won't give a damn after you're dead or there is something after death (which I find hard to believe btw) like reincarnation, ascension, etc and then it's not over so you have nothing to worry about either. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=larz;42586450]I do not really believe in any sort of life after death, but there is this one thing that I find pretty weird. You are not able to find one native tribe that does not have a story about a spirit of a fallen tribe member that is going through their camp from time to time. Even though these tribes are thousands of miles away from eachother, and have no communication between eachother or the "modern life", they ALL have these kind of stories.[/QUOTE] That could be easily explained by people not wanting to say goodbye to the memory of their loved ones, we're all human after all and our brain works mostly the same way, we don't like to lose friends, family, etc so our brains try to deal with it be it through hallucinations, dreams, etc depending on the pain that the loss causes us.

[QUOTE=Technopath;42586658] That could be easily explained by people not wanting to say goodbye to the memory of their loved ones, we're all human after all and our brain works mostly the same way, we don't like to lose friends, family, etc so our brains try to deal with it be it through hallucinations, dreams, etc depending on the pain that the loss causes us.[/QUOTE] That is obviously one way to look at it, but it still doesn't mean it's the correct way. They do not only have simple stories of how they saw their dead family members appearing, but their stories are very elaborative and can also match with other stories at parts when you compare them. And as I previously mentioned, I do not believe in life after death, but it's an interesting theory

Humans around the world are biologically similar and as we've seen through multiple cultures being similar but never having a chance at contact as far as we know, I'd chalk that up to human biology and the limitations it may have in unseen ways.

I don't think there's a single positive thing I can say about the existence of an afterlife without falling on the "It must be proven first, but until then, there's no perfect reason to believe it's there" line. Hypothetically, let's say that an afterlife exists, but even then, how could there ever be a legitimate way to prove it?

[QUOTE=xZippy;42593000]I don't think there's a single positive thing I can say about the existence of an afterlife without falling on the "It must be proven first, but until then, there's no perfect reason to believe it's there" line. Hypothetically, let's say that an afterlife exists, but even then, how could there ever be a legitimate way to prove it?[/QUOTE] Doesn't make sense. "X exists" "How do you know this without any evidence to go on?" Like, going off gut feelings is a silly idea.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42593095]Doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE] Please tell me how that didn't make sense.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42593243]Please tell me how that didn't make sense.[/QUOTE] Because your assertion is baseless and impossible to truly disprove it is senseless to assert it as an idea until you have proof. Proof of it doesn't exist so how can we know what form it would take for an entirely baseless idea

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42568813] So you think every, single video of UFO footage is authentic?[/QUOTE] Not at all. But it doesn't mean every single video is fake.

[QUOTE=xZippy;42593000]Hypothetically, let's say that an afterlife exists, but even then, how could there ever be a legitimate way to prove it?[/QUOTE] There is no legitimate way to prove it.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;42596355]There is no legitimate way to prove it.[/QUOTE] I doubt there will ever be a way to prove it, unless the "After Life" is a physical place.

And especially if after life is meant for the dead only, then, duh? Kinda hard to prove it as a living being. Also, what about other non-human animals? Surely by science and logic they should be subject to afterlife as well, but not if you ask most people. This itself is sort of proof against the idea of afterlife.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;42596830]And especially if after life is meant for the dead only, then, duh? Kinda hard to prove it as a living being.[/quote] That's kind of amazing. I make a statement that actually goes with everyone's been saying to me and people still find a way to shoot it down a bit. [quote]Also, what about other non-human animals? Surely by science and logic they should be subject to afterlife as well, but not if you ask most people. This itself is sort of proof against the idea of afterlife.[/QUOTE] Wait what now? How is animals existing "proof against an afterlife"..?

Alan Watts brings a pretty good dessert to the table when it comes to this topic. Here are two videos that are very interesting. Of course it's only a philosophy so don't mistake me by saying I agree with this. It's just neat to see all the possabilities of nature. (warning, corny music) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCFoJ0aywc[/url] (the more popular one; self motivation-like) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I[/url]