[QUOTE=Catscratch;45232613]So I hope this wasn't previously posted a long time but I found this neat little text adventure app-game thing where you get to be a dragon :3
[url]https://www.choiceofgames.com/dragon/[/url][/QUOTE]
I remember I played this on my iPhone forever ago.
Great little game.
Sssetheliss best name.
no, superdragon 5 million
There's HTTYD 2 posters plastered all the fuck over Vancouver.
Dragon Invasion, yo.
Its time
So, I had an idea. Everyone here has their own reason for liking dragons. However, I was wondering if there's an overall trend, and thought you guys might be curious as well. So here's a quick survey:
[url]http://strawpoll.me/2003865[/url]
I think the answers will be pretty evenly spread; our reasons for liking dragons are diverse. Either way, should be interesting.
[QUOTE=Siminov;45232543]Absolutely love that drawing, is there any more by that artist?[/QUOTE]
Colour version:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/3a7FqeV.png[/t]
[url=http://www.furaffinity.net/user/keihound/]Artist[/url]
[QUOTE=Mudkipslol;45235375]Colour version:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/3a7FqeV.png[/t]
[url=http://www.furaffinity.net/user/keihound/]Artist[/url][/QUOTE]
He actually reminds me of my own character.
wow I haven't been here in a coons age
what did I miss?
[QUOTE=Mudkipslol;45235375]Colour version:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/3a7FqeV.png[/t]
[url=http://www.furaffinity.net/user/keihound/]Artist[/url][/QUOTE]
Think the colouring could have been a bit better, but still, He just looks so cuddly!
[QUOTE=zydos;45235440]wow I haven't been here in a coons age
what did I miss?[/QUOTE]
Dragons.
[QUOTE=Catscratch;45232613]So I hope this wasn't previously posted a long time but I found this neat little text adventure app-game thing where you get to be a dragon :3
[url]https://www.choiceofgames.com/dragon/[/url][/QUOTE]
It reminds me of a SFW and really short version of Corruption of Champions...
On about CoC, it does have some pretty detailed dragon (and other furry) erotica.
[QUOTE=OldTyrant;45237182]It reminds me of a SFW and really short version of Corruption of Champions...
On about CoC, it does have some pretty detailed dragon (and other furry) erotica.[/QUOTE]
On that note the guy behind that is making a new game called Tits, unfortunately it doesn't seem to have any dragons thus far though on the flipside the game now looks and plays like an actual game unlike CoC, hell give me a writer and ill program you CoC in a week :B
anyway here, its a bit old but im pretty sure no ones posted about this guy
[IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/QA5qs4b.png[/IMG_thumb]
Corgi dragon~
[QUOTE=OldTyrant;45237182]It reminds me of a SFW and really short version of Corruption of Champions...
On about CoC, it does have some pretty detailed dragon (and other furry) erotica.[/QUOTE]
Yes I'm very well aware of CoC...
[editline]28th June 2014[/editline]
I'm loving this Dragon game so much lol
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9NWIn/372999750d.png[/IMG]
oh wait damn :c
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9NX53/32f015c3c7.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;45227642]If you want to get that technical, you can pretty much scrap dragon as a flying creature completely :v:
I get what you mean though.[/QUOTE]
kinda a late reply...
Yea... But there are a few things that perhaps can make dragons at least plausible, in a fantasy world.
On the technical aspect, a dragon's pectoralis major, latissimus dorsi, deltoid and perhaps even trapezius muscle must specialized and be connected to their wings, and perhaps have secondary, smaller ones for their front limbs.
Presumably, they should be able to 'lock' their wings to reduce the energy costs of soaring flight [URL="http://faculty.weber.edu/rmeyers/meyers-albatross.pdf"]like an albatross.[/URL]
To supply the high oxygen demand of flight, they should also have [URL="http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/birdrespiration.html"]bird-like lungs[/URL] (skip down to around 40% through the thing for animations). This would also reduce their weight, as it renders parts of their organs hollow with air. Of course, it also makes them more susceptible to damage. Note that [URL="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/30/elephant-sized-dinosaur-had-bird-like-lungs/"]a dinosaur has been found with bird-like lungs[/URL], so it's not ENTIRELY out of the question...
We can also assume that a dragon uses its magical prowess to help itself stay in the air, assisting muscles in moving the air to stay up.
