Trust me, very few actually want to manage resources [B]at all[/B].
People don't usually think in cycles longer than their own life time, and when the majority which is needed for total management has learned it, it is probably too late.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29691015]Trust me, very few actually want to manage resources [B]at all[/B].
People don't usually think in cycles longer than their own life time, and when the majority which is needed for total management has learned it, it is probably too late.[/QUOTE]
Thus why having immortals would be a good idea, they are forced to consider millenia into the future.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29690068]That's wonderful, because future computers will be carbon based, like us.
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That's good. Very good. I never once doubted that. What I'm saying is that silicon will never gain intelligence, self-awareness, the ability to think etc.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29690068]That's wonderful, because future computers will be carbon based, like us.
Bullshit, we died off purely due to biological damage accumulated throughout our lives, it's more beneficial to live a substantially longer life and sire offspring then accumulate experience and use it to better rear kids, increases their survival chances the longer you live so really it's been a handi cap that we have biologically short lives.
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Actually, as far as I know, it's due to preprogrammed cell death. Your body is perfectly capable of healing the damage throughout its life. When you're born, you're programmed to die.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29672757]There's a difference between a minor personality quirk and being straight up retarded, fuck me I thought anyone could have percieved that but apparantly not.[/QUOTE]
I'll have personality quirk or two.
For example, murderous hatred of meat bags.
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[QUOTE=JgcxCub;29692019]That's good. Very good. I never once doubted that. What I'm saying is that silicon will never gain intelligence, self-awareness, the ability to think etc.
Actually, as far as I know, it's due to preprogrammed cell death. Your body is perfectly capable of healing the damage throughout its life. When you're born, you're programmed to die.[/QUOTE]
What do you have against silicon anyway, huh? Are you some kind of materialist?
Your body can't handle it, it's cleaning systems are piss weak.sure it's handles macro damage well like cuts bruises and breaks but micro damage like intra and inter cellular junk waste completely screw it over. Mitochondria in cells die off as well over time and fail to get replaced, telomeres break down and fail to repair.
And the only reason we have programmed cell death is to stop us living long enough to become a walking tumour, but thankfully immortality isn't purely based off genetics, it's a collaborative effort with well over 20 scientific fields being involved.
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And dude silicon is incredibly similar chemically to carbon, the only major difference is that it doesn't form as many compounds as carbon can and that to have it react requires more energy.
We should reach singularity first then worry about living forever.
Better idea to deal with the hurdles before we get to them in my opinion. Make plans for all the possibilities and use the one that best fits the situation instead of improvising nearer the time and half assing that shit.
Honestly, they should leave death the way it is. It exists naturally for a reason. That reason: Overpopulation. Right now, 10% of the world's collective human population is alive. That means if nobody ever died in human history, the world population would be well over 63 billion. (Assuming none of them continued reproducing after age 50)
If they have to deal with overpopulation in a non-natural way sometime in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the most common methods would be mass-execution of people who are 100+ years old or something, which I'm sure would not be enjoyable for someone who knows they can virtually live forever.
Or you know, you could all stop herping and derping with tover population bull shit and realise that we are a technologically advanced species capable of building orbital colonies and planetary colonies to solve over population.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29692362]Or you know, you could all stop herping and derping with tover population bull shit and realise that we are a technologically advanced species capable of building orbital colonies and planetary colonies to solve over population.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Sure. It took 40 million dollars to make a two person moon buggy that could support two people for 4 days. (Referring to the newest one)
Just imagine how much it would cost to colonize the moon or another planet.
Ok, theres one thing I am certain of now.
Facepunch thinks everything is just around the corner and is easy and affordable to accomplish regardless of anything, and said everything has no cons whatsoever.
[QUOTE=DeadCow;29692448]Yeah. Sure. It took 40 million dollars to make a two person moon buggy that could support two people for 4 days. (Referring to the newest one)
Just imagine how much it would cost to colonize the moon or another planet.[/QUOTE]
I never said it would easy, plus our technology and manufacturing capability has vastly improved since the 60's.
[QUOTE=dass;29692454]Ok, theres one thing I am certain of now.
