"Understanding the Zoepost" - Abuse Survivor's Look at Zoe Quinn - General

[QUOTE=Reimu;46041968]Looks like somebody didn't watch the video! Did you even know that cheating only pops up two or three times in all of those 55 minutes, and the only context it appears in is in relation to blame shifting and guilt tripping when confronted about wrongdoings in the relationship? I'm guessing you didn't since you obviously have zero understanding of what was in the video. Hint: I'm not a rando, I'm an abuse survivor and Zoe Quinn hangs out in my subreddit. She's not just some random person on twitter, she's part of my subreddit community, I think that gives me more authority to talk about who she is if she interacts with me.[/QUOTE] the fact that people need an hour long video centered around some internet nobody just to understand that cheating and being abusive in a relationship isnt okay is totally mind boggling to me. when you say abuse survivor, what do you mean? were you physically attacked? [editline]21st September 2014[/editline] what is it about zoe quinn specifically that makes internet forum posters so fervent and furious? out of all the millions of celebrities, politicians, musicians and actors, artists and other public figures that do terrible things to other people, the internet has collectively chosen some dumbshit indie game dev that sucked dick for good reviews as the new hitler of the 21st century. multi-video series analyzing private conversations posted by an irked ex-boyfriend by strangers that have never met or even spoken to the parties in question, for what? what motivates people to spend hours and hours out of their lives to lavish in the ridiculous gossip of some dumb girl you will never meet or interact with in your lifetime?? do you guys not have your own relationships to be working on rather than digging through chatlogs and short novels on tumblr looking for little details with which to crucify someone everyone already knows sucks?? [editline]21st September 2014[/editline] ive been seeing these weirdo "#gamergate" analysis and internet detective posts and threads for like a month straight, at what point do you guys think you'll be ready to reach the collective verdict that zoe quinn sucks and you don't need to keep rehashing that point as if it matters in any way to any one [editline]21st September 2014[/editline] not to mention calling yourself an "abuse survivor" over and over again just because you had a friend (not even a girlfriend/boyfriend or significant other?) that was abusive to you and you weren't willing to break it off is ridiculously melodramatic and insulting to anyone that has actually been seriously abused by a partner. like saying you were in an abusive relationship, sure, okay, maybe. abuse "survivor"? get over yourself

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[QUOTE=bbddi;46042069] what is it about zoe quinn specifically that makes internet forum posters so fervent and furious? out of all the millions of celebrities, politicians, musicians and actors, artists and other public figures that do terrible things to other people, the internet has collectively chosen some dumbshit indie game dev that sucked dick for good reviews as the new hitler of the 21st century.[/QUOTE] [B]Stop.[/B] You're a horrible human being. I don't like jumping to that but the fact you're taking issue with a critical analysis of someone whose been outed as an emotionally abusive human being and you'd rather deflect and bitch about what started GamerGate instead of what GamerGate actually is. This video by the way, is talking about specifically the God damned Zoe Post. Not fucking GamerGate. Your words, your wording are all atrociously bad and if we replaced boyfriend with girlfriend I bet all 80 bucks in my poor as fuck bank account you would not be asking these questions. The very fact you describe him as irked immediately means you have the social and mental awareness of a potato. Your points are shallow as fuck attempts to seem progressive while completely avoiding the fact that [B]she was outed first as an abusive human being and then was defended by people who enabled those actions.[/B] That's not healthy, that's not good and while the harassment she received was despicable and should not have happened, the fact you stick to this line that men cannot be harmed because they're men is problematic and exactly the reason why no one takes the Social Justice and Feminist movements seriously. And then there's again, the fact, [B]this isn't about GamerGate but rather a look at how someone who claimed to be a figurehead for feminism is an abusive dillweed.[/B] [B]Shut. The. Fuck. Up.[/B]