Also, that 'thumb' on the wing's hand? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alula"]That's easily an airplane's spoiler, allowing for slow flight, or allowing for easier takeoffs and landings.[/URL]
Of course, where it does fall apart are the metabolic speeds/limits of reptilian creatures, assuming that a dragon is a reptile and assuming that it is cold-blooded. And as mentioned before, where does a dragon get enough energy to fly?
The length of a dragon's body is typically ridiculous. That's a lot of weight, especially with a long tail.
Their wings should also be pretty long assuming that they glide more than flap (and generally, a bigger a flying bird is, the less they flap and the more they glide). [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(aerodynamics)#Aspect_ratio_of_aircraft_wings"]Generally, the higher the aspect ratio is, the more gliding.[/URL]
A bird's aspect ratio is generally less than an airplanes due to the physical limitations of bones and flesh. Anyway...
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading#Range_of_wing_loadings"]Then we get to wing loading.[/URL] Again, birds have an upper limit of about 5 pounds per square feet (25 kg/sq m). We take that into account when we create a dragon's wings and wingspan.
(oh yea. [URL="http://www.earthlife.net/mammals/bat-flight.html"]this too.[/URL])
But yea, thoughts. Heh.
[QUOTE=brooklynlord;45240617]kinda a late reply...
Yea... But there are a few things that perhaps can make dragons at least plausible, in a fantasy world.
On the technical aspect, a dragon's pectoralis major, latissimus dorsi, deltoid and perhaps even trapezius muscle must specialized and be connected to their wings, and perhaps have secondary, smaller ones for their front limbs.
Presumably, they should be able to 'lock' their wings to reduce the energy costs of soaring flight [URL="http://faculty.weber.edu/rmeyers/meyers-albatross.pdf"]like an albatross.[/URL]
To supply the high oxygen demand of flight, they should also have [URL="http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/birdrespiration.html"]bird-like lungs[/URL] (skip down to around 40% through the thing for animations). This would also reduce their weight, as it renders parts of their organs hollow with air. Of course, it also makes them more susceptible to damage. Note that [URL="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/30/elephant-sized-dinosaur-had-bird-like-lungs/"]a dinosaur has been found with bird-like lungs[/URL], so it's not ENTIRELY out of the question...
We can also assume that a dragon uses its magical prowess to help itself stay in the air, assisting muscles in moving the air to stay up.
Also, that 'thumb' on the wing's hand? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alula"]That's easily an airplane's spoiler, allowing for slow flight, or allowing for easier takeoffs and landings.[/URL]
Of course, where it does fall apart are the metabolic speeds/limits of reptilian creatures, assuming that a dragon is a reptile and assuming that it is cold-blooded. And as mentioned before, where does a dragon get enough energy to fly?
The length of a dragon's body is typically ridiculous. That's a lot of weight, especially with a long tail.
Their wings should also be pretty long assuming that they glide more than flap (and generally, a bigger a flying bird is, the less they flap and the more they glide). [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(aerodynamics)#Aspect_ratio_of_aircraft_wings"]Generally, the higher the aspect ratio is, the more gliding.[/URL]
A bird's aspect ratio is generally less than an airplanes due to the physical limitations of bones and flesh. Anyway...
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading#Range_of_wing_loadings"]Then we get to wing loading.[/URL] Again, birds have an upper limit of about 5 pounds per square feet (25 kg/sq m). We take that into account when we create a dragon's wings and wingspan.
But yea, thoughts. Heh.[/QUOTE]
This sounds like a job for simulation software. Give it a set of variables and have it make the best creature. We already do it for industrial design, why not biological design?
Driving my boyfriend to work I noticed an advertisement for tofu with HTTYD packaging. Now I need to hunt that down and buy some because that's the most ridiculous tie-in I've seen for a while.
I wanna have a DnD session where the rule is you are only allowed to be races from this book
[img]http://www.tritex-games.co.uk/js/plugins/imagemanager/files/products_roleplay/DD_Races_Dragon_3.5.jpg[/img]
It'll be the dragoneyist game ever
[QUOTE=brooklynlord;45240617]kinda a late reply...
Yea... But there are a few things that perhaps can make dragons at least plausible, in a fantasy world.
On the technical aspect, a dragon's pectoralis major, latissimus dorsi, deltoid and perhaps even trapezius muscle must specialized and be connected to their wings, and perhaps have secondary, smaller ones for their front limbs.
