[QUOTE=Matix;29655788]That's because of their generation, not their age.[/QUOTE]
Okay so the first point is destroyed but you didn't touch the second point.
[QUOTE=Gump;29655800]All I am saying is that it could cause problems as well as have many benefits.[/QUOTE]
Anything can cause problems. Going to space can cause problems. Alternative energy sources could cause problems. Curing cancer could cause problems.
It's no reason to hold back society.
[QUOTE=Matix;29655820]Anything can cause problems. Going to space can cause problems. Alternative energy sources could cause problems. Curing cancer could cause problems.
It's no reason to hold back society.[/QUOTE]
I'd still like examples about how this would help.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655806]Okay so the first point is destroyed but you didn't touch the second point.[/QUOTE]
Why do anything out of fear of the negative? If we as humans lived this way, where would we be today? Probably nowhere.
[QUOTE=Matix;29655820]Anything can cause problems. Going to space can cause problems. Alternative energy sources could cause problems. Curing cancer could cause problems.
It's no reason to hold back society.[/QUOTE]
A point well made, guess I lose.
Anyone posting in this thread was born too soon and missed out on being a designer baby.
Can't help but feel down about that.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655838]I'd still like examples about how this would help.[/QUOTE]
The people who are intelligent contributors to society on the verge of making huge breakthroughs could continue to do so for an extra 100 years or so. Too many people with too much potential are removed from the picture too soon.
[QUOTE=Matix;29655847]Why do anything out of fear of the negative? If we as humans lived this way, where would we be today? Probably nowhere.[/QUOTE]
But we can already see how this can backfire and work in our favor. I'm not trying to stop it, I'm trying to say its not for everyone.
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[QUOTE=Matix;29655867]The people who are intelligent contributors to society on the verge of making huge breakthroughs could continue to do so for an extra 100 years or so. Too many people with too much potantial are removed from the picture too soon.[/QUOTE]
You mean like how Einstein spent his last years trying to prove that space was not expanding which contradicted the math of his own theory of relativity?
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655791]:sigh:
Am I the only one not planning to live past 60?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
60 isn't even a lot. Unless you're a basement nerd who feeds on soda and chips, in which case if you survive till 60, your body will be fucked anyway.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655838]I'd still like examples about how this would help.[/QUOTE]
Scientific Geniuses never die and continue helping research new technology forever?
A generally more wise and intelligent populace?
No group of seniors that have to be taken care of because everyone is in peak physical condition?
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29655908]Yes.
60 isn't even a lot. Unless you're a basement nerd who feeds on soda and chips, in which case if you survive till 60, your body will be fucked anyway.[/QUOTE]
I'm not though, but I'm already tired of living and seeing little progress in any direction.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655872]But we can already see how this can backfire and work in our favor. I'm not trying to stop it, I'm trying to say its not for everyone.
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You mean like how Einstein spent his last years trying to prove that space was not expanding which contradicted the math of his own theory of relativity?[/QUOTE]
I'd assume that senility would be first on the chopping block of transhumanism.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655872]But we can already see how this can backfire and work in our favor. I'm not trying to stop it, I'm trying to say its not for everyone.
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You mean like how Einstein spent his last years trying to prove that space was not expanding which contradicted the math of his own theory of relativity?[/QUOTE]
Anything of that sort. That could have been a result of his deteriorating brain (this ties in to what we're talking about), or he could have been on the verge of a game-changing discovery. We will never know. Imagine if he was still alive and well, contributing to our scientific and mathematical advancements?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29655912]Scientific Geniuses never die and continue helping research new technology forever?
[B]Some scientist get stuck in their own train of thought.[/B]
A generally more wise and intelligent populace?
[B]That's arguable, if everyone had immortality, what about WBC?[/B]
No group of seniors that have to be taken care of because everyone is in peak physical condition?
[B]Can't argue with this, its true.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655918]I'm not though, but I'm already tired of living and seeing little progress in any direction.[/QUOTE]
Well if you're a depressed basement nerd then that's your own affair.
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[QUOTE=Swilly;29655933]That's arguable, if everyone had immortality, what about WBC?[/QUOTE]
Uh, nothing?
They'd continue being pricks forever? And I wouldn't really care because I would be living on the moon?
[QUOTE=Matix;29655930]Anything of that sort. That could have been a result of his deteriorating brain (this ties in to what we're talking about), or he could have been on the verge of a game-changing discovery. We will never know. Imagine if he was still alive and well, contributing to our scientific and mathematical advancements?[/QUOTE]
This is hypothetical so it could have very well been he got stuck and might not be able to contribute.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29655937]Well if you're a depressed basement nerd then that's your own affair.
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Uh, nothing?