My abuser was a woman family member, it was emotional abuse, and it happened for 20 years. There was constant gaslighting, shifting responsibility, manipulation, guilt tripping, isolation, an inability to take accountability for hurtful actions, and also suicidal threats. There was an enormous dependence put on all of us in the family, akin to "My life would end if you left." We tried to get her to go to therapy for years and she would refuse to and act as if we all hated her and were trying to kick her out of the house. This affected my first relationship significantly and led to the whole entire relationship falling apart. I struggle with social anxiety and friendships because of the abuse. I've been in therapy for awhile since I figured out what was going on. Feel free to quiz me on my abuse survivor credentials though, sure.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042296][B]Stop.[/B] You're a horrible human being. I don't like jumping to that but the fact you're taking issue with a critical analysis of someone whose been outed as an emotionally abusive human being and you'd rather deflect and bitch about what started GamerGate instead of what GamerGate actually is. This video by the way, is talking about specifically the God damned Zoe Post. Not fucking GamerGate. Your words, your wording are all atrociously bad and if we replaced boyfriend with girlfriend I bet all 80 bucks in my poor as fuck bank account you would not be asking these questions. The very fact you describe him as irked immediately means you have the social and mental awareness of a potato. Your points are shallow as fuck attempts to seem progressive while completely avoiding the fact that [B]she was outed first as an abusive human being and then was defended by people who enabled those actions.[/B] That's not healthy, that's not good and while the harassment she received was despicable and should not have happened, the fact you stick to this line that men cannot be harmed because they're men is problematic and exactly the reason why no one takes the Social Justice and Feminist movements seriously. And then there's again, the fact, [B]this isn't about GamerGate but rather a look at how someone who claimed to be a figurehead for feminism is an abusive dillweed.[/B] [B]Shut. The. Fuck. Up.[/B][/QUOTE] im a horrible human being because i dont think its necessary to explain to people who are supposed to be full grown adults what is and is not acceptable in a relationship? do you really need an hour long video to let you know that lies, cheating, deception, screaming and manipulation are a no-no?? its not that i'm denying zoe quinn is a piece of shit, ive mentioned multiple times that shes awful. its that i think its ridiculously unnecessary and a bit pathetic for everyone to be acting as though she matters in any way, and that her actions warrant any "critical analysis" in the first place. if you really think im a horrible human being for that you need to grow the fuck up dude idk what you mean by "replacing boyfriend with girlfriend" but me using the word "irked" to describe the boyfriend wasnt a way to invalidate him being upset lol. zoes a cunt, the boyfriend got a totally raw deal and i feel terribly sorry for him having to put up with all this nonsense. using the word "irked" instead of "devastated" or some other melodramatic word to describe a grown man who had a shitty girlfriend doesnt make me a terrible person nor does it mean im denying how awful his relationship was im not trying to be progressive, im trying to say this is all totally gone too far. yep, shes an abusive human being. neat. wow. cool! thanks for the heads up, countless internet detectives. ill make sure to never date zoe quinn. thanks for lookin out everyone. i think this line in your post perfectly explains the reason you're so ridiculously angry at me just for not taking to your little death match against zoe quinn: [quote] the fact you stick to this line that [B]men cannot be harmed because they're men[/B] is problematic and exactly the reason why no one takes the Social Justice and Feminist movements seriously[/quote] huh?? what? how did you ever get that from anything i've said? talk about a victim complex, even if i explicitly agree that zoe quinn is a cunt, as soon as someone questions your obsession with crucifying her further they become a social justice warrior that thinks men are pigs lol. grow up, stop being so sensitive and stop trying to twist peoples words just so you can write up some big bold "Shut. The. Fuck. Up." keyboard warrior post and get a bunch of winner icons under your rant from e-buddies that are just as emotionally stunted as you are

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042363]im a horrible human being because i dont think its necessary to explain to people who are supposed to be full grown adults what is and is not acceptable in a relationship? do you really need an hour long video to let you know that lies, cheating, deception, screaming and manipulation are a no-no?? its not that i'm denying zoe quinn is a piece of shit, ive mentioned multiple times that shes awful. its that i think its ridiculously unnecessary and a bit pathetic for everyone to be acting as though she matters in any way, and that her actions warrant any "critical analysis" in the first place. if you really think im a horrible human being for that you need to grow the fuck up dude idk what you mean by "replacing boyfriend with girlfriend" but me using the word "irked" to describe the boyfriend wasnt a way to invalidate him being upset lol. zoes a cunt, the boyfriend got a totally raw deal and i feel terribly sorry for him having to put up with all this nonsense. using the word "irked" instead of "devastated" or some other melodramatic word to describe a grown man who had a shitty girlfriend doesnt make me a terrible person nor does it mean im denying how awful his relationship was im not trying to be progressive, im trying to say this is all totally gone too far. yep, shes an abusive human being. neat. wow. cool! thanks for the heads up, countless internet detectives. ill make sure to never date zoe quinn. thanks for lookin out everyone. i think this line in your post perfectly explains the reason you're so ridiculously angry at me just for not taking to your little death match against zoe quinn: huh?? what? how did you ever get that from anything i've said? talk about a victim complex, even if i explicitly agree that zoe quinn is a cunt, as soon as someone questions your obsession with crucifying her further they become a social justice warrior that thinks men are pigs lol. grow up, stop being so sensitive and stop trying to twist peoples words just so you can write up some big bold "Shut. The. Fuck. Up." keyboard warrior post and get a bunch of winner icons under your rant from e-buddies that are just as emotionally stunted as you are[/QUOTE] No, you're emotionally stunted because you're down playing abuse.