Presumably, they should be able to 'lock' their wings to reduce the energy costs of soaring flight [URL="http://faculty.weber.edu/rmeyers/meyers-albatross.pdf"]like an albatross.[/URL]
To supply the high oxygen demand of flight, they should also have [URL="http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/birdrespiration.html"]bird-like lungs[/URL] (skip down to around 40% through the thing for animations). This would also reduce their weight, as it renders parts of their organs hollow with air. Of course, it also makes them more susceptible to damage. Note that [URL="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/30/elephant-sized-dinosaur-had-bird-like-lungs/"]a dinosaur has been found with bird-like lungs[/URL], so it's not ENTIRELY out of the question...
We can also assume that a dragon uses its magical prowess to help itself stay in the air, assisting muscles in moving the air to stay up.
Also, that 'thumb' on the wing's hand? [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alula"]That's easily an airplane's spoiler, allowing for slow flight, or allowing for easier takeoffs and landings.[/URL]
Of course, where it does fall apart are the metabolic speeds/limits of reptilian creatures, assuming that a dragon is a reptile and assuming that it is cold-blooded. And as mentioned before, where does a dragon get enough energy to fly?
The length of a dragon's body is typically ridiculous. That's a lot of weight, especially with a long tail.
Their wings should also be pretty long assuming that they glide more than flap (and generally, a bigger a flying bird is, the less they flap and the more they glide). [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(aerodynamics)#Aspect_ratio_of_aircraft_wings"]Generally, the higher the aspect ratio is, the more gliding.[/URL]
A bird's aspect ratio is generally less than an airplanes due to the physical limitations of bones and flesh. Anyway...
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading#Range_of_wing_loadings"]Then we get to wing loading.[/URL] Again, birds have an upper limit of about 5 pounds per square feet (25 kg/sq m). We take that into account when we create a dragon's wings and wingspan.
(oh yea. [URL="http://www.earthlife.net/mammals/bat-flight.html"]this too.[/URL])
But yea, thoughts. Heh.[/QUOTE]
great points but we're still not sure if dinosaurs were even cold/warm/lukewarm/hot blooded, assuming they might have the same metabolism as dinosaurs then that might work out better, they probably could fly much like WoW's dragons where its a mix of soaring and flapping, often involving circling around much like albatrosses
the point of the tail is often understood to be a stabalizer or for balancing purposes, HTTYD's tail flaps probably make more sense here too
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;45227642]If you want to get that technical, you can pretty much scrap dragon as a flying creature completely :v:
I get what you mean though.[/QUOTE]
Quetzalcoatlus.
But seriously, who says a dragon has to be massive? Something around the size of a human or slightly smaller could easily fly and have enough support for an "extra" pair of legs (compared to a bird, that is).
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;45241165]Quetzalcoatlus.
But seriously, who says a dragon has to be massive? Something around the size of a human or slightly smaller could easily fly and have enough support for an "extra" pair of legs (compared to a bird, that is).[/QUOTE]
I've actually done the calculations for a flying humanoid dragon.
Assuming that he is around 7.5 feet tall, weighs ~200 pounds (taking in account wings and tail), his wings need around a 26 feet wingspan from tip to tip to get a wing area of about ~75 sq ft to give him a wing loading of around 2.5-2.8 pounds per square feet, which is within the upper limit of bird wing loading.
Yes, I did intentionally give him a longer wingspan solely for a higher aspect ratio for better gliding, and less wing loading. It does however, decrease maneuverability. A smaller wingspan will allow for quicker maneuvers at the cost of more difficult takeoffs and landings. But, can't they just pull their wingtips inwards to decrease wing area/wingspan?
I guess I have biases, because these numbers might be a bit skewed. The main one would be wingspan, since the character in question has an incredibly long wingspan in comparison to your typical anthro dragon.
Then again... these numbers are for my book. The specific race's normal wingspan is 20 feet for realistic wing loading. For those who aren't into somewhat-hard novels... i guess you can disregard it.
Another thing which skews these results is the [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquareCubeLaw"]square-cube law,[/URL] as this character is also quite tall compared to some anthro dragons. I did use a BMI calculator to check on realistic weight, then added quite a few pounds for wings and tail.
So... yeah. just more information.