They'd continue being pricks forever? And I wouldn't really care because I would be living on the moon?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure I'm not the only one who will eventually grow tired of living. Will the fact that we live forever actually cause another controversy similar to old people wanting to pull the plug on themselves?
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html[/url]
I wouldn't want to be immortal. I'd like to live for maybe 200 years, assuming that my body and brain functions wouldn't crap out by the time I'm 90 and I'd live as a parasite on society for the remaining time.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29655961]This is hypothetical so it could have very well been he got stuck and might not be able to contribute.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who will eventually grow tired of living. Will the fact that we live forever actually cause another controversy similar to old people wanting to pull the plug on themselves?[/QUOTE]
New minds will replace the old. The old don't really have to die for this to happen.
Even if you don't want to be immortal, scientists WILL make some of them immortal, just for the sakes of accomplishing it.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29656021]New minds will replace the old. The old don't really have to die for this to happen.[/QUOTE]
So we'll start using electronic brains or something?
Again, I'm not against it, I just don't really want to live forever. Call it being a depressed romantic.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29656013][url]http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html[/url]
I wouldn't want to be immortal. I'd like to live for maybe 200 years, assuming that my body and brain functions wouldn't crap out by the time I'm 90 and I'd live as a parasite on society for the remaining time.[/QUOTE]
This is not about "living forever while still ageing". That's impossible. Biological immortality, in any serious context, is stopping the causes and symptoms of ageing and reversing them.
On your article:
#5: It's called transhumanism. And while humanity evolves, individuals rarely.
#4: Yeah because you'll be the only one
#3: See above, 'reversing symptoms of ageing'.
#2: Time... What?
#1: 'You'll eventually have an accident and die'. We know. That's why it's "biological" immortality.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29656013][url]http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html[/url]
I wouldn't want to be immortal. I'd like to live for maybe 200 years, assuming that my body and brain functions wouldn't crap out by the time I'm 90 and I'd live as a parasite on society for the remaining time.[/QUOTE]
The article only talks about reasons if you were the only immortal person and no one knew.
Also being immortal is not possible. If age won't kill you, an accident will.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29656054]So we'll start using electronic brains or something?
Again, I'm not against it, I just don't really want to live forever. Call it being a depressed romantic.[/QUOTE]
Even if you were immortal, some artificial... some thing that keeps you alive for hundreds of years, I'm pretty sure a bullet would still kill you, or if you got crushed to rubble, say a car accident.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29656079]This is not about "living forever while still ageing". That's impossible. Biological immortality, in any serious context, is stopping the causes and symptoms of ageing and reversing them.
On your article:
#5: It's called transhumanism. And while humanity evolves, individuals rarely.
#4: Yeah because you'll be the only one
#3: See above, 'reversing symptoms of ageing'.
#2: Time... What?
#1: 'You'll eventually have an accident and die'. We know. That's why it's "biological" immortality.[/QUOTE]
To number 2, you do notice how time seems to get faster as you get used to the planet right?
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29656100]Even if you were immortal, some artificial... some thing that keeps you alive for hundreds of years, I'm pretty sure a bullet would still kill you, or if you got crushed to rubble, say a car accident.[/QUOTE]
So the only way to stop myself would be suicide :v:?
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29656079]#3: See above, 'reversing symptoms of ageing'. [/QUOTE]
this is the one I'm most worried about. there is a limit as to how much the brain can remember and recall quickly and no amount of bioengineering will change that. the only way around it that I can see is transferring memories onto external media, or even integrating some kind of computer into the brain itself.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29656135]this is the one I'm most worried about. there is a limit as to how much the brain can remember and recall quickly and no amount of bioengineering will change that. the only way around it that I can see is transferring memories onto external media, or even integrating some kind of computer into the brain itself.[/QUOTE]
Ghost in the Shell anyone?
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29656079]
#1: 'You'll eventually have an accident and die'. We know. That's why it's "biological" immortality.[/QUOTE]
They didn't say that, they said you will eventually have an accident and get stuck under something or somewhere.
Sort of like bender in Futurama back in the 1950s, 1000 years underground by yourself.
Anyway, I don't know, I do know one thing though and that's that there is no 'Myth of Overpopulation', there is also no 'Myth of Overconsumption'. It wouldn't work out very well if what you desire is a higher standard of living or more resources diverted into science, that much is sure.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29656140]Ghost in the Shell anyone?[/QUOTE]
That's actually what I was thinking of when I typed that :v:
[QUOTE=s0beit;29656169]They didn't say that, they said you will eventually have an accident and get stuck under something or somewhere.
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And you'll die due to lack of food. It's called Entropy.
Being biologically immortal does not mean you are immune to bullets or lack of food.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;29656195]That's actually what I was thinking of when I typed that :v:[/QUOTE]
I just finished watching the first season and I'm halfway through 2nd GIG.
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