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042363]Rant[/QUOTE] So if I understand what you said correctly you're one of those guys who doesn't care and yet for some reason goes into lengthy posts to ensure everybody is aware of your apathy?

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042436]No, you're emotionally stunted because you're down playing abuse.[/QUOTE] how am i downplaying abuse in any way? how many times and with what exceptional wording do i have to tell you i agree that zoe quinn is an abusive cunt before you begin to understand the point im making? im not denying zoe quinn is awful and abusive, im saying its stupid and unnecessary for all these internet detectives to take it upon themselves to create detailed "critical analysis" of some cunt on the internet who doesnt matter whatsoever. at what point can you guys just give it a rest and say "yep, she sure is terrible" without writing a series of encyclopedias chronicling every misstep and rude phrase uttered by the infamous zoe quinn?

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042469]how am i downplaying abuse in any way? how many times and with what exceptional wording do i have to tell you i agree that zoe quinn is an abusive cunt before you begin to understand the point im making? im not denying zoe quinn is awful and abusive, im saying its stupid and unnecessary for all these internet detectives to take it upon themselves to create detailed "critical analysis" of some cunt on the internet who doesnt matter whatsoever. at what point can you guys just give it a rest and say "yep, she sure is terrible" without writing a series of encyclopedias chronicling every misstep and rude phrase uttered by the infamous zoe quinn?[/QUOTE] It is necessary when almost every major publication that has spoken about Gamergate mentions Eron is a jilted ex-boyfriend, they down play the abuse. It is necessary because this whole fiasco shows that as long as your a woman in some media industry, you can get away with emotional abuse. It is necessary because the response to the Zoe-Post has only made it worse for men suffering from emotional, physical and mental abuses by their significant others and gives the message that they don't fucking matter. Its necessary because of commentators like you who downplay the abuse, call the abuse victim 'irked', 'jilted' or any other word to deflect the abuse charges. It does matter because for people, like yourself, you see the fucking singular God damn tree and ignore the rest of the forest.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042490]Its necessary because of commentators like you who downplay the abuse, call the abuse victim 'irked', 'jilted' or any other word to deflect the abuse charges. It does matter because for people, like yourself, you see the fucking singular God damn tree and ignore the rest of the forest.[/QUOTE] lol okay you keep carrying that torch then keyboard warrior. change the world one "zoe quinn sure is a bitch right guys? haha.. yeah.. she sucks man.. whew.." post at a time. ill keep being a "horrible human being", downplaying abuse as i console people who attempted suicide and take care of sick people 12 hours a day all because i secretly get off on all the misery. as long as we have heroes like you carrying the torch and bawling your eyes out over video game drama the world might have a fighting chance at peace

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042536]lol okay you keep carrying that torch then keyboard warrior. change the world one "zoe quinn sure is a bitch right guys? haha.. yeah.. she sucks man.. whew.." post at a time. ill keep being a "horrible human being", downplaying abuse as i console people who attempted suicide and take care of sick people 12 hours a day all because i secretly get off on all the misery. as long as we have heroes like you carrying the torch and bawling your eyes out over video game drama the world might have a fighting chance at peace[/QUOTE] I feel really sorry for them if this how you respond to a public figure whose being shielded by major outlets about abuse claims. Because so far, we are the only ones talking about it. No one else is. Also, good emotional pull. And Hyperbole, and over extending your own claims and ad hominem.

[QUOTE=gudman;46041103]Unfortunately, to understand it like Reimu does, one has to go through a lot I imagine. I consider that I went through a lot of shit in my time, including abusive relationships, and I have my eyes opened to even more - just like that. Almost casually.[/QUOTE] You really do fit that avatar, a lot.

