Deli Life v.7- salami is on sale. We've sold out of spaghet - General

[QUOTE=Wulfram;39503013]I'm very much pro-advancement and transhumanism and things like that, but I can totally see were felix is coming from. Some people just dont care beyond the scope of their lives and theres nothing wrong with that. NPH, you're coming off as an asshole here.[/QUOTE] I apologize, I think the viewpoint is ignorant. I can respect where he's coming from and I mean NO personal disrespect by it, it's just the viewpoint itself.

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39502709]Because the deterrent system worked so well in WWI[/QUOTE] the difference is that if nuclear weapons were being used, it would essentially end up with global destruction rather then smaller nation to nation wars. nuclear weapons are a pretty fucking good deterrent. no offence but you are coming off as being really ignorant lol.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;39503024]I apologize, I think the viewpoint is ignorant. I can respect where he's coming from and I mean NO personal disrespect by it, it's just the viewpoint itself.[/QUOTE] "HEY NO OFFENSE BUT I THINK YOUR VIEWPOINT IS IGNORANT WHICH INFERS THAT YOU'RE IGNORANT FOR HAVING THAT VIEW POINT BUT DON'T BE OFFENDED BECAUSE I SAID 'NO OFFENSE'"

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39502734]Humans don't need to progress.[/QUOTE] you are right, we should go back to the hunter-gatherer way of life

Yes. We should.

Yes I think some of your views are ignorant. Thank you for pointing that out. You can take offense to it, but I don't think any less of you for it. We have different priorities in life. That's fine, you think I'm delusional by thinking I can help the human race as a whole, I think you're ignorant for not trying. I'm not saying "man felix is a fucking dick what a scumbag"

Explain to me what was wrong with that and why the current status of human life is better

[QUOTE=Apache249;39503016]Speaking of mountain biking, how are you on jumps? I find myself struggling to find the courage to hit bigger jumps. Probably has something to do with me fucking up my knee on one of my first jumps right after I started. [editline]6th February 2013[/editline] Yes, as in fighter pilot, but that's not really up to me, now is it?[/QUOTE] Practice/Drive/Natural talent are all ya need. With enough of one of those you can do it. The other two will help. As in everything. Well getting a dropper seatpost helped a whole lot for drop-OFFS, but as far as jumps go, in Arkansas we really don't have those intimidating jumps with gaps. No real nice trails molded by more experienced guys. No big jumps here. I've been riding around on campus a lot and the other day I rode this wall and hopped off of it. There's a slightly graded downhill walkway with retaining walls alongside it, and the walls start about 2 inches high and as you go down the hill they stay level and thus increase in height to about 3 feet. If you fell you'd just topple over onto the walkway. I rode the wall to its highest point and just sorta hopped off of the wall and landed on the walkway. Normally would have pussied out but had just watched a redbull MTB video. Nothing very extreme though. Wish I had FS, hardtails let you know when you make mistakes, that's for sure! [QUOTE=felix the cat;39503062]Explain to me what was wrong with that and why the current status of human life is better[/QUOTE] Aside from knowing the lesiure of many aspects of modern life, I have to agree. We would all be so in shape, be overall WAY more healthy in every way, particularly in terms of the amount of stress we have to handle nowadays. We wouldn't be miserable not knowing what doesn't exist. Let's all move underground and begin a new population aboveground which me monitor to make sure they don't develop too much :v:...

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503062]Explain to me what was wrong with that and why the current status of human life is better[/QUOTE] longer lives, low infant mortality rates, better care for the poor, universal healthcare yeah who needs it

[QUOTE=Stupideye;39503048]you are right, we should go back to the hunter-gatherer way of life[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=felix the cat;39502748] Explain to me WHY humans [I]need[/I] to progress. [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] Why would the world be worse off if human beings did not progress. [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] In fact, I move that the world would be infinitely better off if humans never progressed passed hunter gatherer societies[/QUOTE] [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Stupideye;39503072]longer lives, low infant mortality rates, better care for the poor, universal healthcare yeah who needs it[/QUOTE] There would be no rich or poor. Why do you need to live longer? The world is overpopulated, because modern medicine has eliminated many natural ways that the population was kept in check, which is also partly why we're stripping resources from earth too quickly

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503062]Explain to me what was wrong with that and why the current status of human life is better[/QUOTE] Longer life span, higher rate of survival, better quality of life, constant technological advancement that makes life better BUT there is more gender discrimination, social classes, political hierarchy oncoming global climate issues (not like early humans didnt have to deal with climate issues a lot though), and the threat of nukes and biological weapons [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] I remember my favorite history teacher would always reference a book written by a guy that has your point of view and I cant remember his name or the name of the book but it was all about how humans were better off during per-agricultural society [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] TBH, I agree to a point, but humanity advancing as a species is inevitable. [editline]7th February 2013[/editline] Also I would rather live the life I am now than be living day to day hoping I dont get gored by my next meal

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503073] There would be no rich or poor.[/QUOTE] assuming you mean no political or economical progress, that would pretty much equal unregulated capitalism.. you can probably figure out how that fairy tale ends [QUOTE=felix the cat;39503073] Why do you need to live longer? The world is overpopulated, because modern medicine has eliminated many natural ways that the population was kept in check, which is also partly why we're stripping resources from earth too quickly[/QUOTE] I'm not even sure how to respond to this one, I probably thought similarly when I was 12 and had no clue how the world worked. I guess dying at 30-40 means you can live a fulfilling life?