Facepunch thinks everything is just around the corner and is easy and affordable to accomplish regardless of anything, and said everything has no cons whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Finally, someone with a similar point of view.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29692362]Or you know, you could all stop herping and derping with tover population bull shit and realise that we are a technologically advanced species capable of building orbital colonies and planetary colonies to solve over population.[/QUOTE]
That's why we haven't sent another man to the moon in years right?
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[QUOTE=bravehat;29692464]I never said it would easy, plus our technology and manufacturing capability has vastly improved since the 60's.[/QUOTE]
Yet, no flying cars.
No space colonies or anything even far from that.
List goes on.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29692464]I never said it would easy, plus our technology and manufacturing capability has vastly improved since the 60's.[/QUOTE]
Read what's inside the parenthases.
[quote=DeadCow](Referring to the newest one)[/quote]
Meaning the one they made in the past decade. (I forgot the exact year, I think it's in the late 2000's)
[QUOTE=dass;29692492]That's why we haven't sent another man to the moon in years right?
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Yet, no flying cars.
No space colonies or anything even far from that.
List goes on.[/QUOTE]
We only sent a man to the moon as a publicity stunt, now we actually have a lot of the required technology to go there and build shit. ure it won't be easy but it's fucking stupid keeping all of humanity on earth anyway, it's like begging for an extinction level event.
Mollar Skycar actually if you really want to do that, and there are plans for orbital hotels in the works, either way that's irrelevant, we're making headway with life extension technology and medicine.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29690962]It'll cap at 10 billion because after that it becomes unsustainable, at which point we find new solutions like recycling on mass, off world independent colonies and asteroid mining.[/QUOTE]
Recycling mass??
Off world independent colonies?
Asteroid mining?
Stop playing Dead Space.
Recycling en masse is what i meant, I had 3 hours sleep now stop being a pirnickitty cunt.
And if you think it won't happen in the next couple hundred years then you're a fool.
And in Dead Space they cracked planets and moons, not asteroids :science:
[QUOTE=bravehat;29692552]We only sent a man to the moon as a publicity stunt, now we actually have a lot of the required technology to go there and build shit. ure it won't be easy but it's fucking stupid keeping all of humanity on earth anyway, it's like begging for an extinction level event.
Mollar Skycar actually if you really want to do that, and there are plans for orbital hotels in the works, either way that's irrelevant, we're making headway with life extension technology and medicine.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to mention it will cost billions if not trillions to build all that. And once they are built, only the richest people in the world will be able to afford it.
[QUOTE=DeadCow;29692594]You forgot to mention it will cost billions if not trillions to build all that. And once they are built, only the richest people in the world will be able to afford it.[/QUOTE]
Gotta start somewhere, also if you did start mining asteroids then it would severly maul the current economic system so that would need to change to a post scarcity economy, after that hopefully everything would become a little easier.
Pick holes if you like, I already know the rich will be the first to exploit it, I know it will be insanely difficult but as I've said, we need to get off this planet, a sizeable chunk of us at least.
[quote=bravehat]Pick holes if you like, I already know the rich will be the first to exploit it, I know it will be insanely difficult but as I've said, we need to get off this planet, a sizeable chunk of us at least[/quote]
I think anybody can agree with that. Last post for me tonight, going to sleep.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29692552]We only sent a man to the moon as a publicity stunt, now we actually have a lot of the required technology to go there and build shit. ure it won't be easy but it's fucking stupid keeping all of humanity on earth anyway, it's like begging for an extinction level event.
Mollar Skycar actually if you really want to do that, and there are plans for orbital hotels in the works, either way that's irrelevant, we're making headway with life extension technology and medicine.[/QUOTE]
For the showoff America is, it would be to expect them to have already alot of their shit on the moon or anything of the sort. I wonder why they don't have...
Oh wait... [i]There are more important tasks at hand on Earth then to send a couple of guys to the Moon[/i]
We will never get close to orbital hotels and outer space stuff, because we might not ever have the right tools for it.
If we can't expand from out of this Earth, immortality wont end well for us.
Not counting the array of SHIT that could come in the event we do reach immortality.
It's all fine and dandy until the shit hits the fan.