[editline]28th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sableye;45241021]great points but we're still not sure if dinosaurs were even cold/warm/lukewarm/hot blooded, assuming they might have the same metabolism as dinosaurs then that might work out better, they probably could fly much like WoW's dragons where its a mix of soaring and flapping, often involving circling around much like albatrosses
the point of the tail is often understood to be a stabalizer or for balancing purposes, HTTYD's tail flaps probably make more sense here too[/QUOTE]
The tail definitely helps stabilize flight like the feathers on an arrow. But my point is that it doesn't need to be thick; a thick tail adds much unneeded weight.
another problem would be bone structure. Birds have [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keel_(bird_anatomy)"]keels[/URL] which anchor their specialized pectoralis major flight muscles. Anthro dragons would have problems as their flight muscles would have to reach around their arms to their connect to the front, or have to deal with connecting to the sides of their rib cages. Of course, they can just use their biceps of the wing limb to continue the motion of flapping, but that makes it a bit energy-inefficient.
A full 'normal' dragon tends to have a protrusion on their chests like a keel, so we can assume that a wing's primary flight muscles can be attached there. Again, it runs into the problem of having to reach around their front legs/claws/arms, but it's a much better anchor point than the sides of the rib cage.
There's plenty of ways to make flying dragons work, but they couldn't be big on Earth. Certainly not big enough for a human to ride. The physics and biology just aren't there.
Ironically, the shoulder dragon is a pretty realistic size for them. They'd be similar to birds of prey: they'd eat the same stuff, have really strong feet with hooked talons, and they'd have great eyesight.
But there's no reason you can't have big dragons on a different planet with, say, a denser atmosphere and lighter gravity. Then you could have huge flying jellyfish, floating plants/algae, and dragons the size of blue whales! Mountains and hills could be much steeper and taller, and almost every animal would be able to fly to some degree. The ones that couldn't would have to be gargantuan. It would be an alien world, indeed. Maybe a fun worldbuilding project for someone with the time.
[QUOTE=Smashmaster;45241578]There's plenty of ways to make flying dragons work, but they couldn't be big on Earth. Certainly not big enough for a human to ride. The physics and biology just aren't there.
Ironically, the shoulder dragon is a pretty realistic size for them. They'd be similar to birds of prey: they'd eat the same stuff, have really strong feet with hooked talons, and they'd have great eyesight.
But there's no reason you can't have big dragons on a different planet with, say, a denser atmosphere and lighter gravity. Then you could have huge flying jellyfish, floating plants/algae, and dragons the size of blue whales! Mountains and hills could be much steeper and taller, and almost every animal would be able to fly to some degree. The ones that couldn't would have to be gargantuan. It would be an alien world, indeed. Maybe a fun worldbuilding project for someone with the time.[/QUOTE]
The physics of the square-cube law works against dragons and any large flying creature. Except the ones that float (Blimps benefit massively from the square-cube law; they have unmatched aerial luxury to this day).
There's a couple problems about a world with a thicker atmosphere and less gravity. You need a decently strong magnetosphere, and to get one, the planet needs an iron core. That iron core is heavy. If the magnetosphere isn't strong enough, the atmosphere will be blown off from solar wind (like mercury).
Of course, the heavier the core (stronger magnetosphere), the higher the gravity.
So you'll have to strike a balance between them.
I wouldn't be so sure about everything flying. The stars would still have to supply all the energy for plants to grow, and primary consumers have to eat them, etc. Plants would float if they are less dense than air... and considering that most of living things are water, the chances aren't that high. I mean, we don't have very many floating plants here do we?
What lower gravity and denser atmosphere should do is increase the upper weight/size limit of flying creatures.
You're over thinking it.
Its magic, aint gotta explain shit
you guys are assuming earth gravity though, what if its a planet/world with either a denser atmosphere or lower gravity
[URL="http://tira-owl.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Dragon-462893225"][IMG]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/174/a/1/fire_dragon_by_tira_owl-d7nlep5.png[/IMG][/URL]
YOU DON'T NEED ANY Explanation OTHER THAN THEY'RE MOTHER FUCKIGN DRAGONS
RAAAAAAAAAAAAWHR
Kinda off the current discussion here, damn I haven't logged in for more than two years. Glad to know the group and thread still exists with all it's charm and rrerr.
Hai guys
[T]https://static1.e621.net/data/8e/62/8e623595f191b1e322245673a99ac4e1.png[/T]
By the way, any of you know/recommend an artist that does relatively cheap commissions? I've been looking but have become stumped on said subject recently.
[QUOTE=Jumbo_Grill;45243518]Kinda off the current discussion here, damn I haven't logged in for more than two years. Glad to know the group and thread still exists with all it's charm and rrerr.[/QUOTE]
well, more charm, less rrerr now
Figured out some of you might find this interesting.
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14281695/1404043956997.jpg[/IMG]
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