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042469]how am i downplaying abuse in any way? how many times and with what exceptional wording do i have to tell you i agree that zoe quinn is an abusive cunt before you begin to understand the point im making? im not denying zoe quinn is awful and abusive, im saying its stupid and unnecessary for all these internet detectives to take it upon themselves to create detailed "critical analysis" of some cunt on the internet who doesnt matter whatsoever. at what point can you guys just give it a rest and say "yep, she sure is terrible" without writing a series of encyclopedias chronicling every misstep and rude phrase uttered by the infamous zoe quinn?[/QUOTE] Apart from a lot of people still believe she's a paragon of virtue and that her ex boyfriend is some jilted bitter asshole (including shitloads of major news sites). Or they just have no idea of her abuse outside of 'lol she fucked 5 guys'. It's bringing light to an issue not many people know about and you're barging in and acting high and mighty with the standard rhetoric of "lol who cares" wtf at you saying Reimu's abuse wasn't ~real~ though

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042542]I feel really sorry for them if this how you respond to a public figure whose being shielded by major outlets about abuse claims. Because so far, we are the only ones talking about it. No one else is. Also, good emotional pull.[/QUOTE] yeap you caught me im actually an awful, terrible and evil person because im not a big baby whos heart starts pounding in my ears whenever i read about some dipshit game developer ive never met or communicated with cheating on her boyfriend. you're really saving the world here by explaining why cheating and emotional abuse isnt a good thing. here i was, thinking that deception and manipulation were the key to a healthy relationship, but alas swilly has shone a light of love and compassion on my cold heart and now i understand finally that its not okay to cheat on your partner

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042576]yeap you caught me im actually an awful, terrible and evil person because im not a big baby whos heart starts pounding in my ears whenever i read about some dipshit game developer ive never met or communicated with cheating on her boyfriend. you're really saving the world here by explaining why cheating and emotional abuse isnt a good thing. here i was, thinking that deception and manipulation were the key to a healthy relationship, but alas swilly has shone a light of love and compassion on my cold heart and now i understand finally that its not okay to cheat on your partner[/QUOTE] Annnnd you're downplaying it again. You really are a horrible person, like maybe you do good work, and horrible is a strong word but your responses thus far have been generally deflective, insulting and down playing my points which for someone whose works with people have suicidal tendencies you might be more sensitive to.

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042469]how am i downplaying abuse in any way? how many times and with what exceptional wording do i have to tell you i agree that zoe quinn is an abusive cunt before you begin to understand the point im making?[/QUOTE] the point you seem to be trying to make is "i'm so much better than all you pathetic losers hahaha", so forgive us if we're not exactly receptive to your self-centered rants about how pathetic we are for caring about something that you don't. having an in-depth analysis of a concrete example of abuse like this can be helpful to abuse victims, it can help them compare and understand their own experiences better than something like a "10 signs your partner may be abusive" article that gives the technical descriptions of abusive behaviors but doesn't compare them to any real-world examples. zoe was chosen as the subject because of how many people defend her and paint her ex-boyfriend as some kind of angry loser throwing a tantrum because he got cheated on, without even understanding what eron actually went through with her. she absolutely does not deserve harassment or threats or anything of the sort, but she doesn't deserve a free pass and zero scrutiny for her actions either.

[QUOTE=Jammymanrock;46042559]Apart from a lot of people still believe she's a paragon of virtue and that her ex boyfriend is some jilted bitter asshole (including shitloads of major news sites). Or they just have no idea of her abuse outside of 'lol she fucked 5 guys'. wtf at you saying Reimu's abuse wasn't ~real~ though[/QUOTE] a lot of people thinking shes a paragon of virtue? like, uh what? a bunch of 16 year old girls on tumblr and a bunch of pansy kotaku writers? wow, the world is crumbling at its seams. somebody better tell the BBC to pause their coverage of the growing military escalations in ukraine and the expansion of ISIS' wealth and influence in the middle east, it looks like rock paper shotgun has taken a break from their series on "which lara croft had the best knockers?" series to defend a cheating female game dev i never said reimu's abuse wasn't real, i said it was melodramatic to call yourself a "survivor" because your mum or sister was an abusive and manipulative person during your childhood [editline]21st September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;46042583]Annnnd you're downplaying it again. You really are a horrible person, like maybe you do good work, and horrible is a strong word but your responses thus far have been generally deflective, insulting and down playing my points which for someone whose works with people have suicidal tendencies you might be more sensitive to.[/QUOTE] i dont think you understand what the word "downplay" actually means. maybe instead of just telling me how much i'm "downplaying" the abuse ive repeatedly vilified, you should demonstrate how i'm downplaying abuse. and even if i am insulting and downplaying YOUR POINTS its because your points aren't a serious issue. i can deflect your arguments about video game drama and still be able to be compassionate with people that have real issues, shockingly enough. it may be hard for you to grasp right now but maybe when you calm down a little and grow up a bit you'll realize im not actually an awful human being just because i dont agree with your obsession with internet drama