Also, costs. What makes you think this would be available to the masses?
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[QUOTE=bravehat;29692581]Recycling en masse is what i meant, I had 3 hours sleep now stop being a pirnickitty cunt.
And if you think it won't happen in the next couple hundred years then you're a fool.
And in Dead Space they cracked planets and moons, not asteroids :science:[/QUOTE]
Sort of do think that way for 2 reasons.
Earth is going to hell with everything getting fucked. And I do mean anything.
And its stupid to think outside the box when the inside of the box is in such a bad shape.
How do you expect to do such amazing things when we can't even fix other simple problems?
[QUOTE=dass;29692668]For the showoff America is, it would be to expect them to have already alot of their shit on the moon or anything of the sort. I wonder why they don't have...
Oh wait... [i]There are more important tasks at hand on Earth then to send a couple of guys to the Moon[/i]
We will never get close to orbital hotels and outer space stuff, because we might not ever have the right tools for it.
If we can't expand from out of this Earth, immortality wont end well for us.
Not counting the array of SHIT that could come in the event we do reach immortality.
It's all fine and dandy until the shit hits the fan.
Also, costs. What makes you think this would be available to the masses?[/QUOTE]
Might not ever have the tools to build shit in space? Are you fucking delusional? we already have the tools, astronauts use them all the time to make running repairs on shit in orbit and construct the ISS, we can do it easy as fuck but it's people with that deafetist as fuck attitude of yours that stop it.
Check Bigolo aerospace, they have plans for realtively cheap hotels in space, there's multiple replacement prototypes for the space shuttle, SpaceX have plans for a ton of rockets that are bringing and will continue to bring the price of transporting materials to space down, the best parts being that SpaceX isn't about profit, the guy who runs tehm has told investors not to expect to make any money from SpaceX and both SpaceX and Bigolo Aerospace are working together.
There's alsop the VASIMR rocket NASA has developed and is due to test in space on the ISS, which if I remember correctly reduces travel time to Mars to about 3 months but I may be a little of with the time scale.
There's also that new single state to orbit space plane being built Called the Skylon Spaceplane, which as far as I am aware is coming along quite nicely, and to top that off there's Virgin Galactic.
Dude, we WILL live in space and on other planets, we WILL at some point in the near future of the human species start strip mining rocks flying through space.
Maybe because there are more important problems and other places where help is needed the most.
What you are basically talking about is long term vacations which only a tenth of the population or less, or the rich of the rich will experience.
And before that happens, everyone will have to wait a long time, if it ever will happen.
What I'm talking about is getting a substantial section of humanity permanently living a great distance from earth autonomously, and chances are if that's how it starts then it won't be and adventure solely for the rich.
And what problems do we have here on earth that we can actually solve eh? let me guess war, famine, poverty and all that jazz? Well we'll never get rid of war, it's in our nature to hurt things, famine and drought could actually end up less harmful thanks to technologies that would be required by colonisation and they will trickle down and be applied commercially and poverty, well that sucks but it's down to each individual nation to fix that shit.
Either way dude, we're going to become a space faring species pretty soon in my opinion unless there's some catastrophic event.
Well, until we fix those problems somehow, no one is gonna fire off of Earth somewhere else.
Why? Things are directed elsewhere. They will just hold us back and take our resources.
Thank you captain obvious, I know we won't be going anywhere right now because everyone thinks we're fine here on earth and that we have no need to go anywhere, but that's stupid cause we're putting all our eggs in the one basket.
Its not that we think we're fine here on earth. Far from that imo.
As I said, its not that easy to accomplish everything you said. Not by the slightest.
Just make it so that if you want immortality you can't have children, using temporary castration through chemicals until we can find a way to sustain a growing population.
[QUOTE=dass;29693897]Its not that we think we're fine here on earth. Far from that imo.
As I said, its not that easy to accomplish everything you said. Not by the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Care to point out where I said it would be easy?
I know it will be hard, it will easily be the most difficult thing humanity has done yet, but it will also be the most significant thing we will ever do, it will be our first step into the ocean of the stars and god fucking damnit we better do it, for the sake of our great great great great great grandchildren.
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