Being able to say "Yeah, I just filled 10002 years :smug:" would be so fucking awesome.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;29671108]Don't tortoises have Biological Immortality? I read somewhere that if you placed a Tortoise in a completly disease and danger free enviroment with a source of food and water that they would live forever.[/QUOTE]
No, just for a goddamn long time.
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This is our current generation:
[QUOTE]never thought it was possibe but my mrs convinced me 2 eat tomartos and onions good job babie girl ! :)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]tomartos[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]babie[/QUOTE]
What. The fuck.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29655551]Well at least we can pull telomerase out I guess that's something.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't work for humans, or at least we're not sure yet.
i done a mini study on aging for my genetics presentation in uni, mice and rats have prominent telomerase enzymes kicking around in their system all through their life, but for humans it is very very very very low after puberty so we're not sure how well it would work for us. There is also the issue that it increases the risk of cancer by a metric ton.
Although if we do it all right then we could combat that with anti cancer nano capsule that deliver concentrated but small doses of powerful anti cancer drugs/compounds/materials to recently discovered cancer cells.
Fucking love Transhumanism, I just hate the mind uploading business, I ain't being no cyberman :colbert:
If we can't achieve immortality, we should atleast make it so after 30 or so years your body stops aging so you can still move and stuff when old.
We will achieve immortality, and if everyone would fuck off with their bullshit ethics and morals then we would have achieved it by now.
We need more planets if this is ever going to work.
[QUOTE=Bokito;29671677]We need more planets if this is ever going to work.[/QUOTE]
The overpopulation argument is horse shit, we have more than enough space and the like on this planet alone to support a large percentage of immortals and a pretty big population on earth, something like 10 billion, all it takes is better resource management.
And that doesn't take into account improved technology that'll arrive in the future as well.
[QUOTE=Bokito;29671677]We need more planets if this is ever going to work.[/QUOTE]
Poor africans and indians won't be able to afford this anyway
[img]http://images.wikia.com/timesplitters/images/8/8d/Mad_Old_Crow.jpg[/img]
I like this thread.
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;29672104][img_thumb]http://images.wikia.com/timesplitters/images/8/8d/Mad_Old_Crow.jpg[/img_thumb]
I like this thread.[/QUOTE]
This isn't facebook, you don't need to tell that to everyone.
Augmentation could possibly fix a lot of ageing problems
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29672339]Augmentation could possibly fix a lot of ageing problems[/QUOTE]
I'll stick with my flawed meat body, additions and alterations are awesome, but I'd like to stay meaty.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29671169]
Edit: Also holy shit, that "only the rich will be immortal" statement horrifies me as a proletariat sympathiser.[/QUOTE]
But it's probably what will happen. It's always like this, the rich are the ones that get to benefit the most. If you own a large corporation and you are important you'll probably have one before even the guy who invented it.
It's not fair, but that's how it goes usually.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29672397]I'll stick with my flawed meat body, additions and alterations are awesome, but I'd like to stay meaty.[/QUOTE]
Why? Meat is weak and easy to damage. If I could have a robot body with no drawbacks, I'd take it over meaty body anyday.
[QUOTE=edja007;29672435]Why? Meat is weak and easy to damage. If I could have a robot body with no drawbacks, I'd take it over meaty body anyday.[/QUOTE]
I'm a transhumanist, not a posthumanist, my meat is flawed, just like I'm flawed, just like humanity is flawed, the imperfections make us better in my opinion they add a certain character, a ceratin je ne se quios to the species, to remove those would be heart breaking.
Besides frankly I enjoy how having flesh feels.
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[QUOTE=acds;29672408]But it's probably what will happen. It's always like this, the rich are the ones that get to benefit the most. If you own a large corporation and you are important you'll probably have one before even the guy who invented it.
It's not fair, but that's how it goes usually.[/QUOTE]
Unless it is made public how it is done, just like bio hacking, and that's really what I hope happens.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29672397]I'll stick with my flawed meat body, additions and alterations are awesome, but I'd like to stay meaty.[/QUOTE]
Well don't come running to me when humanity is enslaved by the cyborg overlords.
Since when do imperfections make us better?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29672642]Well don't come running to me when humanity is enslaved by the cyborg overlords.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I didn't want to take part in the singularity, I'm up for just about any body mod they can come up with, the only place I'll stop is at mind uploading, I just want to stay meaty old me, I'd probably end up helping the skinsuit along with some genetic adaptations.
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[QUOTE=Eudoxia;29672676]Since when do imperfections make us better?[/QUOTE]
It's my flawed subjective view of it, i just don't want to see a perfect humanity because at that point we will have so little genetic variation it will be crippling, and besides the imperfections and idioms are fun, I like them, if everyone was perfect I'd leave the species.
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It's my flawed subjective view of it, i just don't want to see a perfect humanity because at that point we will have so little genetic variation it will be crippling, and besides the imperfections and idioms are fun, I like them, if everyone was perfect I'd leave the species.[/QUOTE]
So you like people with downs?
[QUOTE=edja007;29672731]So you like people with downs?[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between a minor personality quirk and being straight up retarded, fuck me I thought anyone could have percieved that but apparantly not.
Mind uploading is understandable since you pretty much die in the process.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29672761]Mind uploading is understandable since you pretty much die in the process.[/QUOTE]
It would be the same thing with teleportation for me, you die in the process and a perfect copy is made, but is your sense of qualia and your own personal consciousness transferred to a sort of "shell" or is it just a damn fine copy of you.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29672823]It would be the same thing with teleportation for me, you die in the process and a perfect copy is made, but is your sense of qualia and your own personal consciousness transferred to a sort of "shell" or is it just a damn fine copy of you.[/QUOTE]
If the teleportation actually moves your atoms and not just arrange new ones, it will be the same you. It's like dying but then getting reanimated by a defib.
Yeah but the most likely method would be pulling apart the body atom by atom catalouging the location of each and contructing a replica at the other end. If you're gonna move the atoms from one place to another you would be as well just leaving the person as a whole and to travel on their own.
So I will be able to like, talk to my grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand ........ x10 ..... grand children?
How freaking badass.
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It will make gene researching so much more efficient.
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[QUOTE=bravehat;29672823]It would be the same thing with teleportation for me, you die in the process and a perfect copy is made, but is your sense of qualia and your own personal consciousness transferred to a sort of "shell" or is it just a damn fine copy of you.[/QUOTE]
You'd have to go into the philosophical subject of what actually is a person, his soul and consciounce. There is probably no answer to it. So deep...
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Oh and you'd have to go into the subject of what teleportation actually is.
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God damnit this is mind-blowing... I'm leaving this thread.
I'm all for extending human lives, but immortality would stop mankind's progress completely in the long run.
Imagine if people born in the middle ages would be still alive and kicking, and would be prolly sitting in prominent positions. The world would be one fucked up place. Any sort of progression of mankind is based on new generations' new ideas, and that eventually everyone who opposes new ideas dies out.
Uploading one's mind to a computer is impossible, from where I see it (a silicon based one anyway). A machine simply cannot be conscious. [I]That's why its a machine[/I]. The mind is simply so complex that the only way anything could be "uploaded" would be if one were to write a program that mimics that person's actions - but actual uploading? I don't think so.
Also, why should one be afraid of death? In my experience, fear of death actually comes from the fear of losing one's ability to do anything - to exist, even. You only lose your ability to do anything after you die. But take that from the other way around - as long as you're aware, you [I]can[/I] do something.
Thus if you're dead, you're never aware that you're dead. So for all intents and purposes, in terms of yourself, you're [B]always alive[/B].
Emergent phenomena dude, all we are is machines, just carbon based ones.
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