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042617]i never said reimu's abuse wasn't real, i said it was melodramatic to call yourself a "survivor" because your mum or sister was an abusive and manipulative person during your childhood[/QUOTE] It's melodramatic to use survivor? "Abuse survivor" is the proper term in abuse terminology, it's the kind of term you would use in therapy. The term is still definitely applicable for emotional abuse, and in fact childhood emotional abuse is one of the most common forms of abuse. I'm not going to jump into the rest of the argument here, obviously there's nothing good that can come from this. But no, "abuse survivor" still applies for emotional abuse as well, that's something virtually everyone with a psychology degree will agree on. And saying it's melodramatic basically forces people to put abuse on tiers, i.e. "Your abuse isn't as bad as mine because I was physically abused! You were just emotionally abused!"

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042617] i dont think you understand what the word "downplay" actually means. maybe instead of just telling me how much i'm "downplaying" the abuse ive repeatedly vilified, you should demonstrate how i'm downplaying abuse. and even if i am insulting and downplaying YOUR POINTS its because your points aren't a serious issue. i can deflect your arguments about video game drama and still be able to be compassionate with people that have real issues, shockingly enough. it may be hard for you to grasp right now but maybe when you calm down a little and grow up a bit you'll realize im not actually an awful human being just because i dont agree with your obsession with internet drama[/QUOTE] I already did. You said the Eron was an irked boyfriend. And then you start insulting me again in this post to try and deflect it back to me as being a horrible person because I want the word to get out that Zoe is actually abusive to major sites to show to victims of abuse they aren't alone.

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;46042594]the point you seem to be trying to make is "i'm so much better than all you pathetic losers hahaha", so forgive us if we're not exactly receptive to your self-centered rants about how pathetic we are for caring about something that you don't. having an in-depth analysis of a concrete example of abuse like this can be helpful to abuse victims, it can help them compare and understand their own experiences better than something like a "10 signs your partner may be abusive" article that gives the technical descriptions of abusive behaviors but doesn't compare them to any real-world examples. zoe was chosen as the subject because of how many people defend her and paint her ex-boyfriend as some kind of angry loser throwing a tantrum because he got cheated on, without even understanding what eron actually went through with her. she absolutely does not deserve harassment or threats or anything of the sort, but she doesn't deserve a free pass and zero scrutiny for her actions either.[/QUOTE] this i can get, and i appreciate a response that finally actually means something and puts this all into a context other than "but kotaku didnt take it seriously enough!!". i still find it an odd context with which to spark such a seemingly serious discussion of relationship abuse in general but i can at least appreciate the value to people going through an abusive relationship. at the same time i feel there are people supporting this for the emotional analysis and advice, and people supporting it because they like to fixate on the drama in other peoples lives instead of their own (swilly), which is who im irked with. but i appreciate what you mean and how there is value for people going through these issues in their own lives and i apologize for commandeering a resource for those people as a way to bash e-drama nerds

And its not just Kotaku. Its VICE, its Gawker's smaller sites in general. Gamasutra, Polygon, Neo-Gar, the rhetoric being used by Anti-GG people. Its Cracked, even.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042654]I already did. You said the Eron was an irked boyfriend. And then you start insulting me again in this post to try and deflect it back to me as being a horrible person because I want the word to get out that Zoe is actually abusive to major sites to show to victims of abuse they aren't alone.[/QUOTE] lol and i already addressed the use of the word "irked". if you seriously think the singular use of the word "irked" despite paragraphs of me condeming zoe quinns actions and sympathizing with the boyfriend means i'm "downplaying abuse" you're beyond reaching. not to mention i never said you're a horrible person (despite you continually telling me im a reprehensible piece of shit just because i dont think you should be so obsessed with some fucking girl on the internet)