[QUOTE=CottonTM;39503064]Practice/Drive/Natural talent are all ya need. With enough of one of those you can do it. The other two will help. As in everything.[/QUOTE] I was referring to the "ace" part of what I said. It's not like pilots just go off picking fights at their own accord. :v: Also, FS is only really useful if you really, really, really need it. Although I do wish I had a trail bike.

Statistically speaking, the average member of a hunter-gather tribe worked for less than 35 hours a week and could acquire almost anything they wanted with little more than hard work. In addition, living in a world with no pollution, trash, and light pollution sounds pretty fucking incredible, despite the other hardships that people had to face. I don't know if it would be better than the modern world we live in, but it sure would be interesting, and you'd probably see some amazingly beautiful landscapes.

not even sure how things could [B]not[/B] progress tbh, the argument itself doesn't even make sense

[QUOTE=Wulfram;39503085]Longer life span, higher rate of survival, better quality of life, constant technological advancement that makes life better BUT there is more gender discrimination, social classes, political hierarchy oncoming global climate issues (not like early humans didnt have to deal with climate issues a lot though), and the threat of nukes and biological weapons[/quote] already addressed most of that, but "better quality of life" is highly relative and debatable. [quote] TBH, I agree to a point, but humanity advancing as a species is inevitable. [/QUOTE] I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that advancement is not, nor maybe ever was, necessarily a good thing. And I don't believe continuing to advance will change that.

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503073][editline]7th February 2013[/editline] There would be no rich or poor. Why do you need to live longer? The world is overpopulated, because modern medicine has eliminated many natural ways that the population was kept in check, which is also partly why we're stripping resources from earth too quickly[/QUOTE] Being rich or poor does not necessarily mean you've got alot of money. There will always be a lower, middle and upper class. There has not been a single socioeconomic system that hasn't had that factor in, maybe on paper but not in practice. The world is not overpopulated. We have plenty of food, plenty of water, plenty of resources to distribute and with which we can maintain a LOT of people. What the issue is is that we can't get it to those who actually need it, the entire food/water supply is disproportionate, incomplete or otherwise malformed. We're stripped resources from the Earth too quickly because of greed and inefficiency, not because the Earth can't support our population comfortably. It can. We just need to be smarter about how we utilize it.

Thats the reason why it could never happen. Even during the dark ages there were still technological and scientific advancement.

why aren't you guys listening to me I said we'd live underground and make sure they didn't progress hurr THIS IS GOD YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A MISTAKE THAT WILL LEAD TO YOUR DESCENDANTS' DEMISE if they don't listen *pewpewpew foolproof

[QUOTE=Stupideye;39503101] I'm not even sure how to respond to this one, I probably thought similarly when I was 12 and had no clue how the world worked. I guess dying at 30-40 means you can live a fulfilling life?[/QUOTE] Or perhaps you thought that before you'd been shaped and conditioned and were still more open minded. I think there are plenty of people who live less that 30 or 40 years who live more fulfilling lives than people who live to be 80 or 90

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503119] I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that advancement is not, nor maybe ever was, necessarily a good thing. And I don't believe continuing to advance will change that.[/QUOTE] The thing is you cant stop it. Nothing can stop it. Humanity as a whole is like a virus that does nothing but consume and replicate. It has mutated to the point where nothing will stop it without it self terminating itself. Even then it will still linger and may even get back to the point it was and repeat the cycle.

[QUOTE=Wulfram;39503142]The thing is you cant stop it. Nothing can stop it. Humanity as a whole is like a virus that does nothing but consume and replicate. It has mutated to the point where nothing will stop it without it self terminating itself. Even then it will still linger and may even get back to the point it was and repeat the cycle.[/QUOTE] dude pessimistic as fuck

It's getting uncomfortably pseudo-philosophical in here.

[QUOTE=felix the cat;39503138]Or perhaps you thought that before you'd been shaped and conditioned and were still more open minded. I think there are plenty of people who live less that 30 or 40 years who live more fulfilling lives than people who live to be 80 or 90[/QUOTE] That's a personal issue. The brain measures your life in terms of novel events, things like the first time you rode your bike, that birthday you got a car, the death of a loved one, the trip you went to Alaska, and so on. You can live just as much in the latter years of your life by just having more of these experiences, take trips, see your family, do THINGS. Life will seem to be going slower the more things you do for yourself, and it'll skip by if you don't do anything neat at all ever. You can live a life just as fully as an adult as a kid if, once again, you utilize it. Old age is not a curse.

[QUOTE=Apache249;39503154]It's getting uncomfortably pseudo-philosophical in here.[/QUOTE] Me in this debate: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BUf71iF.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Tark;39503166]Old age is not a curse.[/QUOTE] What about things that come with old age such as erectile dysfunction and arthritis?

I tried to stay out of it and it failed. going to retry now.

[QUOTE=Tark;39503166]That's a personal issue. The brain measures your life in terms of novel events, things like the first time you rode your bike, that birthday you got a car, the death of a loved one, the trip you went to Alaska, and so on. You can live just as much in the latter years of your life by just having more of these experiences, take trips, see your family, do THINGS. Life will seem to be going slower the more things you do for yourself, and it'll skip by if you don't do anything neat at all ever. You can live a life just as fully as an adult as a kid if, once again, you utilize it. Old age is not a curse.[/QUOTE] Yes, I agree with that. What I'm saying is that simply living longer does not make life more fulfilling

[QUOTE=Apache249;39503176]What about things that come with old age such as erectile dysfunction and arthritis?[/QUOTE] Can be mitigated through lifestyle choices, or that medication thing that lets people live more comfortably and is unnatural!

[QUOTE=Tark;39503193]Can be mitigated through lifestyle choices, or that medication thing that lets people live more comfortably and is unnatural![/QUOTE] herbs bro