[QUOTE=Transverse;29681059]Who says they couldn't? You?[/QUOTE]
who says they could? you? alright, burden of proof is on you, show me a robot that will formulate his own opinions on the writings of Shakespeare and write a 3-page MLA essay dissecting Julius Caesar and you win.
and before you say burden of proof is on me, how do I disprove something that doesn't exist?
in other news, I got a horrible leg injury and will be in the hospital for a while, fuck
fatal-error is a wuss puss
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;29681335]fatal-error is a wuss puss[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don't fancy doing a whole lot of LITERALY NOTHING after I die.
I would rather keep living thank you.
wussssspusssssss
life and death are unquantifiable abstracts, why should i be concerned?
[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]
you need to do more psychotropic substances
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;29681401]life and death are unquantifiable abstracts[/QUOTE]
One involves me thinking and doing things, one does not. I know my choice.
you aren't aware of the latter, so it doesn't matter.
i don't expect you to comprehend that though
Ofcourse I wont be aware of the latter, I wont be concious of anything at the time.
I still do not like it.
see that's the thing. there's no liking or disliking in this state, for all intents and purposes you are indifferent
[QUOTE=cccritical;29681308]
and before you say burden of proof is on me, how do I disprove something that doesn't exist?
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Exactly.
I will put it this way, what if I get the urge to do something important before I die, and oh, I die in the next moment. I will be extremely annoyed for the next picosecond of conciousness.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;29681401]life and death are unquantifiable abstracts, why should i be concerned?[/QUOTE]
Shut up Dr. Manhattan
Let's hope that once you turn immortal you are sterilized as well, if not, there we'll have an even worse overpopulation problem.
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;29681893]Let's hope that once you turn immortal you are sterilized as well, if not, there we'll have an even worse overpopulation problem.[/QUOTE]
Dude your other avatar was waaaay better D:
[QUOTE=Turnips5;29681817]Shut up Dr. Manhattan[/QUOTE]
i'm glad someone got that
Not to be "that guy" but, theres a reason why we age and die.
I don't exactly know said reason, but if we are this way, there must be a good enough reason for it, and changing that doesn't seems like a good idea. Not only in moral views, but in SOO MANY other ways.
(just my 2 cents)
[QUOTE=dass;29683597]Not to be "that guy" but, theres a reason why we age and die.
I don't exactly know said reason, but if we are this way, there must be a good enough reason for it, and changing that doesn't seems like a good idea. Not only in moral views, but in SOO MANY other ways.
(just my 2 cents)[/QUOTE]
That isn't a reason that's just bullshit philosophy.
What about the psychological side of immorality? Would you still be "sane" after your 300th or 500th year?
Anyway, I think it would be quite important if we ever want to leave this solar system.
[QUOTE=rosthouse;29684026]What about the psychological side of immorality? Would you still be "sane" after your 300th or 500th year?
Anyway, I think it would be quite important if we ever want to leave this solar system.[/QUOTE]
One thing that most people say would make you insane after becoming immortal is watching everyone you know and love die. The thing is, if becoming immortal is available to everyone, you won't have that problem!
[QUOTE=The golden;29684556]This. Nature/Evolution does not do things for no reason. If long life was so simple, it would have been done.
On a side note: Earth is already getting way too overpopulated. Not only do we not need any more people, we don't need ones that live forever either.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think me or any of the others who support immortality give two fucking shits what nature and evolution want. Science overrides both.
You guys might want to try reading the OP; he invalidates the senility and overpopulation argument
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29683869]That isn't a reason that's just bullshit philosophy.[/QUOTE]
philosophy IS reason :downs:
[QUOTE=dass;29683597]Not to be "that guy" but, theres a reason why we age and die.
I don't exactly know said reason, but if we are this way, there must be a good enough reason for it, and changing that doesn't seems like a good idea. Not only in moral views, but in SOO MANY other ways.
(just my 2 cents)[/QUOTE]
The way we were thousands of years ago is very different from what we are now. There is no reason for us not to change and every reason for it. How we change is up to debate.
The only reason we are the way we are now is because we're waiting to undergo the next step towards bettering ourselves; and those steps are happening right now.
Jesus this is confusing..
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;29686801]The way we were thousands of years ago is very different from what we are now. There is no reason for us not to change and every reason for it. How we change is up to debate.
The only reason we are the way we are now is because we're waiting to undergo the next step towards bettering ourselves; and those steps are happening right now.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention how incredibly subjective morals are
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29677369]I can't answer that directly. However, looking at how computing is evolving now: can you see any sign that it will ever be able to think? Taking into account exponential growth of computational power.
The thing is, computers must always be told what the parameters are. Humans can work it out for themselves. Of course, when machines are told what the parameters are, they can work much better (although still not always as well as humans). But they can never work out the parameters for themselves.
[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]
Also, don't say "oh but that's just taking it nowadays, look at how fast silicon-based tech is advancing, they will eventually be able to become self-aware etc if we have enough time".
They lack the qualitative ability to [I]think[/I].[/QUOTE]
That's wonderful, because future computers will be carbon based, like us.
[editline]8th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=dass;29683597]Not to be "that guy" but, theres a reason why we age and die.
I don't exactly know said reason, but if we are this way, there must be a good enough reason for it, and changing that doesn't seems like a good idea. Not only in moral views, but in SOO MANY other ways.
(just my 2 cents)[/QUOTE]
Bullshit, we died off purely due to biological damage accumulated throughout our lives, it's more beneficial to live a substantially longer life and sire offspring then accumulate experience and use it to better rear kids, increases their survival chances the longer you live so really it's been a handi cap that we have biologically short lives.
[editline]8th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=rosthouse;29684026]What about the psychological side of immorality? Would you still be "sane" after your 300th or 500th year?
Anyway, I think it would be quite important if we ever want to leave this solar system.[/QUOTE]
Depends what you do with that immortality, if you were an office worker for the rest of eternity then it would be a cruel sick form of hell, but if you used your immortality to be the first asshat to have their boots hit Io's ice sheets then you'd probably be (PUN INCOMING!)
Over the moon :smugdog::pipe:
Immortality will lead to extreme overpopulation and wreckage of the ecosystem because earths resources can't satisfy a never ending population.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29690838]Immortality will lead to extreme overpopulation and wreckage of the ecosystem because earths resources can't satisfy a never ending population.[/QUOTE]
Oh for fuck sake.
Earth can support around 10 billion people with better resource management, then when resources are beginning to run down we can start asteroid mining. We've done crazy shit before, the only difference is that now we'd be doing our first crazy thing in space.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29690865]Oh for fuck sake.
Earth can support around 10 billion people with better resource management, then when resources are beginning to run down we can start asteroid mining. We've done crazy shit before, the only difference is that now we'd be doing our first crazy thing in space.[/QUOTE]
Even assuming you can manage resources 'better', he's right. Spare a few generations and 10 billion isn't that large of a number.
[QUOTE=s0beit;29690911]Even assuming you can manage resources 'better', he's right. Spare a few generations and 10 billion isn't that large of a number.[/QUOTE]
It'll cap at 10 billion because after that it becomes unsustainable, at which point we find new solutions like recycling on mass, off world independent colonies and asteroid mining.
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