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042689]lol and i already addressed the use of the word "irked". if you seriously think the singular use of the word "irked" despite paragraphs of me condeming zoe quinns actions and sympathizing with the boyfriend means i'm "downplaying abuse" you're beyond reaching. not to mention i never said you're a horrible person (despite you continually telling me im a reprehensible piece of shit just because i dont think you should be so obsessed with some fucking girl on the internet)[/QUOTE] [B]Some fucking girl on the internet whose become a figurehead just like Anita Sarkesian.[/B] Also, you're just using this to bash 'nerds' for e-drama. And now I remember who you are, you're the guy who couldn't figure out how [B]not[/B] to generalize people using labels as a derogatory term.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042676]And its not just Kotaku. Its VICE, its Gawker's smaller sites in general. Gamasutra, Polygon, Neo-Gar, the rhetoric being used by Anti-GG people. Its Cracked, even.[/QUOTE] wait a minute, VICE isnt taking this seriously either? okay then this really has gone too far. i cant believe they're not holding up the standard of vaporwave photography articles and "i blew powdered alcohol up my ass for science" exposes they're so well known for.

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042706]wait a minute, VICE isnt taking this seriously either? okay then this really has gone too far. i cant believe they're not holding up the standard of vaporwave photography articles and "i blew powdered alcohol up my ass for science" exposes they're so well known for.[/QUOTE] Deflecting again.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46042702][B]Some fucking girl on the internet whose become a figurehead just like Anita Sarkesian.[/B] Also, you're just using this to bash 'nerds' for e-drama. And now I remember who you are, you're the guy who couldn't figure out how [B]not[/B] to generalize people using labels as a derogatory term.[/QUOTE] oh yeah and i remember you too, you're the guy that actually got upset over someone jokingly using the word "nerd" as if it carries any weight or significance, as if i walked onto a slave ship and started whipping black people letting the N word fly without discretion

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042721]oh yeah and i remember you too, you're the guy that actually got upset over someone jokingly using the word "nerd" as if it carries any weight or significance, as if i walked onto a slave ship and started whipping black people letting the N word fly without discretion[/QUOTE] I remember how dense you were because you didn't realize they were using gamer/nerd to basically insult anyone who plays games including black people!

[QUOTE=bbddi;46042667]this i can get, and i appreciate a response that finally actually means something and puts this all into a context other than "but kotaku didnt take it seriously enough!!". i still find it an odd context with which to spark such a seemingly serious discussion of relationship abuse in general but i can at least appreciate the value to people going through an abusive relationship. at the same time i feel there are people supporting this for the emotional analysis and advice, and people supporting it because they like to fixate on the drama in other peoples lives instead of their own (swilly), which is who im irked with. but i appreciate what you mean and how there is value for people going through these issues in their own lives and i apologize for commandeering a resource for those people as a way to bash e-drama nerds[/QUOTE] Yeah, BLOODGAS$M hit the nail on the head as to why I made this. I didn't make this because I wanted to encourage harassment against ZQ, I made it because people weren't taking abuse seriously and the behavior in the logs was going over a huge portion of the internet/industry's heads. Which was really startling to me, because my abuser is a lot like ZQ. And I saw people ignore this across the Internet; both in GG, and against GG, and in-between the two. This is a pretty good case study of how abusers can make in-roads in their professional lives and hurt their survivors by creating a group of abuse enablers. I purposefully made sure this video had nothing to do with GamerGate so I could distance the focus and ask GG people not to treat it like a GG video.

I'm sick of seeing all this gamer gate shit everywhere like it's some amazing breaking news story. It's a controversy on the internet. Why does every aspect need to be forensicly examined with people giving their opinions on every tiny detail.

[QUOTE=Holt!;46042735]I'm sick of seeing all this gamer gate shit everywhere like it's some amazing breaking news story. It's a controversy on the internet. Why does every aspect need to be forensicly examined with people giving their opinions on every tiny detail.[/QUOTE] Because its a multi-faceted issue that's part of the largest entertainment industry currently and you'r on a website that's based around said industry? Like, honestly, are you seriously that surprised?